Are you in favor of the Obamacare plan? ( Archived) (26)

I have heard the WORDS about obma health care and what trump wants to replace it with but all I have heard trump say ------it is the best------it will help everyone------i will replace Obma but would love to hear the nitty gritty of it all.

Brilliant mate. There's a vast ring-wing conspiracy against the NHS on the internet but for us we love it whether left, right or centre. Please tax us more to pay for our glorious and beloved NHS - that's literally how we feel.

Competition and freedom of choice we don't get it - but I don't think healthcare works like making trousers. there's prestige and a sense of determination without competition as is often the case with the humanitarian - but we also don't get the bureaucracy. There's so little red tape around our system and that's the big reason why it delivers so much more for so much less money. Switzerland has the best the healthcare system in the and more freedom, however, per person they spend 3 or 4 times as much to keep it going. If we spent anywhere near what others spent we'd have the best system in the world by a great margin.

Yet none of my arguments in favour of the NHS apply very well to Obamacare. Our system was designed for an island - the sea barrier is Trump's wall times ten. And single-payer could only be founded by an homogeneous and proud people. Diversity erodes the sense that a government and any of its institutions act for the good of all citizens the reason being that diversity has low trust and a very weak common conception of "good", the common conception of good being the root of all good.

The only good idea I heard from Trump was interstate competition, but even that may have a downside

Besides, Trump for years has said he wants universal healthcare. Oh, the last bill he pushed eliminates a huge number of Americans from healthcare.
Trump stands for nothing that anyone knows of and for everything under the sun.
Psychotic delusional,grandiose, utterly incompetent? No one really knows.
In New York he was known as the worlds biggest thousandaire for awhile.
No one really knows for sure but the IRS.
Reagan swore he never dyed his hair jet black for eight years. America swooned.
No one but his hairdresser knew for sure. Now we all know.

We have Medicare... I think it was during Bob Hawkes time as PM, the idea of a National Identity card was put out there. Nobody wanted it at all, the idea was put to sleep.

Then 6 months later, every Australian has a Medicare card with pretty much the same info on it...

Ambulances used to cost a fortune if you needed one, now an extra charge on our electricity bill (in Queensland) covers that.

And now they put ads on TV saying not to go to hospital unless its really serious, when you do go to hospital you'll be asked for a solid 15 minutes why you didnt pay to see a doctor privately (if you're of white complexion).

Also, they are trying to make private health insurance compulsory, despite many private patients being treated at public hospitals. And premiums are all age-based. For somebody my age to join now, would probably be 40 or 50 bucks each week. Optical/dental/everything else not covered, the only advantage being not having to share a room generally.

If you can sort out the downsides, and dont expect to turn any profit on the deal, its very fair socially.