Is torture ever acceptable? (67)
GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 PostsHotrodLarrys: well I didnt want to put blood and guts into it, but I have seen people crushed, killed,and had a few of my own experiences, say no more, and effects happen to everyone, no mater what anyone experienced, affects all of us on a different scale, I also did mention mental, Phisical, Physological Ect....WE ALL Have been down a road! Yes, I will contiue to leave it vague...
Well, if policemen would ask please a declaration to the suspects, probably the suspects will ask for a coffee and a little calm to think about it.
pedalguy59: Not if you read Cuddling Souls version.
Terrorist are not protected by the rules of war. They can expect a variety of negative treatment. Terrorize not, lest ye be terrorized. 
CuddlingSoul: Terrorist are not protected by the rules of war. They can expect a variety of negative treatment. Terrorize not, lest ye be terrorized.
Or a freedom fighter. It is amazing in N. America all theT shirts and posters of Che Guevera, yet he was a terrorist.
pedalguy59: Sounds like pleasure to some.
Some would say;you can catch more flays with honey than with vinegar
Dedovix: Some would say;you can catch more flays with honey than with vinegar
I think you meant Flies.pedalguy59: I think you meant Flies.
right, seems I made a boo-boo
jac379: How will you ascertain you have the right person who has kidnapped the five year old child within a useful time limit?
Trial and error.
Girljuice: For example: A terrorist is captured and being interrogated. He/she refuses to give up any information.
Is it acceptable to torture him/her in order to get the information needed?
Is it acceptable to torture him/her in order to get the information needed?
Define terrorist.
The minutemen of Massachusetts had no uniforms and they were firing upon the soldiers of their lawful government.
Were they terrorists or freedom fighters?
I think it depends on which side you are on.
If due process doesn't apply to everybody then there is no due process, only hypocrisy.
No torture is NEVER acceptable under any circumstance! It doesnt work! You torture someone long enough and they will admit to anything and what they dont know they will make up as they go.
What works is the Stockholm Syndrome. Make your captive see you in the same light as themselves. Talk about family, friends, children. There are many psychological ways to extract information from someone and TORTURE isn't one of them.
What works is the Stockholm Syndrome. Make your captive see you in the same light as themselves. Talk about family, friends, children. There are many psychological ways to extract information from someone and TORTURE isn't one of them.
One thing though if its a Muslim terrorist put him in a room with 72 woman suffering from pms
Sorry, but after being tortured as a child, I will never be tortured again.
You will suffer or gain for my torture.
So information needed will not be given because of torture.
You will suffer or gain for my torture.
So information needed will not be given because of torture.
Torture: there are many kinds of torture. We all suffer from it daily, most from politicians.
Oregongold: Torture: there are many kinds of torture. We all suffer from it daily, most from politicians.
and PR consultants I wonder if those against torture, realize that in a terrorist act, you were all tortured.. 9/11, Lockerbie. But yet you don't want it stopped. How about the next terrorist we catch, we just cut off his head? end of story.
Oregongold: I wonder if those against torture, realize that in a terrorist act, you were all tortured.. 9/11, Lockerbie. But yet you don't want it stopped. How about the next terrorist we catch, we just cut off his head? end of story.
An eye for an eye is it
serene56: I think there are grounds for the death sentence.Torture, no.
Isnt a death sentence torture as well?
Oregongold: Isnt a death sentence torture as well?
I imagine you mean in the lead up to the actual event
serene56: I imagine you mean in the lead up to the actual event
Wow, for someone who doesn't like torture, is in favor of death sentences. So tell me what is the difference between torture and a death sentence?
Oregongold: Wow, for someone who doesn't like torture, is in favor of death sentences. So tell me what is the difference between torture and a death sentence?
If I were to be in the hellish position where I had to decide a person's fate, I would put them to death.
To make a human being suffer, even when they have made another do so, is not within my realms of humanity.
serene56: If I were to be in the hellish position where I had to decide a person's fate, I would put them to death.
To make a human being suffer, even when they have made another do so, is not within my realms of humanity.
To make a human being suffer, even when they have made another do so, is not within my realms of humanity.
Hypocrisy is funny, and you said it very well.Oregongold: Hypocrisy is funny, and you said it very well.
Oh thanks
lolSo please humour me and give me your view
During WW-II the Germans regularly used torture against French prisoners to try to defeat the French resistance. It failed. What has changed? Even if you ignore international law making the use of torture illegal Torture creates more problems than it solves.
Firstly the information is not trustworthy, anybody who bases their actions on uncorroborated torture evidence is a complete fool.
Secondly it creates a precedence for other nations. I am amazed that other countries have not taken advantage of the precedence set by the US to open their own 'Gitmos' Particularly countries with internal unrest or terrorism issues. I do wonder how the US would respond if Russian authorities (as an example ) arrested US 'human right's protesters' as potential terrorist and held them without charge and incommunicado for an indefinite period? How would the US respond to the argument that if it is internationally legal for the US why not us? Also with the use of torture, and evidence based upon that torture it would not be difficult for those detained to be 'encouraged' to admit their participation in treasonous acts.
Firstly the information is not trustworthy, anybody who bases their actions on uncorroborated torture evidence is a complete fool.
Secondly it creates a precedence for other nations. I am amazed that other countries have not taken advantage of the precedence set by the US to open their own 'Gitmos' Particularly countries with internal unrest or terrorism issues. I do wonder how the US would respond if Russian authorities (as an example ) arrested US 'human right's protesters' as potential terrorist and held them without charge and incommunicado for an indefinite period? How would the US respond to the argument that if it is internationally legal for the US why not us? Also with the use of torture, and evidence based upon that torture it would not be difficult for those detained to be 'encouraged' to admit their participation in treasonous acts.
serene56: Oh thanks lolSo please humour me and give me your view
Torture the person still lives, plus they would see how it feels as well. Death Sentence is finding the person guilty of a crime of murder. Granted one really has a Permanente end.
Now if I had my way, the victim of the family should pick the death sentence on how the person dies. Put it on pay per view;) But if you don't like the punishment, don't do the crime.
Oregongold: Torture the person still lives, plus they would see how it feels as well. Death Sentence is finding the person guilty of a crime of murder. Granted one really has a Permanente end.
Now if I had my way, the victim of the family should pick the death sentence on how the person dies. Put it on pay per view;) But if you don't like the punishment, don't do the crime.
Now if I had my way, the victim of the family should pick the death sentence on how the person dies. Put it on pay per view;) But if you don't like the punishment, don't do the crime.
Yeah, yours is an emotive response which may come from a personal experience and if that is the case, I am truly sorry.
However, the topic is whether torture is acceptable.
And I still say no.
serene56: Yeah, yours is an emotive response which may come from a personal experience and if that is the case, I am truly sorry.
However, the topic is whether torture is acceptable.
And I still say no.
However, the topic is whether torture is acceptable.
And I still say no.
I respect your opinion, I truly do. This is one of the most civil debates I have seen. :)
hmmmm torture does give unreliable information.....,
Oregongold: I respect your opinion, I truly do. This is one of the most civil debates I have seen. :)
Thank you Oregon
I was interested in your views
Iuchi_Zien: During WW-II the Germans regularly used torture against French prisoners to try to defeat the French resistance. It failed. What has changed? Even if you ignore international law making the use of torture illegal Torture creates more problems than it solves.
Firstly the information is not trustworthy, anybody who bases their actions on uncorroborated torture evidence is a complete fool.
Secondly it creates a precedence for other nations. I am amazed that other countries have not taken advantage of the precedence set by the US to open their own 'Gitmos' Particularly countries with internal unrest or terrorism issues. I do wonder how the US would respond if Russian authorities (as an example ) arrested US 'human right's protesters' as potential terrorist and held them without charge and incommunicado for an indefinite period? How would the US respond to the argument that if it is internationally legal for the US why not us? Also with the use of torture, and evidence based upon that torture it would not be difficult for those detained to be 'encouraged' to admit their participation in treasonous acts.
Firstly the information is not trustworthy, anybody who bases their actions on uncorroborated torture evidence is a complete fool.
Secondly it creates a precedence for other nations. I am amazed that other countries have not taken advantage of the precedence set by the US to open their own 'Gitmos' Particularly countries with internal unrest or terrorism issues. I do wonder how the US would respond if Russian authorities (as an example ) arrested US 'human right's protesters' as potential terrorist and held them without charge and incommunicado for an indefinite period? How would the US respond to the argument that if it is internationally legal for the US why not us? Also with the use of torture, and evidence based upon that torture it would not be difficult for those detained to be 'encouraged' to admit their participation in treasonous acts.
good points, interesting about russia....who do you think may have opened gitmos?
serene56: Thank you Oregon I was interested in your views
Likewise my friend.
Oregongold: Likewise my friend.
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