What do you vote? Should these forms of 'bevevolent sexism' like a man holding a door open for a female, or to help her with shopping bags, giving her advice on a subject a male might excel more at.. be stopped?
There is interesting psychology behind letting another walk through a door first. I remember seeing a documentary on it some point, and it contained a funny clip of Begin and Arafat battling it out at a door, each trying to get the other to walk through first. Really was hillarious to observe, in a kind of tragic way obviously considering the political/human background. But it appears indeed that the one who holds the door open and makes the other walk through, is the alpha/in a higher power position.
So feminists could have a valid point there, but guess it comes down to whether we as individuals actually quite like our traditional door holding rituals and that BECAUSE of their 'benevolent sexism'?
I agree with you but its nice when a woman opens the door for me though unusual, also wonde why a woman nevr buys flowers for men on valentines or choclates we like those things to !!!
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Tomcats2: I agree with you but its nice when a woman opens the door for me though unusual, also wonde why a woman nevr buys flowers for men on valentines or choclates we like those things to !!!
Morning Fangs
Morning and here, just to make the morning a good one lol
I hate cut flowers, they wither I see them as a bad omen
And I will hold doors open, but I have observed what I feel when I do, and it tends to be a 'there there ' feeling I get from it, while when a door is opened for me and I walk through it is a feeling instead hehe
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mjpd67: you just can win in todays society the goal posts are being moved radically all the time ,move over that ostrich im joining you
That's where the law of the fittest comes into play - only the strong ostriches who can hold their breath in the sand long enough with head stuck in sand may survive
do people really read into situations that deeply,as far as im concerned its only common coutesy to hold a door open for a lady/old person.having said that not all females are ladies
Personally I always saw it as good old fashioned manners with no feminist/political slant, for men to hold doors open for women. Its simply a nice gesture. Jmo
benni2: do people really read into situations that deeply,as far as im concerned its only common coutesy to hold a door open for a lady/old person.having said that not all females are ladies
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Yes, things are getting more and more messed up, and I do feel for males, but then again.. be one and choose your own path according on what you want and like
..but it really is not just a curtesy thing. There seems to be deep psychology at work, something to do with the weaker, more vulnerable, less 'powerful' when it comes to these type of 'coretsy' or 'benevolent' acts.
I never thought I'd end living in a world where this could become an issue, but it appears it really is becoming one
benni2: do people really read into situations that deeply,as far as im concerned its only common coutesy to hold a door open for a lady/old person.having said that not all females are ladies
Good man benni its common courtesy I think some people go into too much depth on the forums, they need exercise and fresh air .Up tipp
but I like thinking, and nothing wrong with some depths at times
Nothing wrong with depth my dear once its balanced, leaving the car lights on all night im sure the battery would be dead in the morning, metaphorically speaking
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jamiethekid: Nothing wrong with depth my dear once its balanced, leaving the car lights on all night im sure the battery would be dead in the morning, metaphorically speaking
LOL, that doesn't just apply for thinking alone though
tinyfangsOPunder a rock, Leitrim Ireland1,034 posts
mjpd67: its all a power struggle
What power is actually struggled over though, that's what confuzzles me at times
There will never be a world of full equality, that is not valid in this set-up, and same as males pet us on the head at times over certain things, we pet males on the head in return on other subjects. I just fear we might be heading for a world where no one will help anyone anymore, because its 'benevolent', when benevolence can be a very nice thing, for all parties involved.
think it shows someones outlook really...powerful/weak/.. i just see people, and one can help the other...and sometimes they do. powergames are pointless around some people. me being one of them.
but yeah i suppose when i look around n the people i see are that sooo concerned with where they are in the social and blah foodchain of humans, then yes..it would possibly matter more to them.
tinyfangs: What power is actually struggled over though, that's what confuzzles me at times
There will never be a world of full equality, that is not valid in this set-up, and same as males pet us on the head at times over certain things, we pet males on the head in return on other subjects. I just fear we might be heading for a world where no one will help anyone anymore, because its 'benevolent', when benevolence can be a very nice thing, for all parties involved.
in my opion men and women are like our domestic cats and dogs we can live together love one another eat together ,but a huge thing could flare up over the least little thing and thats in lay mans terms not gonna get to techno
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fifitheminx: think it shows someones outlook really...powerful/weak/.. i just see people, and one can help the other...and sometimes they do. powergames are pointless around some people. me being one of them.
but yeah i suppose when i look around n the people i see are that sooo concerned with where they are in the social and blah foodchain of humans, then yes..it would possibly matter more to them.
That's an aimable attitude and one I share, but there are instincts and psychologies at work that we are not always aware of. Thing is though all gets studied now, and then some falls into hands who will try use it for their agendas. Advertising is as much part of this as feminists picking door opening, while conveniently ignoring other parts of psychology and nature.
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mjpd67: in my opion men and women are like our domestic cats and dogs we can live together love one another eat together ,but a huge thing could flare up over the least little thing and thats in lay mans terms not gonna get to techno
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tinyfangsOPunder a rock, Leitrim Ireland1,034 posts
fifitheminx: yep there is always someone willing to use a study or a religious book to push their own hate or agenda onto others.
studies are only as good as their respondents, and as honest as they are both to themselves and things they answer also.
Issue to me seems though that those with agends are the driven ones, and while the rest of us just kicks balls around (NO pun intended! ) they are changing the playing field right under our feet
mjpd67: see we can get along nice pic ,must dash nice yapping
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Reason I made the poll is to see what the people just kicking about actually do think about it, for kid yourself not - the playing field IS being changed, and I think it will get worse (well, worse in my view )
is this really a power struggle? it's simple common courtesy to open a door or hold one open for another person...as much as a "thank you" is from the one walking through said open door
If no one got killed, and no one suffered debilitating injury because I held a door open, then that is all I really need to know, I don't care if some of the PC brigades feathers get ruffled or their egos get bruised, like I said, if they don't like me holding the door open, I got no problem slamming it in their face.
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MarsMan: If no one got killed, and no one suffered debilitating injury because I held a door open, then that is all I really need to know, I don't care if some of the PC brigades feathers get ruffled or their egos get bruised, like I said, if they don't like me holding the door open, I got no problem slamming it in their face.
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To hold or not to hold - a door open...(Vote Below)
What do you vote? Should these forms of 'bevevolent sexism' like a man holding a door open for a female, or to help her with shopping bags, giving her advice on a subject a male might excel more at.. be stopped?
There is interesting psychology behind letting another walk through a door first. I remember seeing a documentary on it some point, and it contained a funny clip of Begin and Arafat battling it out at a door, each trying to get the other to walk through first. Really was hillarious to observe, in a kind of tragic way obviously considering the political/human background.
But it appears indeed that the one who holds the door open and makes the other walk through, is the alpha/in a higher power position.
So feminists could have a valid point there, but guess it comes down to whether we as individuals actually quite like our traditional door holding rituals and that BECAUSE of their 'benevolent sexism'?
? ?