Darkbrownskins: Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities
My personal opinion is that most atheists reject the God of religion. That terrible ogre that has been shoved down the throat of humanity for 1000s of years.
I am non athiest, in accordance with your explanation. However, I respect another person's choice to not believe. It all boils down to what resonates most with every individual.
I believe the antonym of atheist is theist. You could also be more specific, and use words like monotheist or polytheist.
My opinion regarding theism, in case you'd like to know, could be summarized with the quote, "I think, therefore I am."
The consciousness you observe when making that observation is something no sum of physical parts could amount to. Placing carbon and other elements next to each other won't make those particles aware of anything, despite their proximity, or beneficial arrangement. Recording information in a brain won't create that kind of awareness, it's just a recording. Running electric current through that system to make muscles move won't create awareness. Only something more than the sum of those parts can make that happen. The human body, as an extension of the brain, is only the observed, not the observer. Something more, the observer himself, has to be added in order to account for awareness.
sagap0: I believe the antonym of atheist is theist. You could also be more specific, and use words like monotheist or polytheist.
My opinion regarding theism, in case you'd like to know, could be summarized with the quote, "I think, therefore I am."
The consciousness you observe when making that observation is something no sum of physical parts could amount to. Placing carbon and other elements next to each other won't make those particles aware of anything, despite their proximity, or beneficial arrangement. Recording information in a brain won't create that kind of awareness, it's just a recording. Running electric current through that system to make muscles move won't create awareness. Only something more than the sum of those parts can make that happen. The human body, as an extension of the brain, is only the observed, not the observer. Something more, the observer himself, has to be added in order to account for awareness.
That seems to be a rather solid basis for theism.
Yes,,, But not the god of religion with it's heaven and hell , eternal condemnation, virgin births, God in the flesh, son of God,, resurrections,,, etc,,, etc,,,
People who say they believe in God yet do evil, well then they don't really believe in Him do they? And the devil is happy to make true religion look bad through those bad doers...
maryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada1,370 posts
In my entire 38 years I have yet to run across and atheist,either in person or online,who was not a complete fanatic about their beliefs. They bang you over the head and ram their beliefs down your throat as much as any radical Christian.
Instead of damning you to hell like radical christians they mock,sneer and talk down to you like you are a 3 year old if you don't believe as they do. Both of these types of people I avoid since I can't take either types of behavior.
maryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada1,370 posts
Godsgift: And that's exactly why you'll spend an eternity in purgatory begging for forgiveness as the demons slap your naked body with sticks of wet celery!
(just kidding...........about the celery anyways)
My husband goes to mass enough for the both of us. Maybe they'll let me out of purgatory early for that.
Personally I consider myself agnostic since I don't claim to know everything there is to know. Maybe it's true and maybe it is not. Maybe the truth is so much bigger and more complex then any of us can possibly wrap our tiny human minds around.
maryrachelle: In my entire 38 years I have yet to run across and atheist,either in person or online,who was not a complete fanatic about their beliefs. They bang you over the head and ram their beliefs down your throat as much as any radical Christian.
Instead of damning you to hell like radical christians they mock,sneer and talk down to you like you are a 3 year old if you don't believe as they do. Both of these types of people I avoid since I can't take either types of behavior.
You haven't because they did not say they were atheist. Most atheist are not that way, but after centuries of religious persecution, religion has it coming.
maryrachelle: In my entire 38 years I have yet to run across and atheist,either in person or online,who was not a complete fanatic about their beliefs. They bang you over the head and ram their beliefs down your throat as much as any radical Christian.
Instead of damning you to hell like radical christians they mock,sneer and talk down to you like you are a 3 year old if you don't believe as they do. Both of these types of people I avoid since I can't take either types of behavior.
Darkbrownskins: Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities
I'm myself an atheist, my daughter and the man I love though , believe in a Christian God (I'm clearifying since it might be any god or gods...)
We respect eachother beliefs deeply.
But I have heard a 10000000 times from believers saying to me
"Doesn't matter if you don't believe in god... he still believes in you"
I think it's disrespectful . What If I'd say "Doesn't matter that you believe in god , he doesn't exists anyway"
Same thing, jsut from my perspective. Unfortunately , I have found out that religious people demands for lots of respect , but won't be able to show the same respect to us non believers. (I can say that jsut from the people I have met. That's it)
maryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada1,370 posts
Dadude62: You haven't because they did not say they were atheist. Most atheist are not that way, but after centuries of religious persecution, religion has it coming.
Since it was my experiences then I think I know exactly what happened in them and yes they did say they were atheist. They were loud,proud and extremely obnoxious about it. As I said I have yet to run across and atheist anywhere who is not a fanatic.
By the way "religion has it coming". Very mature and non condescending of you. NOT!
maryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada1,370 posts
Dadude62: Atheists and agnostics don't have a belief,,,,
As an agnostics we don't know what we believe. That's the whole point of being agnostic. We don't rule anything out and we don't claim to know anything for sure. That's what atheist do,not agnostics. You seem to of mashed the two together as one when they are not.
maryrachelle: Since it was my experiences then I think I know exactly what happened in them and yes they did say they were atheist. They were loud,proud and extremely obnoxious about it. As I said I have yet to run across and atheist anywhere who is not a fanatic.
By the way "religion has it coming". Very mature and non condescending of you. NOT!
You did not understand what I said. The atheists you talked with might have been what you call fanatic. But there are many, many more you have never talked to who you would never know they were atheist. And as far as you "knowing what went on in them", I think you were projecting.
maryrachelle: As an agnostics we don't know what we believe. That's the whole point of being agnostic. We don't rule anything out and we don't claim to know anything for sure. That's what atheist do,not agnostics. You seem to of mashed the two together as one when they are not.
Agnostics don't have a belief and they know it. Yes some atheists are a bit like religious types in that some can be just as staunch. In general, atheist are much like agnostics but they reject the God of religion. Other then that much like agnostics they also don't have a belief. There is no organized atheist religion, and they don't spout of such nonsense as virgin births and resurrections and heaven and hell after life. And except for thew few "fanatics" you have met they don't go around demanding anything like religious types do. I don't think you are a true agnostic,,, You sound more like a confused religious type. And yes after centuries of religious persecution, (not atheist), religion is slowly but surely being put in it's place.
maryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada1,370 posts
Dadude62: Agnostics don't have a belief and they know it. Yes some atheists are a bit like religious types in that some can be just as staunch. In general, atheist are much like agnostics but they reject the God of religion. Other then that much like agnostics they also don't have a belief. There is no organized atheist religion, and they don't spout of such nonsense as virgin births and resurrections and heaven and hell after life. And except for thew few "fanatics" you have met they don't go around demanding anything like religious types do. I don't think you are a true agnostic,,, You sound more like a confused religious type. And yes after centuries of religious persecution, (not atheist), religion is slowly but surely being put in it's place.
Since clearly you are confused as to what it means to be an agnostic here is a defintion for you.....
In response to: ag·nos·tic (g-nstk) n. 1. a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God. b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism. 2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something. adj. 1. Relating to or being an agnostic. 2. Doubtful or noncommittal: "Though I am agnostic on what terms to use, I have no doubt that human infants come with an enormous 'acquisitiveness' for discovering patterns" (William H. Calvin).
[a- + Gnostic.]
ag·nosti·cal·ly adv. Word History: An agnostic does not deny the existence of God and heaven but holds that one cannot know for certain whether or not they exist. The term agnostic was fittingly coined by the 19th-century British scientist Thomas H. Huxley, who believed that only material phenomena were objects of exact knowledge. He made up the word from the prefix a-, meaning "without, not," as in amoral, and the noun Gnostic. Gnostic is related to the Greek word gnsis, "knowledge," which was used by early Christian writers to mean "higher, esoteric knowledge of spiritual things"; hence, Gnostic referred to those with such knowledge. In coining the term agnostic, Huxley was considering as "Gnostics" a group of his fellow intellectuals"ists," as he called themwho had eagerly embraced various doctrines or theories that explained the world to their satisfaction. Because he was a "man without a rag of a label to cover himself with," Huxley coined the term agnostic for himself, its first published use being in 1870.
I don't discount anyones beliefs as "nonsense". To do so would be condescending such as you are doing right now. You are only proving that what I say about atheist being fanatical and condescending as being true.
maryrachelle: Since clearly you are confused as to what it means to be an agnostic here is a defintion for you.....
I don't discount anyones beliefs as "nonsense". To do so would be condescending such as you are doing right now. You are only proving that what I say about atheist being fanatical and condescending as being true.
Since clearly you are confused as to what it means to be an agnostic here is a defintion for you.....
I don't discount anyones beliefs as "nonsense". To do so would be condescending such as you are doing right now. You are only proving that what I say about atheist being fanatical and condescending as being true.[/quot
Dadude62: Since clearly you are confused as to what it means to be an agnostic here is a defintion for you.....
I don't discount anyones beliefs as "nonsense". To do so would be condescending such as you are doing right now. You are only proving that what I say about atheist being fanatical and condescending as being true.[/quot
Well , I will be so bold as to call it nonsense,,,
maryrachelle: Since clearly you are confused as to what it means to be an agnostic here is a defintion for you.....
I don't discount anyones beliefs as "nonsense". To do so would be condescending such as you are doing right now. You are only proving that what I say about atheist being fanatical and condescending as being true.
So religion can go around insulting everyones intelligence, scaring the crap out of mankind for centuries with these unproven claims, killing and torturing ,, and you then find it "condescending" if someone says it's bullish-t ?
Personally I need to believe in (my) God, though I'm not a church goer except for Easter, marriages, and related events. And I love Miracle on the 34th Street.
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