alexkhan: This poll is just to get some understanding on what people think of muslims and a British identity.
I don't understand why one's location in a country is related to one's religion? Of course, as an American, were we left England for religious freedom or to a country that separates church and state.
Well, actually I understand the philosophic point of view, I just don't agree with it.
alexkhan: This poll is just to get some understanding on what people think of muslims and a British identity.
I would think you could follow any religion as is your choice. I am lucky to be a free person so could follow what I like regardless. I am an atheist though.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
Are you wondering how truly ignorant some people are in Britain?
A South African woman I know applied for British citizenship and showed me her guide book to becoming British that she was supposed to learn and be tested upon.
It included shed loads of historical and cultural information, almost to the point of the colour of Winston Churchill's underpants on any given day. I had no idea about most of the stuff in this book, and yet I have British citizenship simply by virtue of being born here as a second generation immigrant.
Life has a lot of luck involved. To derogate those who are less lucky, is bizarre.
alexkhan: This poll is just to get some understanding on what people think of muslims and a British identity.
They can do, but will they do is the important question. Or more importantly;
Will enough British Muslims place Britain before Islam? Will they stand by us against the Muslims in Britain that don't do this? Will they fight against PC thugs and posturing Marxists that want to turn Britain into a third world hole in the ground? Will Muslims stop supporting labour and liberals in droves, even though you disagree on nearly everything else, just because of the lab/lib open border and anti-native policies?
jac379: Are you wondering how truly ignorant some people are in Britain?
A South African woman I know applied for British citizenship and showed me her guide book to becoming British that she was supposed to learn and be tested upon.
It included shed loads of historical and cultural information, almost to the point of the colour of Winston Churchill's underpants on any given day. I had no idea about most of the stuff in this book, and yet I have British citizenship simply by virtue of being born here as a second generation immigrant.
Life has a lot of luck involved. To derogate those who are less lucky, is bizarre.
I'd gladly kick you out of Britain in favour of a Muslim. They don't come any less British than you.
JeanKimberley: I don't understand why one's location in a country is related to one's religion? Of course, as an American, were we left England for religious freedom or to a country that separates church and state.
Well, actually I understand the philosophic point of view, I just don't agree with it.
Jean I fully agree with you personally. I have lived and worked in the States and was never made to feel unwelcome in any way. I put this poll up just to see how many different shades of opinion there are out there.
jac379: Are you wondering how truly ignorant some people are in Britain?
A South African woman I know applied for British citizenship and showed me her guide book to becoming British that she was supposed to learn and be tested upon.
It included shed loads of historical and cultural information, almost to the point of the colour of Winston Churchill's underpants on any given day. I had no idea about most of the stuff in this book, and yet I have British citizenship simply by virtue of being born here as a second generation immigrant.
Life has a lot of luck involved. To derogate those who are less lucky, is bizarre.
I have seen the book you mention, they now have to pass a test on it called the 'life in Britain' test. I wonder how many so-called flag waving 'native' brits would pass the test? (not that many I suspect).
Redex: I would think you could follow any religion as is your choice. I am lucky to be a free person so could follow what I like regardless. I am an atheist though.
I have been interested in your question as to the facts and not to just how I feel. I find to be a muslim your father must be a muslim whether you go on to have ilsam as your religion is another matter. I still say in the main in Britain you can be what you want as long as you adhere to the laws of the land first. That would be anywhere in my opinion when in Rome and all of that. Good poll makes one think past the surface
Redex: I have been interested in your question as to the facts and not to just how I feel. I find to be a muslim your father must be a muslim whether you go on to have ilsam as your religion is another matter. I still say in the main in Britain you can be what you want as long as you adhere to the laws of the land first. That would be anywhere in my opinion when in Rome and all of that. Good poll makes one think past the surface
Your parents do not have to be muslim for you to be a muslim, I think that can be said for any religion (except Judaism I believe), your parents do not have to be muslim for you to accept any religion (or none).
I posted this poll because i have many friends that were not born muslims but became muslims of their own accord (not through any proselytising on my part i might add!)and their heritage has been from the United Kingdom, be it Irish or English or Scottish or Welsh. I wanted to see how people percieve British identity an also how people perceive Muslims.
alexkhan: Your parents do not have to be muslim for you to be a muslim, I think that can be said for any religion (except Judaism I believe), your parents do not have to be muslim for you to accept any religion (or none).
I posted this poll because i have many friends that were not born muslims but became muslims of their own accord (not through any proselytising on my part i might add!)and their heritage has been from the United Kingdom, be it Irish or English or Scottish or Welsh. I wanted to see how people percieve British identity an also how people perceive Muslims.
Well I looked up wikie leaks as to the definition of Muslim, so reckon my own thought first off where on the right tracks. I do not think you would get many answers here uk forum has been very quiet of late, plus people do not like arguments and this subject could be subject to that given the course of things in the world at the moment. But in my opinion it has ever been so religion since way way back has always caused discord when its meant to cause peace. funny old world we live in.
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
alexkhan: I do apologise for not making the options as comprehensive as i should have.
I thought I had covered most options but maybe i haven't.
There's no need to apologise, I'm just pointing out you might not get an informative picture from the voting.
I would have voted for options one, two and three (and depending on the circumstances option four as well, such as a refusal of British citizenship). If I vote for just one option, I'm kind of saying the other options are not true which is inaccurate.
It's often useful on polls to have an option which says 'other' and then people can comment with their explanation as to why they voted for that option.
jac379: There's no need to apologise, I'm just pointing out you might not get an informative picture from the voting.
I would have voted for options one, two and three (and depending on the circumstances option four as well, such as a refusal of British citizenship). If I vote for just one option, I'm kind of saying the other options are not true which is inaccurate.
It's often useful on polls to have an option which says 'other' and then people can comment with their explanation as to why they voted for that option.
Obstinance_Works: They can do, but will they do is the important question. Or more importantly;
Will enough British Muslims place Britain before Islam? Will they stand by us against the Muslims in Britain that don't do this? Will they fight against PC thugs and posturing Marxists that want to turn Britain into a third world hole in the ground? Will Muslims stop supporting labour and liberals in droves, even though you disagree on nearly everything else, just because of the lab/lib open border and anti-native policies?
It should never be an issue of country before faith. Your political persuasion should have nothing to do with your religion, thats like saying if your catholic you should not be voting lib Dem!
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
Obstinance_Works: I'd gladly kick you out of Britain in favour of a Muslim. They don't come any less British than you.
Being a second (or is it third) generation immigrant yourself, it's likely you do recognise non-British traits in myself. We have some non-British culture in common, don't we?
Jun 28, 2014 7:47 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
kettlesonFAR FROM Liverpool, Merseyside, England UK414 Posts
kettlesonFAR FROM Liverpool, Merseyside, England UK414 posts
Ive lived in the past in a Ghetto with Muslims for 18 month . Yes it was a culture shock {for me }as they iether DONT want to integrate or Cant {as we are mere Infidels }.
White Women are Dogs {and will be treated as such } us Men are not far behind apparently } A lot do not want to Integrate {with whom they class as Infidels} Were these teachings have come from , Gord only knows .
Ive lived in France {i love the place }but iff i were to try and force British {English }culture on them i would have been run out of the place .
Personally i dont think all Muslims are a problem , but there is a certain sector were the problems are coming from .
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
kettleson: Ive lived in the past in a Ghetto with Muslims for 18 month . Yes it was a culture shock {for me }as they iether DONT want to integrate or Cant {as we are mere Infidels }.
White Women are Dogs {and will be treated as such } us Men are not far behind apparently } A lot do not want to Integrate {with whom they class as Infidels} Were these teachings have come from , Gord only knows .
Ive lived in France {i love the place }but iff i were to try and force British {English }culture on them i would have been run out of the place .
Personally i dont think all Muslims are a problem , but there is a certain sector were the problems are coming from .
Here in Wales if you come from the next village, you're considered a foreigner. That was the basis for one of the best jokes in Gavin and Stacey.
It happens everywhere with some people and some communities. Others not.
It's also a dynamic. For cultures to integrate, it takes both sides being open. I'm not saying you weren't open, but some British people aren't any more open than some Muslim people. Others get on well. I've never had an issue with the Muslim people I've worked, or socialised with.
Jun 28, 2014 8:55 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
kettlesonFAR FROM Liverpool, Merseyside, England UK414 Posts
kettlesonFAR FROM Liverpool, Merseyside, England UK414 posts
jac379: Here in Wales if you come from the next village, you're considered a foreigner. That was the basis for one of the best jokes in Gavin and Stacey.
It happens everywhere with some people and some communities. Others not.
It's also a dynamic. For cultures to integrate, it takes both sides being open. I'm not saying you weren't open, but some British people aren't any more open than some Muslim people. Others get on well. I've never had an issue with the Muslim people I've worked, or socialised with.
Hello Jac ,
I agree with your comments .
I also have no problem with people who have there own religion ,
Though i think i maybe drifting into some aspects of Anti Western mindsets i have encountered by some . So maybe i should not post any more , but certainly i know that there are some that would be better off going back to Mecca iff all they are here for is to promote teachings from the Mosque ,apparently written in Stone and no compromises given .
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
kettleson: Hello Jac ,
I agree with your comments .
I also have no problem with people who have there own religion ,
Though i think i maybe drifting into some aspects of Anti Western mindsets i have encountered by some . So maybe i should not post any more , but certainly i know that there are some that would be better off going back to Mecca iff all they are here for is to promote teachings from the Mosque ,apparently written in Stone and no compromises given .
So where would the Christians who are like that be better off going back to?
Hmmm seems like the ignorant sheep who follow other sheep blindly have been brought out by this poll, judging from some of the comments, such as winthrop etc. (How many 'savage' aborigines were murdered by the earky Australian settlers? who were the savages in that context?)
As they say don't judge a book by its cover, so don't judge every muslim by the actions of a very tiny minority. would you judge all catholics across the world by the actions of the IRA in ireland? I happen to have had a relative murdered by the IRA in the 70's but that doesn't mean i judge all irish or all catholics as terrorists.
Some people need to read up on Islam (try reading an english translation of the quran) before they start to spout ignorance.
ianrees: There are extremists in all religeons so why single out 1 religeon
this poll was nothing to do with extremism or anything of that nature at all, it was as i said, just to see what people thought of muslims and a British identity.
As you said there are extremists in every religion and even in non religious groups, the red brigade in Italy, Bader Meinhoff in Germany, the shining path in Peru etc...
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
alexkhan: Hmmm seems like the ignorant sheep who follow other sheep blindly have been brought out by this poll, judging from some of the comments, such as winthrop etc. (How many 'savage' aborigines were murdered by the earky Australian settlers? who were the savages in that context?)
As they say don't judge a book by its cover, so don't judge every muslim by the actions of a very tiny minority. would you judge all catholics across the world by the actions of the IRA in ireland? I happen to have had a relative murdered by the IRA in the 70's but that doesn't mean i judge all irish or all catholics as terrorists.
Some people need to read up on Islam (try reading an english translation of the quran) before they start to spout ignorance.
I don't feel the need to read the Quran to be able to talk and relate to Muslim people anymore than I need to read the Bible to be able to talk and relate to Christian people.
People are people, their interpretations of holy books and their ways of thinking, feeling and behaving may vary widely.
I imagine you're feeling pretty thirsty during this hot, dry season of Ramadan, so I look forward to sunset for you and my fasting friends.
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