Should the strap be brought back for discipline in schools?. (20)
Waterbearer63: In North America it is illegal for a teacher to strike a child.No slaps,no straps.As a result of this the children now have the schools at their mercy and are free to do whatever they please.Because they know the teacher could be fired and the school district sued by parents, kids have no reason to obey authority.
No, discipline can be administered without violence.
It's time adults, be it teachers, parents whatever, stopped being 'friends' with children and stepped up to the plate.
Firm guidance is the key.
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I was taking Psych 101 and the book was saying that punishments don't work and many students thrive in an environment without any discipline at all. Of course, some kids are vicious brats as well, but that's because their parents neglected them and not the school's fault. I don't think that teachers should ever be allowed to assault students. They take a kid who comes from a dysfunctional home and spend his whole childhood punishing him for being a product of his upbringing. Also, I think it is sick that kids have to stay in school for eight hours a day five days a week and then they are expected to do homework at night. I always thought if I ever had kids I would home school them on a computer if it killed me because public school is just outmoded. And why would people like us take it upon ourselves to demand that children be hit by their teachers? We have no right making teachers hit people. We are trying to have a civilization here.
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serene56: No, discipline can be administered without violence.It's time adults, be it teachers, parents whatever, stopped being 'friends' with children and stepped up to the plate.
Firm guidance is the key.
OMG you cant be serious!Firm guidance is the key.
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serene56: No, discipline can be administered without violence.It's time adults, be it teachers, parents whatever, stopped being 'friends' with children and stepped up to the plate.
Firm guidance is the key.
Firm guidance is the key.
Really? So the armed forces across the world have re-introduced the whip without telling anybody? I can't think of a single worthwhile 'organisation' across the world which uses violence to enforce discipline. The biggest problem schools, and teachers have are parents undermining their authority. The teacher who teaches my son's class has a level of authority over the six year old's in her charge I find amazing. She has, to my knowledge, never even had to raise her voice to any of the children. Firm guidance has nothing to do with discipline, neither does being their 'friend'. Discipline is about clear rules, rules children can understand, not just "because I say so!" It is also about those rules being applied fairly, THEN you will get the respect of your children, not just the 'fear' of your children. And it has only taken me thirty odd years to work that out!
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Ha haa, have you seen what effeminate jokes teachers are these days?
Do you really think that Liberal teachers from the nouveau middle class would dare raise a hand to thuggish kids off the estate? They wouldn't have the balls, and even if they did, they would get their arses handed to them.
Do you really think that Liberal teachers from the nouveau middle class would dare raise a hand to thuggish kids off the estate? They wouldn't have the balls, and even if they did, they would get their arses handed to them.
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Waterbearer63: In North America it is illegal for a teacher to strike a child.No slaps,no straps.As a result of this the children now have the schools at their mercy and are free to do whatever they please.Because they know the teacher could be fired and the school district sued by parents, kids have no reason to obey authority.
BS
I do not know any teacher who is into physical punishment
And it is not teacher´s duty to teach children accept an authority and accept people. Those should be taught in families by parents, grandparents and other relatives!
Change school into borstal of "Oliver Twist style" is an idiotic idea
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Obstinance_Works: Ha haa, have you seen what effeminate jokes teachers are these days?
Do you really think that Liberal teachers from the nouveau middle class would dare raise a hand to thuggish kids off the estate? They wouldn't have the balls, and even if they did, they would get their arses handed to them.
Do you really think that Liberal teachers from the nouveau middle class would dare raise a hand to thuggish kids off the estate? They wouldn't have the balls, and even if they did, they would get their arses handed to them.
Given that one of the teachers in my kids school is ex-army I suspect he wouldn't have a problem. With the thuggish kids, OR their thuggish parents! Perhaps the government is right (what a horrific thought!) we do need more ex-army in our schools?
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Iuchi_Zien: Given that one of the teachers in my kids school is ex-army I suspect he wouldn't have a problem. With the thuggish kids, OR their thuggish parents! Perhaps the government is right (what a horrific thought!) we do need more ex-army in our schools?
Yes, we need to purge our institutions of the decadently effete because they command zero respect from the young(or anybody else who isn't decadently effete).
Although, specifically ex-army types should be used to organise young and listless men who have left school and are now on the benefits.
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I got hit a few times in School. A rural place... they had done away with Corporal punishment in other places.
Things started to go bad though for the teachers when parents turned up at the classroom door and thumped them. lol and especially when some of the bigger lads started head butting teachers back. LOL
Things started to go bad though for the teachers when parents turned up at the classroom door and thumped them. lol and especially when some of the bigger lads started head butting teachers back. LOL
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Obstinance_Works: Yes, we need to purge our institutions of the decadently effete because they command zero respect from the young(or anybody else who isn't decadently effete).
Although, specifically ex-army types should be used to organise young and listless men who have left school and are now on the benefits.
Although, specifically ex-army types should be used to organise young and listless men who have left school and are now on the benefits.
And you have to be careful with ex-army types. Dont assume that they're now disiciplined, macho and tough just because they've been soldiering when the fact is that many become dysfunctional and traumatised wrecks and make excellent Liberals.
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Sorry,forgot to mention,the above are actually true,and only a drop in the ocean.
Borstals have not existed in the UK for many,many years. Is that a mistake?
Borstals have not existed in the UK for many,many years. Is that a mistake?
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Waterbearer63: In North America it is illegal for a teacher to strike a child.No slaps,no straps.As a result of this the children now have the schools at their mercy and are free to do whatever they please.Because they know the teacher could be fired and the school district sued by parents, kids have no reason to obey authority.
Teachers have to learn much more then just the subject he is teaching
if he cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen
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i dont disagree with you at all.
The problem comes when the police and courts are forced into baling them under the P.A.C.E act 1984,a very complicated act.
Another is the problem of logistics. Sadly,the juvinile places just dont exist. I agree,build more. Again,anyone attending these doesnt have to be beaten,but disciplined,which can be done in many ways.
The problem comes when the police and courts are forced into baling them under the P.A.C.E act 1984,a very complicated act.
Another is the problem of logistics. Sadly,the juvinile places just dont exist. I agree,build more. Again,anyone attending these doesnt have to be beaten,but disciplined,which can be done in many ways.
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rebel2: i dont disagree with you at all.
The problem comes when the police and courts are forced into baling them under the P.A.C.E act 1984,a very complicated act.
Another is the problem of logistics. Sadly,the juvinile places just dont exist. I agree,build more. Again,anyone attending these doesnt have to be beaten,but disciplined,which can be done in many ways.
The problem comes when the police and courts are forced into baling them under the P.A.C.E act 1984,a very complicated act.
Another is the problem of logistics. Sadly,the juvinile places just dont exist. I agree,build more. Again,anyone attending these doesnt have to be beaten,but disciplined,which can be done in many ways.
Yes discipline doesn't mean violence. I think that is were many people are going wrong. You can have a disciplined household or institution while still treating the kids with respect and love.
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When all said and done,the teacher is there to teach,and should not have to put up with this behaviour.
Granted,there will always be the odd child that will be a "loose canon",and thats when a higher authority steps in and deals with it. Other children are disrupted by this behaviour.
It is up to the perants to direct a child in life,to teach respect,self discipline ect.
Sadly,as society has moved on,many perants do not take that responsibility on,and others like teachers end up trying to deal with the problem.
Granted,there will always be the odd child that will be a "loose canon",and thats when a higher authority steps in and deals with it. Other children are disrupted by this behaviour.
It is up to the perants to direct a child in life,to teach respect,self discipline ect.
Sadly,as society has moved on,many perants do not take that responsibility on,and others like teachers end up trying to deal with the problem.
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I cant argue with what you say.
Many older ones on this site were taught discipline and respect for others by there perants without being beaten.Perants have to take responsibility,with help should they have an unruly child,which does happen.
Many older ones on this site were taught discipline and respect for others by there perants without being beaten.Perants have to take responsibility,with help should they have an unruly child,which does happen.
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Using a strap is NOT 'discipline,' it is punishment. Big difference! I DO believe in discipline.
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A_Non_A_Moose: Work camps!
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Obstinance_Works: Yes, we need to purge our institutions of the decadently effete because they command zero respect from the young(or anybody else who isn't decadently effete).
Although, specifically ex-army types should be used to organise young and listless men who have left school and are now on the benefits.
Although, specifically ex-army types should be used to organise young and listless men who have left school and are now on the benefits.
I don't agree, the problem is NOT the teachers, the problem is the parents. If the parents have your kind of attitude no wonder the children don't respect the teachers, and no amount of close combat training will help! If the parents on sink estates have nothing to aspire to why should their children? What is the point of an education if it leads nowhere? On sink estates schools are looked upon as no more than daytime babysitters. Teachers are there to TEACH not act as substitute parents or security staff. It is about time parents took RESPONSIBILITY for their children rather than blaming teachers or society.
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Iuchi_Zien: I don't agree, the problem is NOT the teachers, the problem is the parents. If the parents have your kind of attitude no wonder the children don't respect the teachers, and no amount of close combat training will help! If the parents on sink estates have nothing to aspire to why should their children? What is the point of an education if it leads nowhere? On sink estates schools are looked upon as no more than daytime babysitters. Teachers are there to TEACH not act as substitute parents or security staff. It is about time parents took RESPONSIBILITY for their children rather than blaming teachers or society.
I agree with you 100%. It`s time parents started taking responsibility for their child`s actions. Parents nowadays are more concerned with chasing the almighty dollar than raising their children properly.Mothers need to get their asses back home raising their children where they belong and leave the money earning to the husband.
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Should the strap be brought back for discipline in schools?.(Vote Below)