Shark attacks (73)

Feb 25, 2014 9:20 PM CST Shark attacks
Whiteisfresh
WhiteisfreshWhiteisfresheast coast, New South Wales Australia20 Posts
Google extict species if you want an eye opener, and the world goes round. Re colours that was put to the test also, no evidence that sharks could give a hoot on that. One diver wore a clown suit and was still considered food. From my point of view and ive always been an animal lover and a compassionate person, if i have to kill something because its obviously dying a slow painfull death i do it quickly i hate to see anything suffer.Please tell me what does a shark do other than kill, its an eating machine to my mind a killer robot nothing else it cant be tamed its only has one purpose.
Feb 25, 2014 9:38 PM CST Shark attacks
diggadavo
diggadavodiggadavoHexham, Victoria Australia355 Posts
Whiteisfresh: Please tell me what does a shark do other than kill, its an eating machine to my mind a killer robot nothing else it cant be tamed its only has one purpose.


That maybe so but that would also be indicative to all wild carnivores and include some herbivores for example the hippopotamus. To kill a multitude of a particular species due to a small percentage of "rogues" to me is ludicrous.

The human race has killers, mass murderers and worse. Does that mean we wipe out the entire population? I know that's an extreme but I feel it's still applicable to a degree.

On a lighter not could you imagine if cows, sheep, pigs and poultry went on an anti human rampage to wipe us out for what we do to them?
Feb 25, 2014 9:54 PM CST Shark attacks
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
diggadavo: That maybe so but that would also be indicative to all wild carnivores and include some herbivores for example the hippopotamus. To kill a multitude of a particular species due to a small percentage of "rogues" to me is ludicrous.

The human race has killers, mass murderers and worse. Does that mean we wipe out the entire population? I know that's an extreme but I feel it's still applicable to a degree.

On a lighter not could you imagine if cows, sheep, pigs and poultry went on an anti human rampage to wipe us out for what we do to them?


wave

While I agree with the essence of your reply, the comparison of the value and behavior of a natural predatory species in the wild and that of deviant human beings is a little off-target conversing

Sharks are at the top of the marine food chain and play a role in keeping that world in healthy balance.

To remove or interfere with a naturally-occurring species from an ecosystem could have disastrous results conversing
Feb 25, 2014 10:15 PM CST Shark attacks
Whiteisfresh
WhiteisfreshWhiteisfresheast coast, New South Wales Australia20 Posts
diggadavo: That maybe so but that would also be indicative to all wild carnivores and include some herbivores for example the hippopotamus. To kill a multitude of a particular species due to a small percentage of "rogues" to me is ludicrous.

The human race has killers, mass murderers and worse. Does that mean we wipe out the entire population? I know that's an extreme but I feel it's still applicable to a degree.

On a lighter not could you imagine if cows, sheep, pigs and poultry went on an anti human rampage to wipe us out for what we do to them?
Feb 25, 2014 10:27 PM CST Shark attacks
Whiteisfresh
WhiteisfreshWhiteisfresheast coast, New South Wales Australia20 Posts
Diggadavo:(1) Please go to you/tube and find some footage on Hippos there one of the most disgusting creatures on the planet. Do you know when they challenge an old bull for its territory, after they defeat him they then chew his tail off and r--t him up the back passage and leave him to die, this is true check it.
(2)The entire human race is not like that thankfully and those that
are are dealt with!
(3)Yes if that happens im turning vegetarian over night and hoping for understanding.rolling on the floor laughing
Feb 25, 2014 10:42 PM CST Shark attacks
diggadavo
diggadavodiggadavoHexham, Victoria Australia355 Posts
Whiteisfresh: Diggadavo:
(2)The entire human race is not like that thankfully


Neither is the entire shark population. I was merely making an analogy!
rooster
It's all about bad apples and rotten eggs.

I've seen documentaries on hippos and yes they aren't the friendliest creatures going that's for sure.

I'd still like to see farm animals running rampant, could just imagine being stalked by an AK-47 silky bantam
Feb 25, 2014 10:44 PM CST Shark attacks
diggadavo
diggadavodiggadavoHexham, Victoria Australia355 Posts
This should have read: "I'd still like to see farm animals running rampant, could just imagine being stalked by an AK-47 wielding silky bantam"doh
Feb 26, 2014 1:33 AM CST Shark attacks
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
diggadavo: That maybe so but that would also be indicative to all wild carnivores and include some herbivores for example the hippopotamus. To kill a multitude of a particular species due to a small percentage of "rogues" to me is ludicrous.

The human race has killers, mass murderers and worse. Does that mean we wipe out the entire population? I know that's an extreme but I feel it's still applicable to a degree.

On a lighter not could you imagine if cows, sheep, pigs and poultry went on an anti human rampage to wipe us out for what we do to them?


There are many "rogue" species around, including humans. Elephants have very few natural predators but when they are are sick or dying, there are many predators lurking. Elephants have been known to kill humans but they do not eat them. They have a survival instinct as humans do tend to kill them. And when attacked enough times, will try to "kill before being killed."

Sharks are a feeding machine and look to finding a food source. A chunk out of a seal or a similar thing in the water does not make a difference to them. One thing I did learn about diving was that it is safer to be below the sharks. Trouble is that I was just a snorkeler and could only hold my breath for so long.
Feb 26, 2014 3:43 AM CST Shark attacks
diggadavo
diggadavodiggadavoHexham, Victoria Australia355 Posts
wash2u: There are many "rogue" species around, including humans. Elephants have very few natural predators but when they are are sick or dying, there are many predators lurking. Elephants have been known to kill humans but they do not eat them. They have a survival instinct as humans do tend to kill them. And when attacked enough times, will try to "kill before being killed."

Sharks are a feeding machine and look to finding a food source. A chunk out of a seal or a similar thing in the water does not make a difference to them. One thing I did learn about diving was that it is safer to be below the sharks. Trouble is that I was just a snorkeler and could only hold my breath for so long.


I don't dispute that but by the same token name an aquatic animal that isn't a killing machine of sorts unless it's vegetarian.

Elephants are herbivorous and don't really qualify even though I did use hippos as an example
Feb 26, 2014 4:05 AM CST Shark attacks
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
serene56: While I agree with the essence of your reply, the comparison of the value and behavior of a natural predatory species in the wild and that of deviant human beings is a little off-target

Sharks are at the top of the marine food chain and play a role in keeping that world in healthy balance.

To remove or interfere with a naturally-occurring species from an ecosystem could have disastrous results
that is simply not true. 98% of all species that ever lived on this planet have been wiped out through natural causes and you are telling us the 2% of species left are making some major impact on the environment? When one specie disappears, nature will balance itself out like it has been over millions of years.
Feb 26, 2014 4:37 AM CST Shark attacks
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
AgentAjax: that is simply not true. 98% of all species that ever lived on this planet have been wiped out through natural causes and you are telling us the 2% of species left are making some major impact on the environment? When one specie disappears, nature will balance itself out like it has been over millions of years.


Yellowstone is a working example of what happened when the wolves were eradicated from the park in 1920's. The wolves were reintroduced about 12 years ago and the ecosystem is starting to regenerate.



Remove the top of the food chain and it upsets the balance. Yep the world moves on without them, but changed
Feb 26, 2014 6:14 AM CST Shark attacks
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
jem1964: Yellowstone is a working example of what happened when the wolves were eradicated from the park in 1920's. The wolves were reintroduced about 12 years ago and the ecosystem is starting to regenerate.



Remove the top of the food chain and it upsets the balance. Yep the world moves on without them, but changed
Hi Jem wave Definitely short term it's a change, long term it's adaptation. Is it a good thing or a bad thing? Past seems to tell us when one specie disappears another evolves more resilient and smarter.I personally don't believe in wiping out a specie for the sake of it and nothing says controlling our shore from few predators will do that.
Feb 26, 2014 11:59 PM CST Shark attacks
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
jem1964: Yellowstone is a working example of what happened when the wolves were eradicated from the park in 1920's. The wolves were reintroduced about 12 years ago and the ecosystem is starting to regenerate.



Remove the top of the food chain and it upsets the balance. Yep the world moves on without them, but changed


Olympic Dam is an uranium mine with all of its toxic waste,etc. They employed an Environmentalist to do some work there (he hated having to tell people where he worked). He did lots of studies, especially with frogs as they are very susceptable to environmental changes. Frogs have about 50% mutation rate in the natural environment and the mutants usually die fairly quick. In the mine tailing dam (said to be toxic), he found the mutation rate much less than 25%. Can't find exact figure as I loaned my book to an Environmental student many years ago and she never returned it.

He also obtained money from the mine operators to set up an enclosed area 1km square to excluded cats, dogs, foxes and rabbits to determine what would happen if these pests were excluded. Native vegetation reappeared as did a lot of animals & reptiles that have not been seen for many years in any decent numbers. The area has since been much extended.

I have heard that a tour of the mine is well worth doing (I will do it one day) and the "Exclusion Zone" is a short drive north. The day I was there it was blowing a gale and raining. Next time, I hope I can see both.
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