The Justice System (14)

Jun 12, 2013 3:29 AM CST The Justice System
Needs an overhaul .. convicted rapists out on parole only to strike again.

If someone gets ten years for a crime, for instance, why are they out in six dunno

Thoughts confused
Jun 12, 2013 3:31 AM CST The Justice System
bjsss
bjsssbjsssMelbourne, Victoria Australia5 Threads 3,536 Posts
serene56: Needs an overhaul .. convicted rapists out on parole only to strike again.

If someone gets ten years for a crime, for instance, why are they out in six

Thoughts


I agree do the crime do the time given.
Jun 12, 2013 3:34 AM CST The Justice System
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
bjsss: I agree do the crime do the time given.


and update the sentencing to suit the crime.

It stinks that the criminal can plead guilty to get a lighter sentence, even worse that when someone is out on parole and reoffends he is left on the streets. To killvery mad
Jun 12, 2013 4:19 AM CST The Justice System
Newlife08
Newlife08Newlife08On the coast, Queensland Australia165 Threads 2,715 Posts
serene56: Do you think that this type of behavior is inherent in these people?

Like p*dophile, in that they can't be cured?


No! I don't think it is! Don't give them another excuse. very mad

@ Prowler - what's rule 303???
Jun 12, 2013 4:21 AM CST The Justice System
Newlife08: No! I don't think it is! Don't give them another excuse.

@ Prowler - what's rule 303???




I'm thinking as in shotgun ..
Jun 12, 2013 4:24 AM CST The Justice System
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
Newlife08: No! I don't think it is! Don't give them another excuse.

@ Prowler - what's rule 303???


I agree, everyone has a choice, they have control of their actions. They can chose to or not too. Too many use excuses as an out, as a justification

303 is a type of rifle Newygrin
Jun 12, 2013 4:25 AM CST The Justice System
Halv0
Halv0Halv0Marcoola, Queensland Australia19 Threads 766 Posts
serene56: Needs an overhaul .. convicted rapists out on parole only to strike again.

If someone gets ten years for a crime, for instance, why are they out in six

Thoughts


Some will probably not agree with me on this, but people who do this stuff often were never disciplined for anti-social behaviour when they were kids.

I remember listening to a conversation between two 16 years olds on the train. One was saying how he was lamenting turning 17 because now (as a 16 year old) he could do whatever he wanted without consequence, but when he turned 17, he could go to jail.

If that is how our youth view things, then when do they learn to respect others, and consequences for actions? These things need to start when a person is a young child, not when they are an adult and many behaviours have become set in the heart.

Jail does not change a heart that has been calloused by a lifetime without self discipline and consequence for actions.

Bring back the cane in schools I say....
Jun 12, 2013 4:27 AM CST The Justice System
Newlife08
Newlife08Newlife08On the coast, Queensland Australia165 Threads 2,715 Posts
I agree, everyone has a choice, they have control of their actions. They can chose to or not too. Too many use excuses as an out, as a justification

303 is a type of rifle Newy[/quote]

Thanks Jem - never too old to learn thumbs up
Jun 12, 2013 4:28 AM CST The Justice System
jem1964: I agree, everyone has a choice, they have control of their actions. They can chose to or not too. Too many use excuses as an out, as a justification

303 is a type of rifle Newy



So you don't feel that rapists are sociopaths jem confused


Not suggesting we give them an out in that 'they can't help it' but is it not possible that this behavior is inbuilt and will be repeated over and over?
Jun 12, 2013 4:41 AM CST The Justice System
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
serene56: So you don't feel that rapists are sociopaths jem Not suggesting we give them an out in that 'they can't help it' but is it not possible that this behavior is inbuilt and will be repeated over and over?


sociopaths still have the choice in their actions. They can choose to do the wrong thing, or they can walk away.

Very few people dont know right from wrong.

I personally know a peodophile. I know the way they were brought up. They were taught right from wrong. I know the life history of theirs. But taking all of that into consideration it was their choice to take the actions they did, they new it was wrong and they repeated the actions more than once. In fact when in conversation they were very angry towards p*dophile. And believe it or not, they pleaded guilty with the explanation that "So the girls didnt have to face the court, I didnt do it. I am innocent" What is even sicker is there are some that believe the BS that comes from the p*dophile mouth even now. very mad

And I understand reaction from anger, I have experienced "seeing red" in my past, an all consuming rage, more than once. But even then I still had the choice in my reactions. (and I didnt punch the door jam in front of me!)
Jun 12, 2013 5:58 AM CST The Justice System
curly28
curly28curly28Perth, Western Australia Australia53 Threads 5,450 Posts
asha69: hear hear vote curly for president


AHEM! thank you very much if voted president of the Knackery society I will do my bleedin best to eliminate these dirty rotton scoundrels I say off with their balls er I meant private parts keeping it clean sir bobby Inspector Curly bowing at your service australia I do mean serious business thumbs up
Jun 12, 2013 6:04 AM CST The Justice System
asha69
asha69asha69perth, Western Australia Australia76 Threads 1 Polls 1,799 Posts
curly28: AHEM! thank you very much if voted president of the Knackery society I will do my bleedin best to eliminate these dirty rotton scoundrels I say off with their balls er I meant private parts keeping it clean Inspector Curly at your service I do mean serious business



ok miss president knackery inspectorsir bobby bowing and what about sentencing?

shall you give them life without balls bail?

should get everyone to vote you in.bouquet
Jun 12, 2013 7:47 PM CST The Justice System
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
serene56: Do you think that this type of behavior is inherent in these people?

Like p*dophile, in that they can't be cured?


Some behaviours are inherent.

I have known people who have done time for stealing cars or break and enter. They did the crime because they thought they could get away with it, and they did for a while. Being in gaol made them change for the better.

But it doesn't work for some. Best example is a character named Darcy Dugan who spent more than half of his life in gaol. Within weeks of getting out when he was in his 60s (they were feeling sorrow for him), he was involved in an armed robbery. Some never change.

People who do a crime need to pay the price. Prisons are so soft now with prisoners having "rights" while their victims continue to suffer. Prisoners even have the right to vote these days.

They get free accommodation, 3 decent meals a day, clean linen and clothing, have tv, computer access for some, access to education, free medical with no waiting list for surgery, free counselling, a gym to get fit, and some even go out to work and get paid.
Jun 13, 2013 2:06 PM CST The Justice System
Kristia49
Kristia49Kristia49toowoomba, Queensland Australia31 Threads 2,039 Posts
Halv0: Some will probably not agree with me on this, but people who do this stuff often were never disciplined for anti-social behaviour when they were kids.

I remember listening to a conversation between two 16 years olds on the train. One was saying how he was lamenting turning 17 because now (as a 16 year old) he could do whatever he wanted without consequence, but when he turned 17, he could go to jail.

If that is how our youth view things, then when do they learn to respect others, and consequences for actions? These things need to start when a person is a young child, not when they are an adult and many behaviours have become set in the heart.

Jail does not change a heart that has been calloused by a lifetime without self discipline and consequence for actions.

Bring back the cane in schools I say....

Yes, I agree but also the groups kids get into. I know someone with a boy the same age as mine, they used to play soccer together. Good family but the boy got with a group of kids. He started smoking pot, turned up to school with it. Ended up burning a house down. Some Kids can be easily influenced by others, thinking it a bit of fun. I feel for this family as they didn't bring him up that way. I am just so lucky my kids are switched on. And i'm a single mother of a 14 and 16 yr olds. So that shows it isn't totally to do with both parents being there either. One think i made sure of with my kids was i was home when they got home from school.
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