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May 12, 2013 10:08 AM CSTWhat are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts

What are our "best" global energy pathways?(Vote Below)

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Nat gas
1
2%
Coal
1
2%
Oil
4
7%
Wind
4
7%
Wave
0
0%
Solar
17
30%
Geothermal
1
2%
Nuclear
2
4%
wind, wave, geo, hydro, solar combined
24
43%
some other combination (exlpain why, note: carbon)
2
4%
Total Votes
56
What pathways do you think we could reasonably use to realize viable, carbon reducing, climate change influencing impacts in the energy sector?

Please note your ideas on carbon, CO2, impacts of mining (e.g. minerals/metals, uranium), costs (fiscal, environmental) and anything else you want to share about energy choices and impacts.

Yeah, I'm a serious kid... but I do like to have fun, too, so have fun with this if you dare!

peace
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May 12, 2013 10:30 AM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
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May 12, 2013 10:34 AM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
Very nice and quick response, Guzman, thank you for your bright mind

applause teddybear peace
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May 12, 2013 10:38 AM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
PJ1961: Very nice and quick response, Guzman, thank you for your bright mind
heart beating

Sometimes people forgets that no energy is needed when anything is made with human effort, walking or working with the muscles. And it's healthy.
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May 12, 2013 10:44 AM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
GUZMAN1: Sometimes people forgets that no energy is needed when anything is made with human effort, walking or working with the muscles. And it's healthy.


Indeed, even I forgot... thanks for being able to remind us
teddybear
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May 12, 2013 10:47 AM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
The warmth of my partner will be sufficient.laugh laugh laugh Imagine practicing this scenario,we eliminate global warming automatically.grin grin grin
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May 12, 2013 11:00 AM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
chris27292729: The warmth of my partner will be sufficient. Imagine practicing this scenario,we eliminate global warming automatically.


I love it! Thank you for the fun take on the issue... A

Make Love Not Bad Energy


Solution!

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May 12, 2013 11:36 AM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
BlueLifeTr
BlueLifeTrBlueLifeTrRidgefield, New Jersey USA19 Threads 16 Polls 148 Posts
REALLY perfect question!thumbs up handshake I prefer :wind, wave, geo, hydro, solar combinedpeace
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May 12, 2013 11:40 AM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
In Britain it will be tidal power and underground coal gasification. Each region needs to play to its strengths, which is why I laugh when wealthy moral posturers here in England place solar panels on the roof of their homes even though the manufacture and installation of such creates a greater carbon footprint than if they just used power from the grid.
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May 12, 2013 11:43 AM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
A_Non_A_Moose
A_Non_A_MooseA_Non_A_MooseWestlock, Alberta Canada116 Threads 8 Polls 4,340 Posts
An extremely complex question......without easy answers....

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May 12, 2013 11:47 AM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Vibration in the bedroom creates energy too.me thinks.- Have no idea what results,the combination "vibration + glow " brings.laugh laugh laugh
PJ1961: probably not enuff for street lights, but am thinking there'd be potential for a really nice Glow in the room
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May 12, 2013 12:04 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
chris27292729: Vibration in the bedroom creates energy too.me thinks.- Have no idea what results,the combination "vibration + glow " brings.


All of which are true, I hope you will forgive me for answering the serious side of this question from the point of view of Finland.
Sustainable energy

The challenges faced by energy research include, in particular, harmonisation of environmental effects and economic edge conditions as well as the optimal use of renewable natural resources for raw materials and energy. Energy solutions are key issues in terms of the present and future well-being of all mankind. Indeed, future energy solutions are significantly affected by their possible effects on human health and well-being.

The research programme will produce new and innovative scientific knowledge about energy technology, energy systems and energy efficiency. Another aim is to direct research to developing sustainable solutions as well as know-how in identifying future energy system alternatives. In the programme is research is carried out from a multidisciplinary perspective, including such fields as bioenergy and nuclear power as well as medical and economic sciences.

Aims of the research programme

to generate new and innovative scientific knowledge in energy technology, the operation of energy systems and energy efficiency
to direct research to developing sustainable solutions in energy technology and energy systems, taking into account the environment and health issues
to develop expertise in energy production, transfer and use; and to develop know-how in identifying future energy systems alternatives and to curbing of climate change
to create new multidisciplinary research teams and national and international networks in research
to increase the mobility of doctoral students and researchers
to improve international competitiveness of research and industry
to bring Finnish energy research up to international top level in certain research sectors
to generate visible social impacts
The SusEn programme consists of the following core themes

New technologies for energy production
Effective energy system
Energy use efficiency
Other national funders

Maj and Tor Nessling Foundation, Fortum Oyj, UPM-Kymmene Oyj and Neste Oil Oyj.

Internatinal funding partners

Brasil: Brazilian National Council for Scientific and Technological Development (CNPq)
Chile: Chilean National Commission for Scientific and Technological Research (CONICYT)
Iceland: Orkustofnun
China: National Natural Science Foundation of China (NSFC)
Luxemburg: The National Research Fund (FNR)
Norway: The Research Council of Norway (RCN)
Poland: Ministry of Science and Higher Education (MSHE)
Sweden: Swedish Energy Agency (STEM)
Germany: Forschungszentrum Jülich (PTJ)
Denmark: The Danish Agency for Science, Technology and Innovation (DASTI)
Nordic Energy Research (NER)

Thankyou for bothering to read this. Finland takes this question seriously.
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May 12, 2013 12:10 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
Adalstef
AdalstefAdalstefReykjavik, Northwest Iceland94 Threads 896 Posts
Here in Iceland we drill for hot water and lead it to our homes for heating.
Also we harvest the pressure from when the hot water shoots from the ground to power turbines to produce electricity.

But most of our electricity come from powerstations where we build dams and the falling river water powers the turbines

I think this is as clean energy as it gets
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May 12, 2013 12:18 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Adalstef: Here in Iceland we drill for hot water and lead it to our homes for heating.
Also we harvest the pressure from when the hot water shoots from the ground to power turbines to produce electricity.

But most of our electricity come from powerstations where we build dams and the falling river water powers the turbines

I think this is as clean energy as it gets


In Spain we haven't geysers (to my knowledge) but we have plenty of sun.

In the Canary Islands there is geothermal activity, but not much water. Perhaps sea water could be brought to the underground to power a turbine...dunno
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May 12, 2013 12:19 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
Its hard to say but I just read an article today that states as a planet we have now passed the dangerous level of Co2 emissions...Thats scary uh oh
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May 12, 2013 12:24 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
Adalstef
AdalstefAdalstefReykjavik, Northwest Iceland94 Threads 896 Posts
GUZMAN1: In Spain we haven't geysers (to my knowledge) but we have plenty of sun.

In the Canary Islands there is geothermal activity, but not much water. Perhaps sea water could be brought to the underground to power a turbine...


Yes of course hotsprings and steep falling rivers are not avalible everywhere.
They started doing this here because we dont have any wood to burn so this was the only method available for heating.
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May 12, 2013 12:27 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Adalstef: Yes of course hotsprings and steep falling rivers are not avalible everywhere.
They started doing this here because we dont have any wood to burn so this was the only method available for heating.



You are lucky to have this natural resource, here in Finland we have plenty of wood, but this does not help the co2 emissions.
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May 12, 2013 12:29 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Adalstef: Yes of course hotsprings and steep falling rivers are not avalible everywhere.
They started doing this here because we dont have any wood to burn so this was the only method available for heating.


Then your country have advanced geothermic technology. Not everybody has this.
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May 12, 2013 12:37 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
Adalstef
AdalstefAdalstefReykjavik, Northwest Iceland94 Threads 896 Posts
GUZMAN1: Then your country have advanced geothermic technology. Not everybody has this.


Thats true, we are sitting on a hot spot, but that means we have to live with spewing volcanoes as well, but we got used to that
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May 12, 2013 12:45 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
move away from fossil fuels using a combination of alternatives.

then again...

how about zombies and treadmills....
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May 12, 2013 12:47 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
BlueLifeTr: REALLY perfect question! I prefer :wind, wave, geo, hydro, solar combined


Glad you think so, BlueLife.. it is a big issue these days for sure!

I also like wind wave geo hydro solar, and now, because of Guzman's kind reminder above, human power!


peace cheers peace
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May 12, 2013 12:51 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
Obstinance_Works: In Britain it will be tidal power and underground coal gasification. Each region needs to play to its strengths, which is why I laugh when wealthy moral posturers here in England place solar panels on the roof of their homes even though the manufacture and installation of such creates a greater carbon footprint than if they just used power from the grid.


good points... is the carbon footprint because of the need to import resources for solar products? Do you think there's room for some human power ingenuity, too, considering the dense population? perhaps some bicycle powered systems? I mean, why not have banks of bikes outside shopping areas for people to sit and cycle while they eat their lunch? it might be enough to generate electricity for night lights in the parking areas...
peace yay cheers
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May 12, 2013 12:53 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
PJ1961: Glad you think so, BlueLife.. it is a big issue these days for sure!

I also like wind wave geo hydro solar, and now, because of Guzman's kind reminder above, human power!


And animal power!

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May 12, 2013 12:56 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
A_Non_A_Moose: An extremely complex question......without easy answers....


Ohhh! That is hilarious!


rolling on the floor laughing peace applause

I LOVE it, One Windmill, indeed. I prefer the bird friendly wind energy systems myself and am always amazed when people start howling about bird and bat kills - Because - it doesn't have to be that way!

Thanks for the very funny addition to the thread and you are correct, it is complicated. Do they really only have One Windmill?!
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May 12, 2013 12:58 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
chris27292729: Vibration in the bedroom creates energy too.me thinks.- Have no idea what results,the combination "vibration + glow " brings.


some hot energy I think, worthy of further investigation among those willing to take the challenge for a happier 'morrow
peace teddybear peace
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May 12, 2013 1:06 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
I LOVE this! I am very glad you went into so much detail and, I'm going to let you all in on a secret, now, rather than later.

The reason I posted this is because I have several proposals in the MIT Climate CoLab Contest for 2013. There are 19 days left and multiple categories for various types of proposals addressing Global Climate Change.

See:

I have two entries in Shifting cultures for a changing climate and a new one in Global Industrial efficiency

There are 19 days left int he contest and a $10K prize (presumably to be put towards making your proposal fly... but, the best part - check out the advisors and others who oversee the project... EXPOSURE for your ideas is pretty high level. Hopefully they pick a really good solution.

Great information Tomcat!

Thank You

tomcatwarne: All of which are true, I hope you will forgive me for answering the serious side of this question from the point of view of Finland.
Sustainable energy

The challenges faced by energy research include, in particular, harmonisation of environmental effects and economic edge conditions as well as the optimal use of renewable natural resources for raw materials and energy. Energy solutions are key issues in terms of the present and future well-being of all mankind. Indeed, future energy solutions are significantly affected by their possible effects on human health and well-being.

The research programme will produce new and innovative scientific knowledge about energy technology, energy systems and energy efficiency. Another aim is to direct research to developing sustainable solutions as well as know-how in identifying future energy system alternatives. In the programme is research is carried out from a multidisciplinary perspective, including such fields as bioenergy and nuclear power as well as medical and economic sciences.

Aims of the research programme

to generate new and innovative scientific knowledge in energy technology, the operation of energy systems and energy efficiency
to direct research to developing sustainable solutions in energy technology and energy systems, taking into account the environment and health issues
to develop expertise in energy production, transfer and use; and to develop know-how in identifying future energy systems alternatives and to curbing of climate change
to create new multidisciplinary research teams and national and international networks in research
to increase the mobility of doctoral students and researchers
to improve international competitiveness of research and industry
to bring Finnish energy research up to international top level in certain research sectors
to generate visible social impacts
The SusEn programme consists of the following core themes

New technologies for energy production
Effective energy system
Energy use efficiency
Other national funders

Maj and Tor Nessling Foundation, Fortum Oyj, UPM-Kymmene Oyj and Neste Oil Oyj.

Internatinal funding partners

Brasil: Brazilian National Council for Scientific and Technological Development (CNPq)
Chile: Chilean National Commission for Scientific and Technological Research (CONICYT)
Iceland: Orkustofnun
China: National Natural Science Foundation of China (NSFC)
Luxemburg: The National Research Fund (FNR)
Norway: The Research Council of Norway (RCN)
Poland: Ministry of Science and Higher Education (MSHE)
Sweden: Swedish Energy Agency (STEM)
Germany: Forschungszentrum Jülich (PTJ)
Denmark: The Danish Agency for Science, Technology and Innovation (DASTI)
Nordic Energy Research (NER)

Thankyou for bothering to read this. Finland takes this question seriously.
peace handshake peace
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May 12, 2013 1:10 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
I Love the big hotspring filled lake you have at Reykjavík, used ti think I'd go there one day... but, I'm well acclimated to southern climates now. Klamath Falls, Oregon also uses their underground geothermal for heating the community - best decision the city ever made was to tap into that sustainable resource.

Thank You, Adalstef! And, Hooray for Icleand!
peace teddybear peace


Adalstef: Here in Iceland we drill for hot water and lead it to our homes for heating.
Also we harvest the pressure from when the hot water shoots from the ground to power turbines to produce electricity.

But most of our electricity come from powerstations where we build dams and the falling river water powers the turbines

I think this is as clean energy as it gets
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May 12, 2013 1:11 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
That's a really good question, Guzman.... I wonder, too hug confused dunno dancing

GUZMAN1: In Spain we haven't geysers (to my knowledge) but we have plenty of sun.

In the Canary Islands there is geothermal activity, but not much water. Perhaps sea water could be brought to the underground to power a turbine...
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May 12, 2013 1:12 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
Indeed, the small, island countries and others without many resources have a tough set of choices to make...

tomcatwarne: You are lucky to have this natural resource, here in Finland we have plenty of wood, but this does not help the co2 emissions.
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May 12, 2013 1:15 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
ohhhhhhhhhhh... shivers up my spine... watch out for methane releases I guess and perhaps worse, jeeeez... knew it was coming...
frustrated - puts a whole new sense of urgency into the solution seeking, then... good luck everybody! wine

venusenvy: Its hard to say but I just read an article today that states as a planet we have now passed the dangerous level of Co2 emissions...Thats scary
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May 12, 2013 1:17 PM CST What are our "best" global energy pathways?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua19 Threads 2 Polls 905 Posts
yeah, the CDC seems to know something abut zombies, perhaps we should hook them up with the job corps and energy companies!

jono7: move away from fossil fuels using a combination of alternatives.

then again...

how about zombies and treadmills....
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