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Jul 12, 2013 3:01 PM CSTWho thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes, France113 Threads 36 Polls 9,933 Posts

Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?(Vote Below)

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Oh yes, the US must finance world zionism.
36
38%
Oh no, Israel is a parasite, not an ally.
46
49%
other (explain)
12
13%
Total Votes
94
This is especially for Americans but anybody can vote or comment.

The US has spent more on supporting Israel than for the 50 poorest countries on earth. Why?

Could it be the powerful Jewish lobby and its blatant bribery of US lawmakers?

Or is it that the US people just loooooove Israel and recognize them as God's gift to humanity, no matter how many atrocities they commit against the indigenous people of Palestine, and no matter how many times they attack the US and try to blame it on innocents.
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Jul 12, 2013 3:09 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
GalwayGuy35
GalwayGuy35GalwayGuy35galway, Galway Ireland30 Threads 2,325 Posts
I thought America was broke, why don't they tell these countries to finance themselves.

If I was an American taxpayer I wouldn't be happy about it.
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Jul 12, 2013 3:17 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
I don't think the U.S. should give money to ANY country! Americans work for the money & it should be used IN America, FOR Americans. I don't see other countries ever giving hand-outs to us!
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Jul 12, 2013 3:26 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
Don216
Don216Don216Cocoa, Florida USA1 Threads 611 Posts
KIBALUV: I don't think the U.S. should give money to ANY country! Americans work for the money & it should be used IN America, FOR Americans. I don't see other countries ever giving hand-outs to us!


I like the way you think.

peace
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Jul 12, 2013 3:28 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain9 Threads 8,565 Posts
I think any country that gives another country that sort of money each day needs to have a re-think doh
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Jul 12, 2013 3:32 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
RayfromUSA: This is especially for Americans but anybody can vote or comment.

The US has spent more on supporting Israel than for the 50 poorest countries on earth. Why?

Could it be the powerful Jewish lobby and its blatant bribery of US lawmakers?

Or is it that the US people just loooooove Israel and recognize them as God's gift to humanity, no matter how many atrocities they commit against the indigenous people of Palestine, and no matter how many times they attack the US and try to blame it on innocents.


OR, the USA feels obligated to pay rent for dock space used for one of it's fleets in the area. What do I know.
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Jul 12, 2013 3:34 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
We should not vote about the money to Israel until we first vote on the continuation of the money we give to Russia every day.
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Jul 12, 2013 3:40 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece114 Threads 21,290 Posts
For the OP. What is the percentage of the Jewish Lobby, controling the US economy????
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Jul 12, 2013 3:40 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
confused
chris27292729: For the OP. What is the percentage of the Jewish Lobby, controling the US economy????
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Jul 12, 2013 3:45 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
RayfromUSA: This is especially for Americans but anybody can vote or comment.

The US has spent more on supporting Israel than for the 50 poorest countries on earth. Why?

Could it be the powerful Jewish lobby and its blatant bribery of US lawmakers?

Or is it that the US people just loooooove Israel and recognize them as God's gift to humanity, no matter how many atrocities they commit against the indigenous people of Palestine, and no matter how many times they attack the US and try to blame it on innocents.

Since its not out of my pocket ,Yes...grin
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Jul 12, 2013 3:47 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain9 Threads 8,565 Posts
Just send the money to me,i will put it to good use......honest grin
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Jul 12, 2013 3:51 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
Don216: I like the way you think.


Thanks Don! handshake
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Jul 12, 2013 3:52 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece114 Threads 21,290 Posts
For Galrads. Any substantial economic leverage the Jewish Lobby has over the US economy, it gives them power to dictate to US government,hand outs to Israel
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Jul 12, 2013 3:58 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
chris27292729: For Galrads. Any substantial economic leverage the Jewish Lobby has over the US economy, it gives them power to dictate to US government,hand outs to Israel


yeah but ok, Im just curious how anyone can come up with that percentage. wave
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Jul 12, 2013 4:10 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France113 Threads 36 Polls 9,933 Posts
galrads: OR, the USA feels obligated to pay rent for dock space used for one of it's fleets in the area.

What do I know.


Not much apparently. The US has no naval base in Israel.

US ships do occasionally dock at the port in Eliat for a few days at a time, as they do in many other countries around the world. But 8 million dollars a day, every day of the year (and that's an old figure it's going up to 11 million dollars a day under Obama's new deal) could buy a 5 star permanent base in any country in the world. It's ridiculous to suggest that it's the price of occasional dock space at a regular shipping port.
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Jul 12, 2013 4:18 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
RayfromUSA: This is especially for Americans but anybody can vote or comment.

The US has spent more on supporting Israel than for the 50 poorest countries on earth. Why?

Could it be the powerful Jewish lobby and its blatant bribery of US lawmakers?

Or is it that the US people just loooooove Israel and recognize them as God's gift to humanity, no matter how many atrocities they commit against the indigenous people of Palestine, and no matter how many times they attack the US and try to blame it on innocents.
Geeze, I'm surprised that an inteligent guy like you would create a poll that is so jaded as this one. A good poll doesn't editorialize or make a statement advocating one side or the other. If it does, it's results are less than worthless. Why don't you just come right out and say f*ck Israel?
BTW, the US gives 3 times that much to Egypt.
I'm not in favor of any foreign aid unless it's for a dire emergency.
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Jul 12, 2013 4:36 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
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Transparent,sooo transparent!
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Jul 12, 2013 4:52 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
RayfromUSA: Not much apparently. The US has no naval base in Israel.

US ships do occasionally dock at the port in Eliat for a few days at a time, as they do in many other countries around the world. But 8 million dollars a day, every day of the year (and that's an old figure it's going up to 11 million dollars a day under Obama's new deal) could buy a 5 star permanent base in any country in the world. It's ridiculous to suggest that it's the price of occasional dock space at a regular shipping port.


scold .... Pardone.... the Israeli port of Haifa is the main port of call in the eastern Mediterranean for the United States Sixth Fleet, and Israel provides other logistical and maintenance support for U.S. forces in the region. nothing comes free in the middle east, and we need to pay Israel rent for this dock space.
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Jul 12, 2013 5:01 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA87 Threads 26,944 Posts
The USA should start putting money back into our county and take care of our own.
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Jul 12, 2013 5:03 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
Don216
Don216Don216Cocoa, Florida USA1 Threads 611 Posts
KIBALUV: Thanks Don!


Any time my dear.

wink
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Jul 12, 2013 5:03 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France113 Threads 36 Polls 9,933 Posts
chris27292729: For the OP. What is the percentage of the Jewish Lobby, controling the US economy????


Not sure what you mean by percentage of controlling the economy.

The Jewish lobby has a lot of influence in Congress.

It works like this.
World Jewry funds AIPAC with tens of millions of dollars.
AIPAC uses that money to bribe lawmakers to support Israel to the tune of billions of dollars per year.

Israel lives high.
US politicians live high.
Everybody's happy except the Palestinians and the US taxpayers.

As for the US economy. It is largely controlled by big globalist bankers, many of whom are Jewish. But I don't think they could be considered the "Jewish lobby". They're not generally political. However they do use Zionism as a means to create conflict in the Middle East and thereby open the doors for US military adventurism and control of the region.

I don't think the globalist bankers (whatever their ethnicity) really care about Israel except as a tool or chess-piece to further their own ambitions. It wouldn't surprise me to see them mount a coalition to invade Israel if by doing so they felt they could gain more direct influence over the world at large.

Israel is like a pet wolverine to the globalists.
It keeps the coyotes at bay but it's even more dangerous than they are. And it's extremely demanding, and costly to maintain.

It was a useful tool back when there was danger that a powerful rich Pan-Arab super-state might arise. But it really serves no purpose for the globalists now. I think one day they will turn and mount a coalition to invade and disarm Israel. But only when they think their New World Order is ready to assume total world control.
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Jul 12, 2013 5:09 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
Ccincy: The USA should start putting money back into our county and take care of our own.
thumbs up I agree.
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Jul 12, 2013 5:10 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua26 Threads 2 Polls 1,173 Posts
KIBALUV: I don't think the U.S. should give money to ANY country! Americans work for the money & it should be used IN America, FOR Americans. I don't see other countries ever giving hand-outs to us!


Along with Don, I agree with you also. Someone mentioned Russian aid so I did a little quick research and found this:

to Americans If Americans Knew April 12, 2013

Bit not finding much data on Russia...

The above article says:

(snip) Israel receives more of America’s foreign aid budget than any other nation.

...

Direct Foreign Aid

According to the Congressional Research Service , the amount of official US aid to Israel since its founding in 1948 tops $115 billion, and in the past few decades it has been on the order of $3 billion per year. (In 2013, for example, this amounted to over $8.5 million every single day.)
...

Dr. Thomas Stauffer, a Harvard economist and Middle East studies professor who twice served in the Executive Office of the President, wrote a comprehensive report about all components of the relationship with Israel’s cost to American taxpayers for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs in 2003. He wrote:

"Another element is ad hoc support for Israel, which is not part of the formal foreign aid programs. No comprehensive compilation of US support for Israel has been publicly released. Additional known items include loan guarantees... special contracts for Israeli firms, legal and illegal transfers of marketable US military technology, de facto exemption from US trade protection provisions, and discounted sales or free transfers of 'surplus' US military equipment. An unquantifiable element is the trade and other aid given to Romania and Russia to facilitate Jewish migration to Israel; this has accumulated to many billions of dollars."

Israel has often used its privileged access to US military technology against both the US government and US corporate interests. According to the Associated Press in 2002,

"In France, Turkey, The Netherlands and Finland, Israeli companies have edged such U.S. firms as Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and General Atomics out of arms deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars in recent years. The irony, experts say, is that tens of billions of U.S. tax dollars and transfers of American military technology helped create and nurture Israel's industry, in effect subsidizing a foreign competitor."

The AP article quoted a vice president at the Aerospace Industries Association of America, who bluntly said, "We give them money to build stuff for themselves and the U.S. taxpayer gets nothing in return."(snip)
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Jul 12, 2013 5:26 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
PJ1961: Along with Don, I agree with you also. Someone mentioned Russian aid so I did a little quick research and found this:

to Americans If Americans Knew April 12, 2013

Bit not finding much data on Russia...

The above article says:

(snip) Israel receives more of America’s foreign aid budget than any other nation.

...

Direct Foreign Aid

According to the Congressional Research Service , the amount of official US aid to Israel since its founding in 1948 tops $115 billion, and in the past few decades it has been on the order of $3 billion per year. (In 2013, for example, this amounted to over $8.5 million every single day.)
...

Dr. Thomas Stauffer, a Harvard economist and Middle East studies professor who twice served in the Executive Office of the President, wrote a comprehensive report about all components of the relationship with Israel’s cost to American taxpayers for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs in 2003. He wrote:

"Another element is ad hoc support for Israel, which is not part of the formal foreign aid programs. No comprehensive compilation of US support for Israel has been publicly released. Additional known items include loan guarantees... special contracts for Israeli firms, legal and illegal transfers of marketable US military technology, de facto exemption from US trade protection provisions, and discounted sales or free transfers of 'surplus' US military equipment. An unquantifiable element is the trade and other aid given to Romania and Russia to facilitate Jewish migration to Israel; this has accumulated to many billions of dollars."

Israel has often used its privileged access to US military technology against both the US government and US corporate interests. According to the Associated Press in 2002,

"In France, Turkey, The Netherlands and Finland, Israeli companies have edged such U.S. firms as Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and General Atomics out of arms deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars in recent years. The irony, experts say, is that tens of billions of U.S. tax dollars and transfers of American military technology helped create and nurture Israel's industry, in effect subsidizing a foreign competitor."

The AP article quoted a vice president at the Aerospace Industries Association of America, who bluntly said, "We give them money to build stuff for themselves and the U.S. taxpayer gets nothing in return."(snip)
Weir and Findley!wow
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Jul 12, 2013 5:26 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua26 Threads 2 Polls 1,173 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing

(snip) According to Australia Business Insider:

The Federal Business Opportunities website clearly says “Do not upload ANY classified materials” — but somehow U.S. government employees uploaded at least 1,000 pages of classified Israeli plans for a missile base.

We don’t know whether this classified bid request was uploaded to a public website by someone hostile to Israel, or merely by a lazy, careless, incompetent, disobedient slob. Either way, that employee was a leaker who never should have been given access to classified material.

Will Obama’s snitch patrol start looking for this leaker? The Obama Administration is interested in protecting itself from exposures that could weaken its position of power over US voters and taxpayers. The administration doesn’t give a rat’s patootie about the security of American citizens, much less that of America’s non-Muslim allies. (snip)
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Jul 12, 2013 5:29 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua26 Threads 2 Polls 1,173 Posts
who are Weir and Findley?dunno
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Jul 12, 2013 5:30 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
RayfromUSA: Not sure what you mean by percentage of controlling the economy.

The Jewish lobby has a lot of influence in Congress.

It works like this.
World Jewry funds AIPAC with tens of millions of dollars.
AIPAC uses that money to bribe lawmakers to support Israel to the tune of billions of dollars per year.

Israel lives high.
US politicians live high.
Everybody's happy except the Palestinians and the US taxpayers.

As for the US economy. It is largely controlled by big globalist bankers, many of whom are Jewish. But I don't think they could be considered the "Jewish lobby". They're not generally political. However they do use Zionism as a means to create conflict in the Middle East and thereby open the doors for US military adventurism and control of the region.

I don't think the globalist bankers (whatever their ethnicity) really care about Israel except as a tool or chess-piece to further their own ambitions. It wouldn't surprise me to see them mount a coalition to invade Israel if by doing so they felt they could gain more direct influence over the world at large.

Israel is like a pet wolverine to the globalists.
It keeps the coyotes at bay but it's even more dangerous than they are. And it's extremely demanding, and costly to maintain.

It was a useful tool back when there was danger that a powerful rich Pan-Arab super-state might arise. But it really serves no purpose for the globalists now. I think one day they will turn and mount a coalition to invade and disarm Israel. But only when they think their New World Order is ready to assume total world control.
you've got to be kidding!
Invading Israel!
Hope you send those Invaders enough Bodybags!
They will need them!
So,you really think Israel is a Pushover?
Ray,Ray,Ray!laugh
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Jul 12, 2013 5:31 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
PJ1961: who are Weir and Findley?
check those Chumps out!laugh
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Jul 12, 2013 5:34 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
PJ1961: (snip) According to Australia Business Insider:

The Federal Business Opportunities website clearly says “Do not upload ANY classified materials” — but somehow U.S. government employees uploaded at least 1,000 pages of classified Israeli plans for a missile base.

We don’t know whether this classified bid request was uploaded to a public website by someone hostile to Israel, or merely by a lazy, careless, incompetent, disobedient slob. Either way, that employee was a leaker who never should have been given access to classified material.

Will Obama’s snitch patrol start looking for this leaker? The Obama Administration is interested in protecting itself from exposures that could weaken its position of power over US voters and taxpayers. The administration doesn’t give a rat’s patootie about the security of American citizens, much less that of America’s non-Muslim allies. (snip)
Obamma only gives somewhat of a Crap to Soros,and we know who he is!
We might even see the day when Soros ends up under Obama's Bus!laugh
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Jul 12, 2013 5:35 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua26 Threads 2 Polls 1,173 Posts
Conrad73: check those Chumps out!


ok

Alison Weir is Executive Director If Americans Knew and pro-Arab Congressman Paul Findley of Illinois

so what you are saying then is you don't buy their lines because they have a thing for Israel?
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Jul 12, 2013 5:38 PM CST Who thinks the US should continue giving 8 million dollars a day to Israel?
PJ1961
PJ1961PJ1961Somewhere..., Nicaragua26 Threads 2 Polls 1,173 Posts
btw, I say throw them all under the bus. buncha war mongers.





very mad doh devil
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