Military Personnel has post Traumatic Syndrome- Should their personal guns be taken away? (49)
Not all military personnel have PTSD. how about therapy for the ones who do?
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It depends on each individual circumstance, I've been around veterans with no ptsd who shouldn't own aweapon. I've been around vets with ptsd who are fine to have weapons.
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A person with a mental issue shouldn't have a gun. What difference does it make if he served in the military?
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ooby_dooby: A person with a mental issue shouldn't have a gun. What difference does it make if he served in the military?
well, was he able to function in the military with a gun; while he still putting his life in danger but no other allies life in danger?
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Of course their guns should be taken away until such time the patient is proven rehabilitated.
PTSD is a psychiatric disorder.
Their neurotransmitters are not firing properly.
PTSD is a psychiatric disorder.
Their neurotransmitters are not firing properly.
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ooby_dooby: A person with a mental issue shouldn't have a gun. What difference does it make if he served in the military?
Actually, those with mental illness shouldn't drive a car. Also, Those who served in the military aren't the ones who snapped, get my drift?
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Nikogas: I am sorry to hear that you have had this exerience but glad that you were able to take the steps to make yourself safe and at ease.
Thankyou Niko, much appreciated.
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There seems to be some misunderstanding about PTSD, here.
Just like with a cold there will differences in the severity of the illness and the symptoms, the same is true for psychological ill health.
The question you're asking is like asking if someone should stay in bed if they have a cold. You'd want to know more details before making a decision and you'd want some input from the person with the cold.
You're asking people to make a decision based upon ignorance and prejudice.
Of course the simple answer would be, if there were no guns at all, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
Just like with a cold there will differences in the severity of the illness and the symptoms, the same is true for psychological ill health.
The question you're asking is like asking if someone should stay in bed if they have a cold. You'd want to know more details before making a decision and you'd want some input from the person with the cold.
You're asking people to make a decision based upon ignorance and prejudice.
Of course the simple answer would be, if there were no guns at all, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
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jac379:
Of course the simple answer would be, if there were no guns at all, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
Of course the simple answer would be, if there were no guns at all, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
Sorry Jac, that is not an answer, it is an evasion of the issue, the question of psychological well being in the ownership of guns is relevant.
The severity of the psychological illness, and it's bearing on the ownership of deadly weapons, should be determined by a qualified person.IMO-
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Blain69: Legislators in NY are considering
Hell no, they should be given weapons free of charge ,you know they need to steamvalve
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jac379: There seems to be some misunderstanding about PTSD, here.
Just like with a cold there will differences in the severity of the illness and the symptoms, the same is true for psychological ill health.
The question you're asking is like asking if someone should stay in bed if they have a cold. You'd want to know more details before making a decision and you'd want some input from the person with the cold.
You're asking people to make a decision based upon ignorance and prejudice.
Of course the simple answer would be, if there were no guns at all, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
Just like with a cold there will differences in the severity of the illness and the symptoms, the same is true for psychological ill health.
The question you're asking is like asking if someone should stay in bed if they have a cold. You'd want to know more details before making a decision and you'd want some input from the person with the cold.
You're asking people to make a decision based upon ignorance and prejudice.
Of course the simple answer would be, if there were no guns at all, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
Well said Jac most people are ignorant about how PTSD affects different individuals, no two cases are ever the same and the prognosis for each is different. Films like Rambo and an ill informed media don't help either, add all of this together and you get irrational comments made by people with little or no experience of mental health issues, any wonder there is so much stigma associated with these conditions.
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Anyone mentally unstable should get away from weapons until they get over it. Risk of suicide is a good reason, and do not know what to say about the security of others because special forces are taught to kill even with bare hands.
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Blain69: Legislators in NY are considering
Politicians need to have a good gun debate
- however, as much as I am a fan of gun control - each military person no matter what - is an independent and free American (in your scenerio) and therefore as a consenting adult taking away what belongs to them is wrong. You can try and shut the barn door after the horse has bolted all you want. This horse has bolted.
I think we should have legislators in NY considering ways to balance the budget and provide more services to the people with their tax dollars - I think legislators in NY should consider making ways to ensure gender equality - to provide ways for health care to be more accessible and affordable - to ensure fresh drinking water, to repair the state's infrastructure, create more job opportunities -
to STOP wasting their time on topics that politically will help them get elected next time instead of doing good in their communities. .....
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Boban1: Hell no, they should be given weapons free of charge ,you know they need to steamvalve
streamline....
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JeanKimberley: I totally agree this is not for the government to decide it is for the individual to decide
It is for the individual to decide? Really? So I assume you don't have a problem with soldiers serving on the front line whilst suffering PTSD? If their mental health is so damaged they are unfit to wield weapons IN combat I'd guess they aren't safe to have weapons OUTSIDE combat.
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Iuchi_Zien: It is for the individual to decide? Really? So I assume you don't have a problem with soldiers serving on the front line whilst suffering PTSD? If their mental health is so damaged they are unfit to wield weapons IN combat I'd guess they aren't safe to have weapons OUTSIDE combat.
More often than not PTSD doesn't rear it's ugly head until you're back home and in a safe enviroment. I didn't have a problem when i was on active service, everything fell apart when i got back.
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Iuchi_Zien: It is for the individual to decide? Really? So I assume you don't have a problem with soldiers serving on the front line whilst suffering PTSD? If their mental health is so damaged they are unfit to wield weapons IN combat I'd guess they aren't safe to have weapons OUTSIDE combat.
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I'm seeing a bit of a pattern forming here, lets make one thing clear, People who have developed PTSD don't generally come home to run amock in society,They're not crazed killers looking to commit mass murders, The greatest danger that a soldier with PTSD presents is to him or herself. Suicide has claimed almost as many lives of Veterans suffering from PTSD than actual combat. It's harmful and not helpful to brand PTSD sufferers as ticking timebombs, maybe a little more understanding of the real issues surrounding this condition would help save lives. The war might end but the battle continues,Try living with the stigma associated with PTSD, is it any wonder that suicide seems like a viable alternative to people who are largely forgotten or swept under the carpet when they get home. If you have physical wounds and scars you're a hero, if you have mental wounds and scars you're branded unstable and untrustworthy. PTSD sufferers are made to feel ashamed of their wounds, this needs to change if more lives are to be saved.
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Blain69: Legislators in NY are considering
Time to put blame; The Veterans Affair.
Once these military personnel are out of the service
they are on their own. Vetarans Affair is responsible
for those that already committed suicide.
They been claiming that these soldiers were suffering
from PTSD before they enlisted. Big Liars!
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justjim63: More often than not PTSD doesn't rear it's ugly head until you're back home and in a safe enviroment. I didn't have a problem when i was on active service, everything fell apart when i got back.
Which is also the case for other triggers of PTSD.
Its important to remember your body (including the psychological part) will always look after itself, if you let it.
The last thing you need whilst trying to survive trauma is flashbacks - its going to interfere with survival. The last thing you need is to remember the traumatic incident(s).
Once in a safe environment, you then need the memories (intense and unpleasant as they can be) in order to start processing the trauma and associated grief.
PTSD is a positive thing to happen. It means that the person has survived, is safe and is working their way towards being fully healed. Its a horribly unpleasant and traumatic (by default) process to go through, but it is a process.
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jac379: Which is also the case for other triggers of PTSD.
Its important to remember your body (including the psychological part) will always look after itself, if you let it.
The last thing you need whilst trying to survive trauma is flashbacks - its going to interfere with survival. The last thing you need is to remember the traumatic incident(s).
Once in a safe environment, you then need the memories (intense and unpleasant as they can be) in order to start processing the trauma and associated grief.
PTSD is a positive thing to happen. It means that the person has survived, is safe and is working their way towards being fully healed. Its a horribly unpleasant and traumatic (by default) process to go through, but it is a process.
Its important to remember your body (including the psychological part) will always look after itself, if you let it.
The last thing you need whilst trying to survive trauma is flashbacks - its going to interfere with survival. The last thing you need is to remember the traumatic incident(s).
Once in a safe environment, you then need the memories (intense and unpleasant as they can be) in order to start processing the trauma and associated grief.
PTSD is a positive thing to happen. It means that the person has survived, is safe and is working their way towards being fully healed. Its a horribly unpleasant and traumatic (by default) process to go through, but it is a process.
PTSD is a positive thing to happen", but when these patients
have proffesional help to deal with this issue.
They can't do it by themselves, that's why so many suicides.
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bungallow55: PTSD is a positive thing to happen", but when these patients
have proffesional help to deal with this issue.
They can't do it by themselves, that's why so many suicides.
have proffesional help to deal with this issue.
They can't do it by themselves, that's why so many suicides.
Not necesarily.
I'll wager millions of people go through PTSD undiagnosed and unaware they fit into this model (PTSD is just a model, albeit a bloody useful one) as a result of traumatic experience and the vast majority process the trauma professionally unaided.
Obviously, support and more to the point information/knowledge of how their body/mind is processsing the trauma will reduce the confusion and increase the chances of healthy and complete (or as complete as it gets) processing, but its not actually necessary for healing.
Professionals don't have a magic wand, they have knowledge skills they can share. Access to professional support needs to be widely available, but you cannot force someone to accept it, nor can you tell someone they cannot heal without it.
To imply someone cannot heal without 'someone else doing the right work' is to take that person's control away from them. What is trauma? Its a situation which causes distress and the person has no control over - this would mean your assertion that someone has no control over their own healing is a traumatic event in itself and entirely counter productive to the healing process.
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online today!online today!pisceslady7Kincumber nr. Gosford, New South Wales Australia21 Threads 4 Polls 1,910 Postsjustjim63: I'm seeing a bit of a pattern forming here, lets make one thing clear, People who have developed PTSD don't generally come home to run amock in society,They're not crazed killers looking to commit mass murders, The greatest danger that a soldier with PTSD presents is to him or herself. Suicide has claimed almost as many lives of Veterans suffering from PTSD than actual combat. It's harmful and not helpful to brand PTSD sufferers as ticking timebombs, maybe a little more understanding of the real issues surrounding this condition would help save lives. The war might end but the battle continues,Try living with the stigma associated with PTSD, is it any wonder that suicide seems like a viable alternative to people who are largely forgotten or swept under the carpet when they get home. If you have physical wounds and scars you're a hero, if you have mental wounds and scars you're branded unstable and untrustworthy. PTSD sufferers are made to feel ashamed of their wounds, this needs to change if more lives are to be saved.
I also had PTSD and some of it remains. No, it was not from working with the armed forces although, interestingly, my father was a Colonel in the military and he was the first person to 'get' me. He actually understood what I was going through as he had seen it in his men.
I am not some-one who believes in gun ownership as a 'right' and would never have one in the house, but, had I been, I know I would have been quite safe with one. If I had been self-harming I had enough medication to do so and there are always high-buildings.
The question I think was ....are they/we a danger to others. I definitely was NOT and am not. I did have a colleague (I was a teacher) actually tell me that whatever I did, not to let the parents know I was having counselling. I was totally confused as I knew I was not a danger to my students. People do not seem to understand PTSD very well. A friend of mine also has it. He ran over some-one at night who was drunk and walked in front of his car. The man died. My friend is still living with it.
PTSD can ONLY be diagnosed and treated by professionals. My feeling is the question should actually be....are war veterans getting enough support when in a war zone and they get home? If not (and I would venture that to be the case) WHY not and what do we do about it? Surely the stigma of mental illness/disturbance is less than it was 20 years ago. It is all over the media here and support groups for depression are advertised openly. we need to stop judging others and try to be more supportive. PTSD can be a very lonely place.
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pisceslady7: I also had PTSD and some of it remains. No, it was not from working with the armed forces although, interestingly, my father was a Colonel in the military and he was the first person to 'get' me. He actually understood what I was going through as he had seen it in his men.
I am not some-one who believes in gun ownership as a 'right' and would never have one in the house, but, had I been, I know I would have been quite safe with one. If I had been self-harming I had enough medication to do so and there are always high-buildings.
The question I think was ....are they/we a danger to others. I definitely was NOT and am not. I did have a colleague (I was a teacher) actually tell me that whatever I did, not to let the parents know I was having counselling. I was totally confused as I knew I was not a danger to my students. People do not seem to understand PTSD very well. A friend of mine also has it. He ran over some-one at night who was drunk and walked in front of his car. The man died. My friend is still living with it.
PTSD can ONLY be diagnosed and treated by professionals. My feeling is the question should actually be....are war veterans getting enough support when in a war zone and they get home? If not (and I would venture that to be the case) WHY not and what do we do about it? Surely the stigma of mental illness/disturbance is less than it was 20 years ago. It is all over the media here and support groups for depression are advertised openly. we need to stop judging others and try to be more supportive. PTSD can be a very lonely place.
Jim
I am not some-one who believes in gun ownership as a 'right' and would never have one in the house, but, had I been, I know I would have been quite safe with one. If I had been self-harming I had enough medication to do so and there are always high-buildings.
The question I think was ....are they/we a danger to others. I definitely was NOT and am not. I did have a colleague (I was a teacher) actually tell me that whatever I did, not to let the parents know I was having counselling. I was totally confused as I knew I was not a danger to my students. People do not seem to understand PTSD very well. A friend of mine also has it. He ran over some-one at night who was drunk and walked in front of his car. The man died. My friend is still living with it.
PTSD can ONLY be diagnosed and treated by professionals. My feeling is the question should actually be....are war veterans getting enough support when in a war zone and they get home? If not (and I would venture that to be the case) WHY not and what do we do about it? Surely the stigma of mental illness/disturbance is less than it was 20 years ago. It is all over the media here and support groups for depression are advertised openly. we need to stop judging others and try to be more supportive. PTSD can be a very lonely place.
Jim
Whilst its true that PTSD can only legally and professionally be diagnosed by someone with the professional qualifications to do so, you've said yourself your dad recognised your symptomology. Ergo, our first port of call, as with many physical and psychological issues is that someone makes an unprofessional diagnosis. Here is where we need to deal with general ignorance, as it leads to so many people left undiagnosed, confused and without support.
Its then the person's choice whether to follow their own recognition of the symptomolgy, or someone eslse's, with professional diagnosis, or not, assuming that facility is available to them.
Again, I refute that PTSD can only be treated by a professional. We must get away from these medical models of psychological issues which imply that we have no control over our own health.
Professionals are facilitators only, not magic curers who apply treatments like a poultice. Ultimately recovery is the work of the person in need of recovery and they have the right to choose how they should go about that.
The right to choose, I agree with you, would include that everyone, no matter the causal trauma(s), has access to professional facilities, but you cannot force someone to use them, nor can you diagnose it as the only route for every individual's recovery.
Otherwise I agree with all your points, specifically that PTSD does not necessarily make, and probably rarely makes someone a danger to others.
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Boban1: Hell no, they should be given weapons free of charge ,you know they need to steamvalve
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pisceslady7: I also had PTSD and some of it remains. No, it was not from working with the armed forces although, interestingly, my father was a Colonel in the military and he was the first person to 'get' me. He actually understood what I was going through as he had seen it in his men.
I am not some-one who believes in gun ownership as a 'right' and would never have one in the house, but, had I been, I know I would have been quite safe with one. If I had been self-harming I had enough medication to do so and there are always high-buildings.
The question I think was ....are they/we a danger to others. I definitely was NOT and am not. I did have a colleague (I was a teacher) actually tell me that whatever I did, not to let the parents know I was having counselling. I was totally confused as I knew I was not a danger to my students. People do not seem to understand PTSD very well. A friend of mine also has it. He ran over some-one at night who was drunk and walked in front of his car. The man died. My friend is still living with it.
PTSD can ONLY be diagnosed and treated by professionals. My feeling is the question should actually be....are war veterans getting enough support when in a war zone and they get home? If not (and I would venture that to be the case) WHY not and what do we do about it? Surely the stigma of mental illness/disturbance is less than it was 20 years ago. It is all over the media here and support groups for depression are advertised openly. we need to stop judging others and try to be more supportive. PTSD can be a very lonely place.
Jim
I am not some-one who believes in gun ownership as a 'right' and would never have one in the house, but, had I been, I know I would have been quite safe with one. If I had been self-harming I had enough medication to do so and there are always high-buildings.
The question I think was ....are they/we a danger to others. I definitely was NOT and am not. I did have a colleague (I was a teacher) actually tell me that whatever I did, not to let the parents know I was having counselling. I was totally confused as I knew I was not a danger to my students. People do not seem to understand PTSD very well. A friend of mine also has it. He ran over some-one at night who was drunk and walked in front of his car. The man died. My friend is still living with it.
PTSD can ONLY be diagnosed and treated by professionals. My feeling is the question should actually be....are war veterans getting enough support when in a war zone and they get home? If not (and I would venture that to be the case) WHY not and what do we do about it? Surely the stigma of mental illness/disturbance is less than it was 20 years ago. It is all over the media here and support groups for depression are advertised openly. we need to stop judging others and try to be more supportive. PTSD can be a very lonely place.
Jim
Thankyou for you're input and insight into PTSD, it's a complex issue and as Jac quite rightly said, the military population only represents the tip of the iceberg so to speak, it's a huge problem for society in general and i think we're only now starting to see the ramifications of it being left untreated or of the stigma associated with it.
Jim
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justjim63: I'm seeing a bit of a pattern forming here, lets make one thing clear, People who have developed PTSD don't generally come home to run amock in society,They're not crazed killers looking to commit mass murders, The greatest danger that a soldier with PTSD presents is to him or herself. Suicide has claimed almost as many lives of Veterans suffering from PTSD than actual combat. It's harmful and not helpful to brand PTSD sufferers as ticking timebombs, maybe a little more understanding of the real issues surrounding this condition would help save lives. The war might end but the battle continues,Try living with the stigma associated with PTSD, is it any wonder that suicide seems like a viable alternative to people who are largely forgotten or swept under the carpet when they get home. If you have physical wounds and scars you're a hero, if you have mental wounds and scars you're branded unstable and untrustworthy. PTSD sufferers are made to feel ashamed of their wounds, this needs to change if more lives are to be saved.
Having suffered with mental health problems I have EVERY sympathy with people suffering from PTSD. The fact is that they are not, generally, thinking straight. Would you be happy with people on Amphetemenes or Heroin or whatever drug you care to mention wandering around with a gun? Why? Because they are not thinking straight! While ever you allow people who aren't thinking straight weapons there will ALWAYS be a threat of massacres, but hey, if you value gun ownership over the lives of your children go for it.
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Iuchi_Zien: Having suffered with mental health problems I have EVERY sympathy with people suffering from PTSD. The fact is that they are not, generally, thinking straight. Would you be happy with people on Amphetemenes or Heroin or whatever drug you care to mention wandering around with a gun? Why? Because they are not thinking straight! While ever you allow people who aren't thinking straight weapons there will ALWAYS be a threat of massacres, but hey, if you value gun ownership over the lives of your children go for it.
Please don't take my previous post as being pro gun, as i can assure you that after experiencing war first hand i am anything but pro gun, I have had to deal with the wounds and trauma inflicted by them. The point i was trying to make (unsuccessfully it would seem) was that just because a person has a diagnosis of a mental health disorder doesn't automatically make them into violent individuals which threaten the safety of the general population. It's those sorts of statements that perpetrate the stigma associated with mental health conditions.
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justjim63: Please don't take my previous post as being pro gun, as i can assure you that after experiencing war first hand i am anything but pro gun, I have had to deal with the wounds and trauma inflicted by them. The point i was trying to make (unsuccessfully it would seem) was that just because a person has a diagnosis of a mental health disorder doesn't automatically make them into violent individuals which threaten the safety of the general population. It's those sorts of statements that perpetrate the stigma associated with mental health conditions.
It only takes one. Not everybody who takes drugs goes on a paranoid trip and kills their wife, children and family because they believed their family were trying to kill them. The vast majority, almost all, people suffering from mental health problems are only a threat to themselves not anybody else, but it just takes one. Guns should only be in the hands of responsible people. People who are a threat to themselves or others should NOT be in possession of weapons otherwise you are playing Russian roulette with your children.
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