Lance Armstrong; Your personal feelings are ( Archived) (41)

Lance Armsrtong is a cancer survivor . He went on to win the Tour de France an unparalled 7 times . Just surviving the cancer is enough to admire and then becoming not only a cycle racer but one of the all time greats is nothing short of spectacular .

The drug thing has hounded him for decades . Nothng was ever proven concluevly even after repeated atempts . I also can not belive that he was the only one doing this . Even so it is still a remarkable acheavment .

If you watch " Star Trek " they probably have a drug that instantly converts the average person into a superman but the reality of what they have today is way far short of that . You still have to have the drive and the dedication, and you have to put the work into it, and you can't quit when it gets too hard .You also have to dedicate your life to training and more training . Say what you will about him but you and I will never do what he has done no matter what drugs we take. He still is an amazing indavidual .

Why do you say "He's a victim of his own doing?" You're only a "victim" if you've been misled, used or abused in some way without your having any knowledge of it at the time but from what they're saying, if it is true, and they have proof he used performance enhancers, he may not be a victim. If they have no concrete proof about the former then he is a victim.

With the help of drugs....

Many people survive cancer Frank. I'm glad that he did survive and that his money has gone on to help others but....there's always a "but"....did he get that money by being a fraud..

Innocent people fight to their death.

Monte, Belive what you want to belive . In a perfect world none of this would have happened . The fact ( or suspected fact ) of his drug inhancement does not erace what he acomplished . If that where true then All Gore should have been president instead of G.W.Bush .

Just in case you are wondering, If Gore was president I doubt we would be in the mess we are now .

It does erace his accomplishments Frankie because he wouldn't have made those accomplisments WITHOUT the drugs.

Monte, I will say you are 100% right when the olyipic committie takes away all the medels that where won by the Soviet block's drug taking Athleats in the 40's and 50's and60's and70's and the 80's . Where do you think they found out about them and eventually how to avoid detection ?

It hasnt been conclusively proven that hes guilty of anything. Until such a time I believe in innocent until proven guilty. Anything else is a straight up witch hunt. In spite of all his achievements, they are literally hounding this man to death.

How can you prove something when the person refuses to go to trial?

There is a wealth of evidence againts him, evidence he did not want to become general knowledge so he decided not to fight the case. This way people like you think he is a victim.

The man is a cheat, always had been a cheat and he encouraged his team mates to cheat!

Sure,why not give it back to him, Carl Lewis tested positive for banned substances leading up to the 88 olympics and shouldn't even have being there,yet now he has that very medal,perhaps bens chemist should have got it for providing better drugs than carls chemist.

however Carl Lewis is a good comparision for this situation,good question would be should Carl Lewis be stripped of his medals from 1984 because he tested positive for banned substances in 1988? Doing so would be the equivelant of what's happening to lance Armstrong.

Also Given your very anti drug cheat stance it must pain you that the recent winner of the olympic road race was a former drug cheat,right? Funny how no ones screaming blue bloody murder over that.Why no life ban for him back in 2007 when testing positive at the tour de france?
An event interestingly enough that Lance Armstrong never actually tested positive at,despite being tested many,many,many times.

Tall poppy inspired witch hunt,regardless if he used drugs or not,that's all this is.

I think the first point is that as it stands,he's never failed a drug test,there's only ever being unsubstantiated allegations against him,and the USADA would want to have a mountain of evidence against him to justify the proposed sanctions he's facing.Guess we'll find out soon enough.

Now even if he's guilty as sin,I believe consistency should be the aim of authoritative bodies when dishing out sanctions,and given the plethora of cyclist that have tested positive for banned substances over the years,I'd suggest that what's been proposed as punishment for Lance Armstrong seems quite disproportionate when compared to the precedent that's been set via previous cases.In that respect I believe "others" are very relevant.

Well if we take that attitude we may as well legalise performance inhancing drugs in sport?

As for a witch hunt...if this was the case all he had to do was fight the charges. But he didn't. He knows the evidence they have againts him and he doesn't want that to see the light of day.

With this outcome you will still have a large amount of people believeing he is innocent or a victim of a witch hunt. If he actually fought the charges the world would see the evidence against him.

Well I was joking with the first part of the post there you know,I don't actually believe Ben's chemist should really get the medal,was hoping that was kind of obvious but anyway,having said that it wouldn't bother me in the least if performance enhancing drugs were allowed,of course I would probably be in the minority there,but wouldn't bother me personally.




The USADA have stated that they will release the evidence,there appears to be no reason why they can't,so whether he fights the allegations or not makes no difference in that respect,and if they've got the over whelming evidence they claim to have,and as you claim he knows it,then theres nothing to fight really,there still gonna sanction him so why waste time and money fighting it.