LAWS vs. CITIZENS. (37)
Law needs to be understood to be what it is.
The law of the day, whatever that may be, is imposed by the ruling elite upon the rest of the population so that the rest of the population may be exploited more easily by the ruling elite.
Law is not inherently 'right' or 'wrong'. It is an instrument of social control that serves the agenda of the ruling elite, usually to the detriment of the rest of the population.
The law of the day, whatever that may be, is imposed by the ruling elite upon the rest of the population so that the rest of the population may be exploited more easily by the ruling elite.
Law is not inherently 'right' or 'wrong'. It is an instrument of social control that serves the agenda of the ruling elite, usually to the detriment of the rest of the population.
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The Limits of Law
It is clear that law has limits. It has practical or ‘means-end’ limits; what lawmakers try to do may misfire in many ways. More interestingly, though, does law have principled limits? The best known positive answer to this question is that given by John Stuart Mill. Mill's ‘harm principle’ is examined in this entry, together with the more recent defences of the principle by Joel Feinberg and Joseph Raz. Other influential proposals for principled limits to the law are also examined: for example, the suggestion that law must eschew certain kinds of otherwise valid moral reasons and that the law must be in some sense neutral. Finding principled limits to the law, it will be suggested, is an elusive task.
It is clear that law has limits. It has practical or ‘means-end’ limits; what lawmakers try to do may misfire in many ways. More interestingly, though, does law have principled limits? The best known positive answer to this question is that given by John Stuart Mill. Mill's ‘harm principle’ is examined in this entry, together with the more recent defences of the principle by Joel Feinberg and Joseph Raz. Other influential proposals for principled limits to the law are also examined: for example, the suggestion that law must eschew certain kinds of otherwise valid moral reasons and that the law must be in some sense neutral. Finding principled limits to the law, it will be suggested, is an elusive task.
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Bad laws make outlaws out of good people 
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Few good and strong laws with tough punishments for breaking them - an abundance of law does not create order - accompanied with strong external motivations/pressures/supports to prevent individuals from destructively and dysfunctionally deviating from the 'way'.
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Obstinance_Works: Few good and strong laws with tough punishments for breaking them - an abundance of law does not create order - accompanied with strong external motivations/pressures/supports to prevent individuals from destructively and dysfunctionally deviating from the 'way'.
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If you initiate some laws without enforcing them, they are useless.
No need to make laws like nations are made of children, but unfortunately, some nations are more unruly than others.
No need to make laws like nations are made of children, but unfortunately, some nations are more unruly than others.
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Delatude: If you initiate some laws without enforcing them, they are useless.
No need to make laws like nations are made of children, but unfortunately, some nations are more unruly than others.
No need to make laws like nations are made of children, but unfortunately, some nations are more unruly than others.
TRue, but some nations are unruly due to the lack of authority while other peoples are reluctant to the excess of authority, the invasion of private liberties by the State.
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GUZMAN1: TRue, but some nations are unruly due to the lack of authority while other peoples are reluctant to the excess of authority, the invasion of private liberties by the State.
Welcome to France Guz.
The politicians here enact laws and there is no one to enforce them. So the laws are ignored and new laws are made.
I don't think judges want to be bothered with petty infractions when they have dockets and prisons overloaded.
Fines, suspended sentences is the norm. The one committing the infractions know the system very well and it's not uncommon to see people arrested fourteen times roaming the streets and committing more serious crimes.
As they say here when a serious crime occurs, "they were known from the police".
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"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people
will find a way around the laws." - Plato quotes from BrainyQuote.com.
will find a way around the laws." - Plato quotes from BrainyQuote.com.
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Conrad73: "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people
will find a way around the laws." - Plato quotes from BrainyQuote.com.
will find a way around the laws." - Plato quotes from BrainyQuote.com.
Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced.Albert Einstein.
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GUZMAN1: Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced.
Albert Einstein.
Albert Einstein.
Absolutely
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As soon as laws are necessary for men, they are no longer fit for freedom.
Pythagoras.
Pythagoras.
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GUZMAN1: As soon as laws are necessary for men, they are no longer fit for freedom.
Pythagoras.
Pythagoras.
mmmm great,coz i like freedom
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GUZMAN1: As soon as laws are necessary for men, they are no longer fit for freedom.
Pythagoras.
Pythagoras.
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." - Thomas Jefferson
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"Be assured, fellow citizens, that in a democracy it is the laws that guard the person of the citizen and the constitution of the state, whereas the despot and the oligarch find their protection in suspicion and in armed guards".
Aeschines.
Aeschines.
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We need law order but we don,t need big brother!
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GUZMAN1: The Limits of Law
It is clear that law has limits. It has practical or ‘means-end’ limits; what lawmakers try to do may misfire in many ways. More interestingly, though, does law have principled limits? The best known positive answer to this question is that given by John Stuart Mill. Mill's ‘harm principle’ is examined in this entry, together with the more recent defences of the principle by Joel Feinberg and Joseph Raz. Other influential proposals for principled limits to the law are also examined: for example, the suggestion that law must eschew certain kinds of otherwise valid moral reasons and that the law must be in some sense neutral. Finding principled limits to the law, it will be suggested, is an elusive task.
cant,yell fire,in a crowded place,if no fire/fed.law jail time/usa,your right end,where others begin.It is clear that law has limits. It has practical or ‘means-end’ limits; what lawmakers try to do may misfire in many ways. More interestingly, though, does law have principled limits? The best known positive answer to this question is that given by John Stuart Mill. Mill's ‘harm principle’ is examined in this entry, together with the more recent defences of the principle by Joel Feinberg and Joseph Raz. Other influential proposals for principled limits to the law are also examined: for example, the suggestion that law must eschew certain kinds of otherwise valid moral reasons and that the law must be in some sense neutral. Finding principled limits to the law, it will be suggested, is an elusive task.
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how do we humans govern?
in earlier times there were more rules for moral conduct and the religions made these, and later as we became more secular there became laws and branches of government make and enforce these.
Most modern world we end up with both - religious and government imposed rules of conduct -
we humans are after all social creatures and therefore it is important to have rules of social order.
in earlier times there were more rules for moral conduct and the religions made these, and later as we became more secular there became laws and branches of government make and enforce these.
Most modern world we end up with both - religious and government imposed rules of conduct -
we humans are after all social creatures and therefore it is important to have rules of social order.
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JeanKimberley: how do we humans govern?
in earlier times there were more rules for moral conduct and the religions made these, and later as we became more secular there became laws and branches of government make and enforce these.
Most modern world we end up with both - religious and government imposed rules of conduct -
we humans are after all social creatures and therefore it is important to have rules of social order.
in earlier times there were more rules for moral conduct and the religions made these, and later as we became more secular there became laws and branches of government make and enforce these.
Most modern world we end up with both - religious and government imposed rules of conduct -
we humans are after all social creatures and therefore it is important to have rules of social order.
No doubt, but some laws sometimes are unuseful, or used beyond its original purposes.
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GUZMAN1: DO WE NEED TO BE CONTROLLED? DO WE NEED THE REST WOULD BE?
Laws mean organisation. The movie “lord of the fly’s” portrays really well on what happens when you remove laws even on a scale that small.------ This poll is Archived ------
AgentAjax: Laws mean organisation. The movie “lord of the fly’s” portrays really well on what happens when you remove laws even on a scale that small.
Laws not always mean organisation.
Both must go together, because laws worth nothing if there is nothing behind for enforce it.
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The law and justice are not always the same thing.
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GUZMAN1: DO WE NEED TO BE CONTROLLED? DO WE NEED THE REST WOULD BE?
they pass laws saying elected official are limited,to help their voters,bill of rights,etc.say reps.,etc.are there to settle govt. agencys disputes!too many lawyers in congress/business for them,they tell u get an atty.like sen.blunt,mo.draw their money to do nothing!its a joke.------ This poll is Archived ------
Kris Kristofferson-Law is for the protection of the People
The Law Is For Protection Of The People
Songwriters: K KRISTOFFERSON
Billy Dalton staggered on the sidewalk someone said he stumbled and he fell
Six squad cars came screamin' to the rescue hauled old Billy Dalton off to jail
Cause the law is for protection of the people rules're rules and any fool can see
We don't need no drunks like Billy Dalton scaring decent folks like you and me no siree
Homar Lee was nothing but a hippie walkin' through this world without a care
Then one day six scrapping brave policemen held down Homar Lee and cut his hair
Cause the law is for protection of the people rules're rules and any fool can see
We don't need no hairy headed hippies scaring decent folks like you and me no siree
Oh so thank your lucky stars we've got protection
Walk the line and never mind the cost
And no wonder who them lawmen were protecting
When they nailed the Saviour to the cross
Cause the law is for protection of the people rules're rules and any fool can see
We don't need no little speaking prophets
Scaring decent folks like you and me no siree
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In a democracy the poor will have more power than the rich, because there are more of them, and the will of the majority is supreme.
Aristotle.
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