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wash2u: I have just finished reading a book by Alexandra David-Neel called "My Journey to Lhapsa" written in 1927 about her visit to the Forbidden City in 1924/5. She had met the Daila Lama of the time a couple of times in India when he was in exile around the beginning of the 20th Century.
She spent many years studying Buddhism and was very well recognised for the learning she had under many lamas, and encouraged by the Daila Lama to continue her studies to the point where she was well regarded by Tibetan, Mongolian, Turkistan and Chinese Buddhists as a erati lama of no small repute.
The book indicates that the Daila Lama was not very popular with Thibetans after the revolt of Chinese suzieranship and the harsh taxes he imposed for the British support of his "reign." And the way he deposed opposition to his rule. Especially the Panchen lama.
She spent many years studying Buddhism and was very well recognised for the learning she had under many lamas, and encouraged by the Daila Lama to continue her studies to the point where she was well regarded by Tibetan, Mongolian, Turkistan and Chinese Buddhists as a erati lama of no small repute.
The book indicates that the Daila Lama was not very popular with Thibetans after the revolt of Chinese suzieranship and the harsh taxes he imposed for the British support of his "reign." And the way he deposed opposition to his rule. Especially the Panchen lama.
Well this is interesting wash
Considering that the Dalai Lama was considered not only as a Godhead but also a political figure, it is no small wonder that his views and practices did not always sit well with the populace.
Sounds like this book would be well worth a read to get more insight into this complex and incredibly intriguing landscape
Has anyone ever read the Tibetan book of the dead? Im curious if it can be purchased at all. I have read a lot of stuff about it but I would love to get the book.
AgentAjax: Has anyone ever read the Tibetan book of the dead? Im curious if it can be purchased at all. I have read a lot of stuff about it but I would love to get the book.
Nope, never read it. But I did read "My seven years in Tibet" by some German dude.
And "My ten years in a quandary", by Benchley
AgentAjax: Has anyone ever read the Tibetan book of the dead? Im curious if it can be purchased at all. I have read a lot of stuff about it but I would love to get the book.
I use Booktopia for anything booky these days AA
If you sign up, they email you with specials and free delivery deals
AgentAjax: Has anyone ever read the Tibetan book of the dead? Im curious if it can be purchased at all. I have read a lot of stuff about it but I would love to get the book.
Here's a link to a pdf, will that do?
Obscuritan: Nope, never read it. But I did read "My seven years in Tibet" by some German dude.
And "My ten years in a quandary", by Benchley
And "My ten years in a quandary", by Benchley
Robert Benchley also wrote "Life in a Putty Knife Factory." Hilarious stories.
Obscuritan: Here's a link to a pdf, will that do?
Nope, sorry, too little too late
serene56: I use Booktopia for anything booky these days AA If you sign up, they email you with specials and free delivery deals
Obscuritan: Here's a link to a pdf, will that do?
thanks guys
Because Egyptian book of the dead is written for the individual, it is a personalised thing I figured Tibetan book of the dead wouldn’t exist either. Had a quick look at the PDF it seems the Egyptians and the Tibetan had the same idea.
The Tibetans believe in the reincarnation. To know what your previous life was like you need to have a look at your life now. To know what your next life will be like it depends on the one you are having now. According to the book of the dead Karma is misunderstood by the west, the Karma is restored in your next life.
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Four outline of Karma
Four outline of Karma
positive activities have positive outcomes
negative activities have negative outcomes
like you plant an apple seed, an apple tree grows not something else
all our experience arises from the seeds that we sowed in pst time, the negative experiences arose from the seeds that ripened when the right conditions arrived, like the apple seed, if the conditions for its germination, soil, moisture and sunlight it sprouts and grows into apple tree.
the karma word (being a loose english word attempts to describe interdependent arising, cause and effect, impermanence, etc) is explained in the four noble truths:
Good deeds with good motivation sows the seeds of good karmas, an example the monks in the Hinayana Tradition accept food offerings from lay people, for monk humility, for lay people positive karma with its certain interdependent arisings, driven by cause and effect, future karma to have food.
negative activities have negative outcomes
like you plant an apple seed, an apple tree grows not something else
all our experience arises from the seeds that we sowed in pst time, the negative experiences arose from the seeds that ripened when the right conditions arrived, like the apple seed, if the conditions for its germination, soil, moisture and sunlight it sprouts and grows into apple tree.
the karma word (being a loose english word attempts to describe interdependent arising, cause and effect, impermanence, etc) is explained in the four noble truths:
Good deeds with good motivation sows the seeds of good karmas, an example the monks in the Hinayana Tradition accept food offerings from lay people, for monk humility, for lay people positive karma with its certain interdependent arisings, driven by cause and effect, future karma to have food.
robplum: positive activities have positive outcomes
negative activities have negative outcomes
like you plant an apple seed, an apple tree grows not something else
all our experience arises from the seeds that we sowed in pst time, the negative experiences arose from the seeds that ripened when the right conditions arrived, like the apple seed, if the conditions for its germination, soil, moisture and sunlight it sprouts and grows into apple tree.
the karma word (being a loose english word attempts to describe interdependent arising, cause and effect, impermanence, etc) is explained in the four noble truths:
Good deeds with good motivation sows the seeds of good karmas, an example the monks in the Hinayana Tradition accept food offerings from lay people, for monk humility, for lay people positive karma with its certain interdependent arisings, driven by cause and effect, future karma to have food.
negative activities have negative outcomes
like you plant an apple seed, an apple tree grows not something else
all our experience arises from the seeds that we sowed in pst time, the negative experiences arose from the seeds that ripened when the right conditions arrived, like the apple seed, if the conditions for its germination, soil, moisture and sunlight it sprouts and grows into apple tree.
the karma word (being a loose english word attempts to describe interdependent arising, cause and effect, impermanence, etc) is explained in the four noble truths:
Good deeds with good motivation sows the seeds of good karmas, an example the monks in the Hinayana Tradition accept food offerings from lay people, for monk humility, for lay people positive karma with its certain interdependent arisings, driven by cause and effect, future karma to have food.
There seems to be a slight variation in both Buddhist beliefs. Tibetans do not believe in karma in this life but it will be restored in the next. I don’t believe in karma at all as it is illogical perception of things to come.
AgentAjax: There seems to be a slight variation in both Buddhist beliefs. Tibetans do not believe in karma in this life but it will be restored in the next. I don’t believe in karma at all as it is illogical perception of things to come.
its up to you what you choose to believe, but i'd disagree with your view that "Tibetans do not believe in karma in this life but will be restored in the next"!
To my mind that's a nonsense AA. Maybe if checked explanations given by qualified guides you might find that Dharma Debates are actually based on logic and reason not inflated egos.
There are four outlines of karma: karma is expandable, karma will definitely bring its result if it is not destroyed, we cannot experience the result of karma that we have not created, and the karma that we have created never gets lost.
robplum: positive activities have positive outcomes
negative activities have negative outcomes
like you plant an apple seed, an apple tree grows not something else
all our experience arises from the seeds that we sowed in pst time, the negative experiences arose from the seeds that ripened when the right conditions arrived, like the apple seed, if the conditions for its germination, soil, moisture and sunlight it sprouts and grows into apple tree.
the karma word (being a loose english word attempts to describe interdependent arising, cause and effect, impermanence, etc) is explained in the four noble truths:
Good deeds with good motivation sows the seeds of good karmas, an example the monks in the Hinayana Tradition accept food offerings from lay people, for monk humility, for lay people positive karma with its certain interdependent arisings, driven by cause and effect, future karma to have food.
negative activities have negative outcomes
like you plant an apple seed, an apple tree grows not something else
all our experience arises from the seeds that we sowed in pst time, the negative experiences arose from the seeds that ripened when the right conditions arrived, like the apple seed, if the conditions for its germination, soil, moisture and sunlight it sprouts and grows into apple tree.
the karma word (being a loose english word attempts to describe interdependent arising, cause and effect, impermanence, etc) is explained in the four noble truths:
Good deeds with good motivation sows the seeds of good karmas, an example the monks in the Hinayana Tradition accept food offerings from lay people, for monk humility, for lay people positive karma with its certain interdependent arisings, driven by cause and effect, future karma to have food.
Karma: n fate, destiny............defintion in my English dictionary.
kárman—"act, action, performance"—a neuter n-stem, nominative kárma ?????; from the root vk? which means "to do, make, perform, accomplish, cause, effect, prepare, undertake" From Internet.
We all "know" words and have our own understanding of them. Many words in the English dictionary have been taken from other languages. While a word may be written or spoken in non-English languages and appear to be similar, it has frequently been taken to mean the same thing in all languages where there are minor differences differences.
Karma (Sanskrit: ????]);Pali: kamma) in Indian religions is the concept of "action" or "deed", understood as that which causes the entire cycle of cause and effect (i.e., the cycle called sa?sara). Originating in ancient India, Karma is part of Hindu, Jain, Buddhist and Sikh philosophies. Interesting reading on their differences.
Falun Gong differs from Buddhism in its definition of the term "karma," in that it is taken not as a process of award and punishment, but as an exclusively negative term. The Chinese term "de" or "virtue" is reserved for what might otherwise be termed "good karma" in Buddhism. Karma is understood as the source of all suffering - what Buddhism might refer to as "bad Karma". Li says "A person has done bad things over his many lifetimes, and for people this results in misfortune, or for cultivators it's karmic obstacles, so there's birth, aging, sickness, and death. This is ordinary karma."
Many Western cultures have notions similar to karma, as demonstrated in the phrase what goes around comes around. Christian expressions similar to karma include reap what one sows (Galatians 6:7), violence begets violence and live by the sword, die by the sword. Generally, Western popular culture portrays karma as more of a supranatural mystical force than a perspective on causality. This is more similar to Hinduism's concept of karma than Buddhism's.
The idea of karma was popularized in the Western world through the work of the Theosophical Society. In this conception, karma was a precursor to the Neopagan law of return or Threefold Law, the idea that the beneficial or harmful effects one has on the world will return to oneself. Colloquially this may be summed up as 'what goes around comes around.'
Many apologies for the very long post but I did find it interesting reading, especially so soon after reading Alexandra David-Neel's book.
Yes in relation to meaning, Mahayana view clearly differs from many other interpretations, for that reason for correct translation of the Mahayana philosophy qualified guides are usually quite precise in explaining what is meant. Heard a teacher explain his answer to a question for over an hour, the question asker had forgotten his question by the time Lama had explained, which cracked everyone up...some times its necessary to convey the correct subject for observation.
robplum: Yes in relation to meaning, Mahayana view clearly differs from many other interpretations, for that reason for correct translation of the Mahayana philosophy qualified guides are usually quite precise in explaining what is meant. Heard a teacher explain his answer to a question for over an hour, the question asker had forgotten his question by the time Lama had explained, which cracked everyone up...some times its necessary to convey the correct subject for observation.
I was brought up in a Christian atmosphere but was the only one to have read the Bible and partaken in the Christian church other than weddings, christenings and funerals in the immediate family.
Going through my questioning period (might have been something to do with attending the Baptist Church), I have looked (often briefly) at other philosophies and religeous beliefs. There are many similarities when you get down to the hard tacks of them.
Because I questioned what I had been taught from a very early age (mainly because people usually said "Because it is the Bible"), I tended to read a bit more and saw that many Eastern philosophies and religeous beliefs provide more detailed meanings.
I do know that a lot of people have written indepth things about the Bible (Tapsell on Catholocism after he had to convert from a Protestant to marry his true love) and witnessed family and friends having to convert (aunt had to become a Catholic while sister-in-law became a Presbyterian as her Hindu upbringing meant she took her husband's religion - he isn't religeous).
I have very little respect for organised profit-making religions. I have my own beliefs based on what I have learnt and tried to understand over my years.
I describe myself as being "agnostic." What comes most to my mind is the lines from a song "I know there is no Heaven, but I pray there is no Hell."
I do respect those that do have close ties to a philosophy or religeous belief. They are right in believing.
wash2u:
I do respect those that do have close ties to a philosophy or religious belief. They are right in believing.
I do respect those that do have close ties to a philosophy or religious belief. They are right in believing.
I was brought up in a family that identified with Christianity too Wash but never practiced it or went to church except for weddings, funerals and christenings. I was sent to Sunday school for a few years when very young. My most conscious education about Christianity would probably been at school and perhaps through tv movies about Jesus etc.
I thought I should read the bible once but couldn't get past the first few pages.
Each to their own. I do think the 10 commandments such as not killing, stealing etc and treating others how you want to be treated has some relevance.
I don't think we need to go into a building or identify with a religion to be good people and what we want to believe about what happens beyond death is a personal thing. I do get annoyed at ppl who try to convert others.
I remember being enlightened somewhat at Uni when we examined the transition in Europe in the middle ages from paganism to Christianity and how many monstrosities were committed against women who were the holders of healing knowledge and continued to practice pagan ceremonies. These women were killed and tortured, burnt at the stake and discredited at witches who were evil and to be feared.
The motivation for this was to give power to the church and strike fear into the common people, these people were then exploited and held in dept to the church for the salvation of their souls and entry into heaven, while avoiding an eternity in hell.
Pretty despicable really
This is merely my interpretation. I feel as you do Wash. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and should be respected for their choice, as long as they show the same respect to others who may hold a differing view to their own.
Religion.......always a touchy subject
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She spent many years studying Buddhism and was very well recognised for the learning she had under many lamas, and encouraged by the Daila Lama to continue her studies to the point where she was well regarded by Tibetan, Mongolian, Turkistan and Chinese Buddhists as a erati lama of no small repute.
The book indicates that the Daila Lama was not very popular with Thibetans after the revolt of Chinese suzieranship and the harsh taxes he imposed for the British support of his "reign." And the way he deposed opposition to his rule. Especially the Panchen lama.