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ElleyCadiz, Andalusia Spain131 Threads 1 Polls 2,808 PostsDespite my past support for Western military presence in Iraq and the Stan,right at this moment I am watching M.Moor,s 9/11 Farenhiet and retract all previous support. We should never have gone and we should not be there now. Also we need to apologise to Iraqi people and make recompense and get out now. Watch the film to see why.
Elley: Despite my past support for Western military presence in Iraq and the Stan,right at this moment I am watching M.Moor,s 9/11 Farenhiet and retract all previous support. We should never have gone and we should not be there now. Also we need to apologise to Iraqi people and make recompense and get out now. Watch the film to see why.
Elley, if you think that M. Moor's films are unbiased and give the 'true' facts, I'm sorry, but you're being naive in this case.
Sure, he has some points which are correct, but his opposition to the Reupblicans is well known, and so he's hardly the best person to give an unbiased view of the situation.
The reasons for those wars are much more complex than 'good vs evil', there's a lot of power politics behind the scenes.
As far as Iraq, the main reason was trying to control the oil fields by the West, but the situation has been so mishandled that if we pull out, Iran will take over Iraq (60% of Iraq is Shia muslim, just like 99% of Iran). Personally, seeing Iran with all that power at its disposal sends a scary shiver.
Afghanistan was housing Al Qaeida who did plot 9/11, it was an act of aggression and the US could not but strike back. Apart from that there are economic reasons why the West can't pull back from there either.
If Afghanistan is pacified, gas pipes from Pakistan can be built across Stan and then all the way into Europe, bypassing the needs of the oil pipes that run through Russia, and which Putin decides to close whenever he wishes to hold Europe at ransom and hitch up the prices.
wulfen: The reasons for those wars are much more complex than 'good vs evil', there's a lot of power politics behind the scenes.
The reason for the wars in Iraq and in 'Stan was more to do with the bilnd leading the blind..
wulfen: As far as Iraq, the main reason was trying to control the oil fields by the West, but the situation has been so mishandled that if we pull out, Iran will take over Iraq (60% of Iraq is Shia muslim, just like 99% of Iran). Personally, seeing Iran with all that power at its disposal sends a scary shiver.
Why did Bush, Blair and the rest of the possey invade in the first place?? There was no reason for it. Apart from finishing of Daddy's unfinished buisness. I agree if the west pull out now, Iran will move right in...
wulfen: Afghanistan was housing Al Qaeida who did plot 9/11, it was an act of aggression and the US could not but strike back. Apart from that there are economic reasons why the West can't pull back from there either.
The reason why the waest wont pull out of 'Stan 100% is simple. It gives them a closer eye on North Korea. And how many 'Stanny's have been found guilty of the attack's on 9/11...Now how many Saudi's have???
wulfen: If Afghanistan is pacified, gas pipes from Pakistan can be built across Stan and then all the way into Europe, bypassing the needs of the oil pipes that run through Russia, and which Putin decides to close whenever he wishes to hold Europe at ransom and hitch up the prices.
I'm with you on that...But it wont happen..the 'Stanny's and the Paki's arent exactly kissen' cousin's.
Elley, youtube 'loose change'
wulfen: Elley, if you think that M. Moor's films are unbiased and give the 'true' facts, I'm sorry, but you're being naive in this case.
Sure, he has some points which are correct, but his opposition to the Reupblicans is well known, and so he's hardly the best person to give an unbiased view of the situation.
The reasons for those wars are much more complex than 'good vs evil', there's a lot of power politics behind the scenes.
As far as Iraq, the main reason was trying to control the oil fields by the West, but the situation has been so mishandled that if we pull out, Iran will take over Iraq (60% of Iraq is Shia muslim, just like 99% of Iran). Personally, seeing Iran with all that power at its disposal sends a scary shiver.
Afghanistan was housing Al Qaeida who did plot 9/11, it was an act of aggression and the US could not but strike back. Apart from that there are economic reasons why the West can't pull back from there either.
If Afghanistan is pacified, gas pipes from Pakistan can be built across Stan and then all the way into Europe, bypassing the needs of the oil pipes that run through Russia, and which Putin decides to close whenever he wishes to hold Europe at ransom and hitch up the prices.
Sure, he has some points which are correct, but his opposition to the Reupblicans is well known, and so he's hardly the best person to give an unbiased view of the situation.
The reasons for those wars are much more complex than 'good vs evil', there's a lot of power politics behind the scenes.
As far as Iraq, the main reason was trying to control the oil fields by the West, but the situation has been so mishandled that if we pull out, Iran will take over Iraq (60% of Iraq is Shia muslim, just like 99% of Iran). Personally, seeing Iran with all that power at its disposal sends a scary shiver.
Afghanistan was housing Al Qaeida who did plot 9/11, it was an act of aggression and the US could not but strike back. Apart from that there are economic reasons why the West can't pull back from there either.
If Afghanistan is pacified, gas pipes from Pakistan can be built across Stan and then all the way into Europe, bypassing the needs of the oil pipes that run through Russia, and which Putin decides to close whenever he wishes to hold Europe at ransom and hitch up the prices.
Well I too found Michael Moore´s film more than enlightening when I watched it a couple of years ago, as I have continued to do with other docu-films of his.
If you dislike him or what he stands for, you are not alone, and I understand where you´re coming from, but in all honesty there has probably not been anything produced and filmed which does not contain some element of bias.
It´s really about what we hold and believe in our hearts at the end of the day isn´t it?
Come back Elley!
JAN_is: Well I too found Michael Moore´s film more than enlightening when I watched it a couple of years ago, as I have continued to do with other docu-films of his.
If you dislike him or what he stands for, you are not alone, and I understand where you´re coming from, but in all honesty there has probably not been anything produced and filmed which does not contain some element of bias.
It´s really about what we hold and believe in our hearts at the end of the day isn´t it?
Come back Elley!
If you dislike him or what he stands for, you are not alone, and I understand where you´re coming from, but in all honesty there has probably not been anything produced and filmed which does not contain some element of bias.
It´s really about what we hold and believe in our hearts at the end of the day isn´t it?
Come back Elley!
Yes I agree with what you say, all media is 'propaganda' and unbiased at the end of the day, it's only natural.
As regards M.Moore, he does have some valid points, but he's so openly anti-Republican that it ends up casting a veil on any of his works, even if you would find yourself agreeing with him. At least, that's the effect he has on me.
To give another, more light hearted example of how media can really go to extremes, it's a running joke here in Malta that the 2 newspapers toadying up to the 2 main political parties on the island, are reporting news that happens on different islands that are called Malta.
The reason for this is that if you read the opposition's newspaper, you'd think people starving in 3rd world countries are way better off than us, if you read the pro-government's paper, you'd think the USA is a 3rd world country compared to us!
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