Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums? (103)

Jan 24, 2014 6:01 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland26 Threads 3,448 Posts
tinyfangs:

And yes LadyBlackAdder, I fully agree, people can be touchy, and any comments on such situations should be made with caution and emotional consideration, all the more when voiced in a way that could lead to misinterpretation, but hey - that's where we females by nature should shine, while males.. ahem.. tend to have feet like elephants


Is it strange that I feel that is wronging men by assuming that they will be less sensitive in their dealings with others than women? From my own experiences in life, it is not whether someone is male or female that makes them empathetic to others but something in their own, individual natures.

I also find it strange that a sensitive soul like you appear to be would describe it as being "touchy" but that may be my interpretation of that word. It brings to mind being "huffy" or "tetchy", not kind words to use in relation to peoples' sensitivities.
Jan 24, 2014 6:07 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland211 Threads 7 Polls 9,916 Posts
Fraya: Your avenue of interpretation has been voiced, analysed and nuked many times

All men having feet like elephants? Very sexist of you
my little trunk shrunk with embarrassment blushing
Jan 24, 2014 6:15 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
Fraya
FrayaFrayaCork, Ireland2 Threads 6,011 Posts
mjpd67: my little trunk shrunk with embarrassment


Embarrassment? I was expecting indignation...
Jan 24, 2014 6:16 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland211 Threads 7 Polls 9,916 Posts
Fraya: Embarrassment? I was expecting indignation...
as long as your not expecting wine
Jan 24, 2014 6:22 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland26 Threads 3,448 Posts
MADDOG69: You know while this thread is about Feminism, you should be aware that Feminists.. and I mean ideologically puritan feminists (not the radicals BTW) will go on to support the CHOICE of men walking away from their child. The feminists we hear about a lot are the mad ones trying to save the pubic crabs from extinction etc.. But the puritan ones that have input with law makers, creep on by.



Read that title.

If someone was to say on this forum that the feminist agenda is just using normal women's concerns to break up society for the gain of the state, they would be 100% true.

So... should these succeed it means that I can go and bang whoever I want, get as many women pregnant as I want and never ever have to consider being a father by law. I can simple declare that I never wanted to be a father. There would be no child support, no court dates or court orders. Nothing.
I think that some men, no matter what the law, will never bow under the yoke of fatherhood while other men will always embrace it freely and happily. I only read the heading of your link. Right at the moment, I really don't want to read what might be happening in the US or anywhere else in the world. What's happening in Ireland is enough to be dealing with right now.
Jan 24, 2014 6:31 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
LadyBlackAdder: I think that some men, no matter what the law, will never bow under the yoke of fatherhood while other men will always embrace it freely and happily. I only read the heading of your link. Right at the moment, I really don't want to read what might be happening in the US or anywhere else in the world. What's happening in Ireland is enough to be dealing with right now.

It will be here for two reasons among others: 1) We have almost the same rate as single parents as the US. 2) The government will sooner or later want to enact the same philosophy to cover it's expenses as the US do and are legislating for. It's merely a matter of time.
Jan 24, 2014 6:31 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
facetowardsfront
facetowardsfrontfacetowardsfrontCork, Ireland78 Threads 2 Polls 5,910 Posts
WittyandWise: Masculism, the right for rights of a man, equivalent of feminism, therefore everything they say about feminists applies to them surely, after all they are only fighting for the rights of men


You're sorta right but dead wrong. The Masculinists are indeed the polar opposite of Feminists. They are gender supremacists.

Men's rights advocates and men going their own way as well as other groups like father's rights are only looking for basic human rights for men.

But Feminists don't seem to have a problem with the misogynist Masculinists even though they are overtly and proudly misogynistic. Funny that? It's a bit like the way the rad fems love Eminem who is an utter misogynist son of a single mother. Why is that? He writes songs about raping and killing 'Bit*hes' if they don't suck him off properly. Why do Feminists love Eminem? Is it because they are the real misogynists?


Jan 24, 2014 6:32 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
tinyfangs
tinyfangstinyfangsunder a rock, Leitrim Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 1,949 Posts
Fraya: All men having feet like elephants? Very sexist of you

Unless you don't care what gender you bang, I'd say you are sexist too batting laugh

LadyBlackAdder: Is it strange that I feel that is wronging men by assuming that they will be less sensitive in their dealings with others than women? From my own experiences in life, it is not whether someone is male or female that makes them empathetic to others but something in their own, individual natures.

I also find it strange that a sensitive soul like you appear to be would describe it as being "touchy" but that may be my interpretation of that word. It brings to mind being "huffy" or "tetchy", not kind words to use in relation to peoples' sensitivities.

Is it wrong to assume men on average have more physical strength than women? Is it wrong to assume females on average have less special awareness? And I think many males will agree that they are less 'sensitive' in ways that females are sensitive. I don't see that as wronging males. Females by nature were the ones designed to tend to the young, while males were the ones doing killing, so I would assume there to be some differences, alas maybe I am indeed wrong, it just seems to match my personal experience in life, and I never found that a bad thing what I experienced, nothing 'better' or 'worse' for me personally, just slight differences.

Touchy to me carries no negative, but apologies if it does to others.
And btw,, I found myself a single parent with 2 little boys and a baby girl on the way, with no physical, emotional or financial support at the time. I know very well how hard it can be *smiles and bows head*
Jan 24, 2014 6:38 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland26 Threads 3,448 Posts
MADDOG69: It will be here for two reasons among others: 1) We have almost the same rate as single parents as the US. 2) The government will sooner or later want to enact the same philosophy to cover it's expenses as the US do and are legislating for. It's merely a matter of time.
I won't say you're not right, MD but some laws don't make a lot of difference to the personal lives of some people. Some fathers will always step up and some will never do it.
Jan 24, 2014 6:52 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
LadyBlackAdder: I won't say you're not right, MD but some laws don't make a lot of difference to the personal lives of some people. Some fathers will always step up and some will never do it.

The latter is true of course. But... you're not considering the ultimate goal of all this is money: Court ordered payments to support the child. We don't have to consider whether the man wants to be a Daddy or not.

IN practice what this might all boil down to... the real father of the child can Declare he never consented to be a father under these new ideas of Fatherhood. Then down the line the single mother gets involved in a relationship with a man. The Authorities, under new definitions of fatherhood, will attach to him the obligation of being a father and they will hunt him down for any Child Support that they deem him to owe...... after that relationship was ended also.

As it stand now, the Authorities there will do anything to attach Child Support to a man to reclaim their own Social Welfare payments. Recently a lesbian couple who accepted a sperm donation from a man, lost their well paid jobs, claimed welfare. Then the Authorities hunted down the sperm donor, and proclaimed him the Father under their current rules even, and now force him to Pay. While that practice contradicts what I think might eventually happens, it shows you the mentality and desperation of the authorities to nail someone for the clawback on their own welfare payments. Redefining fatherhood will make it very easy for them in future to do this.
Jan 24, 2014 6:54 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
LadyBlackAdder
LadyBlackAdderLadyBlackAdderKillarney, Kerry Ireland26 Threads 3,448 Posts
tinyfangs: Unless you don't care what gender you bang, I'd say you are sexist too Is it wrong to assume men on average have more physical strength than women? Is it wrong to assume females on average have less special awareness? And I think many males will agree that they are less 'sensitive' in ways that females are sensitive. I don't see that as wronging males. Females by nature were the ones designed to tend to the young, while males were the ones doing killing, so I would assume there to be some differences, alas maybe I am indeed wrong, it just seems to match my personal experience in life, and I never found that a bad thing what I experienced, nothing 'better' or 'worse' for me personally, just slight differences.

Touchy to me carries no negative, but apologies if it does to others.
And btw,, I found myself a single parent with 2 little boys and a baby girl on the way, with no physical, emotional or financial support at the time. I know very well how hard it can be *smiles and bows head*
I guess it does have to do with our personal experiences then. I have found men to be just as sensitive in many ways as women are although they can show it differently sometimes. They are certainly just as "touchy" laugh
Jan 25, 2014 7:52 AM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
fifitrixibelle
fifitrixibellefifitrixibellegalway, Galway Ireland28 Threads 1 Polls 7,907 Posts
MADDOG69: Can't argue with that really, fair play. But a thing I'm wondering about is why does Ireland have one of the highest levels of children in single parent households now? It's about 25% now.
Could only hazard a few guesses at that one, rise in unemployment, especially in younger population & our welfare system being better than other countries, SOME guys having no sense of responsibility, the recent introduction of divorce too , religion not as powerful as before, more couples living together as opposed to getting married so its easier, legally anyway , to walk away when things get tough, cheaper alcohol,violence, more support for women/men being abused, so people dont have to stay in bad marriages?? Am sure there are other reasons too, dont know the statistics compared to other countries, am sure someone will google it laugh
Jan 25, 2014 5:31 PM CST Is Feminism or Feminist an over used word on the Irish Forums?
facetowardsfront
facetowardsfrontfacetowardsfrontCork, Ireland78 Threads 2 Polls 5,910 Posts
MADDOG69: We don't have to consider whether the man wants to be a Daddy or not


That's true. Choice is with the woman, not the man. Her body, her choice. His body, her choice. The State enables this situation because it suits their agenda of breaking up families and marginalising men. A strong community of men within families are a threat to the power of the State. A large community of single mothers are submissive little biaches for the State. They support it, they defend it and they want more of it because they don't need a man..... just the State.
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