can you be a muslim and british? (73)

Jun 27, 2014 6:50 AM CSTcan you be a muslim and british?
alexkhanonline now!
alexkhanonline now!alexkhanBirmingham, West Midlands, England UK1 Threads 1 Polls 11 Posts

can you be a muslim and british?(Vote Below)

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Yes if your parents are British
10
8%
Yes if you are born in Britain
27
20%
Yes, regardless if you were born here or not
46
35%
No, even if your parents were born in Britain
50
38%
Total Votes
133
This poll is just to get some understanding on what people think of muslims and a British identity.
Jun 27, 2014 7:02 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
alexkhan: This poll is just to get some understanding on what people think of muslims and a British identity.


I don't understand why one's location in a country is related to one's religion? Of course, as an American, were we left England for religious freedom or to a country that separates church and state.

Well, actually I understand the philosophic point of view, I just don't agree with it.
Jun 27, 2014 7:27 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK37 Threads 1,731 Posts
alexkhan: This poll is just to get some understanding on what people think of muslims and a British identity.


I would think you could follow any religion as is your choice. I am lucky to be a free person so could follow what I like regardless.
I am an atheist though.
Jun 27, 2014 8:28 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK33 Threads 4 Polls 21,245 Posts
Are you wondering how truly ignorant some people are in Britain? laugh

A South African woman I know applied for British citizenship and showed me her guide book to becoming British that she was supposed to learn and be tested upon.

It included shed loads of historical and cultural information, almost to the point of the colour of Winston Churchill's underpants on any given day. I had no idea about most of the stuff in this book, and yet I have British citizenship simply by virtue of being born here as a second generation immigrant.

Life has a lot of luck involved. To derogate those who are less lucky, is bizarre.
Jun 27, 2014 8:56 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 6,786 Posts
alexkhan: This poll is just to get some understanding on what people think of muslims and a British identity.


They can do, but will they do is the important question. Or more importantly;

Will enough British Muslims place Britain before Islam?
Will they stand by us against the Muslims in Britain that don't do this?
Will they fight against PC thugs and posturing Marxists that want to turn Britain into a third world hole in the ground?
Will Muslims stop supporting labour and liberals in droves, even though you disagree on nearly everything else, just because of the lab/lib open border and anti-native policies?
Jun 27, 2014 8:57 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 6,786 Posts
jac379: Are you wondering how truly ignorant some people are in Britain?

A South African woman I know applied for British citizenship and showed me her guide book to becoming British that she was supposed to learn and be tested upon.

It included shed loads of historical and cultural information, almost to the point of the colour of Winston Churchill's underpants on any given day. I had no idea about most of the stuff in this book, and yet I have British citizenship simply by virtue of being born here as a second generation immigrant.

Life has a lot of luck involved. To derogate those who are less lucky, is bizarre.


I'd gladly kick you out of Britain in favour of a Muslim. They don't come any less British than you.
Jun 27, 2014 10:16 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
alexkhanonline now!
alexkhanonline now!alexkhanBirmingham, West Midlands, England UK1 Threads 1 Polls 11 Posts
JeanKimberley: I don't understand why one's location in a country is related to one's religion? Of course, as an American, were we left England for religious freedom or to a country that separates church and state.

Well, actually I understand the philosophic point of view, I just don't agree with it.


Jean I fully agree with you personally.
I have lived and worked in the States and was never made to feel unwelcome in any way.
I put this poll up just to see how many different shades of opinion there are out there.
Jun 27, 2014 10:19 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
alexkhanonline now!
alexkhanonline now!alexkhanBirmingham, West Midlands, England UK1 Threads 1 Polls 11 Posts
jac379: Are you wondering how truly ignorant some people are in Britain?

A South African woman I know applied for British citizenship and showed me her guide book to becoming British that she was supposed to learn and be tested upon.

It included shed loads of historical and cultural information, almost to the point of the colour of Winston Churchill's underpants on any given day. I had no idea about most of the stuff in this book, and yet I have British citizenship simply by virtue of being born here as a second generation immigrant.

Life has a lot of luck involved. To derogate those who are less lucky, is bizarre.


I have seen the book you mention, they now have to pass a test on it called the 'life in Britain' test.
I wonder how many so-called flag waving 'native' brits would pass the test? (not that many I suspect).
Jun 27, 2014 12:34 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK37 Threads 1,731 Posts
Redex: I would think you could follow any religion as is your choice. I am lucky to be a free person so could follow what I like regardless.
I am an atheist though.

I have been interested in your question as to the facts and not to just how I feel.
I find to be a muslim your father must be a muslim whether you go on to have ilsam as your religion is another matter.
I still say in the main in Britain you can be what you want as long as you adhere to the laws of the land first.
That would be anywhere in my opinion when in Rome and all of that.
Good poll makes one think past the surface
Jun 27, 2014 12:45 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
alexkhanonline now!
alexkhanonline now!alexkhanBirmingham, West Midlands, England UK1 Threads 1 Polls 11 Posts
Redex: I have been interested in your question as to the facts and not to just how I feel.
I find to be a muslim your father must be a muslim whether you go on to have ilsam as your religion is another matter.
I still say in the main in Britain you can be what you want as long as you adhere to the laws of the land first.
That would be anywhere in my opinion when in Rome and all of that.
Good poll makes one think past the surface


Your parents do not have to be muslim for you to be a muslim, I think that can be said for any religion (except Judaism I believe), your parents do not have to be muslim for you to accept any religion (or none).

I posted this poll because i have many friends that were not born muslims but became muslims of their own accord (not through any proselytising on my part i might add!)and their heritage has been from the United Kingdom, be it Irish or English or Scottish or Welsh.
I wanted to see how people percieve British identity an also how people perceive Muslims.
Jun 27, 2014 1:49 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK37 Threads 1,731 Posts
alexkhan: Your parents do not have to be muslim for you to be a muslim, I think that can be said for any religion (except Judaism I believe), your parents do not have to be muslim for you to accept any religion (or none).

I posted this poll because i have many friends that were not born muslims but became muslims of their own accord (not through any proselytising on my part i might add!)and their heritage has been from the United Kingdom, be it Irish or English or Scottish or Welsh.
I wanted to see how people percieve British identity an also how people perceive Muslims.


Well I looked up wikie leaks as to the definition of Muslim, so reckon my own thought first off where on the right tracks.
I do not think you would get many answers here uk forum has been very quiet of late, plus people do not like arguments and this subject could be subject to that given the course of things in the world at the moment. But in my opinion it has ever been so religion since way way back has always caused discord when its meant to cause peace. funny old world we live in.
Jun 27, 2014 1:57 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
alexkhanonline now!
alexkhanonline now!alexkhanBirmingham, West Midlands, England UK1 Threads 1 Polls 11 Posts
I am finding the poll more interesting, even though only 8 people have taken it at the moment.
Jun 27, 2014 2:00 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
Redex
RedexRedexNorthumberland, England UK37 Threads 1,731 Posts
okay I keep my eye on poll to see what comes up, maybe you have sparked some interest in sleeping people peace
Jun 27, 2014 2:17 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK33 Threads 4 Polls 21,245 Posts
Do you realise people can only pick one option in a poll?

I haven't voted because none of the options are comprehensive.
Jun 27, 2014 2:22 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
alexkhanonline now!
alexkhanonline now!alexkhanBirmingham, West Midlands, England UK1 Threads 1 Polls 11 Posts
jac379: Do you realise people can only pick one option in a poll?

I haven't voted because none of the options are comprehensive.


I do apologise for not making the options as comprehensive as i should have.

I thought I had covered most options but maybe i haven't.
Jun 27, 2014 3:04 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK33 Threads 4 Polls 21,245 Posts
alexkhan: I do apologise for not making the options as comprehensive as i should have.

I thought I had covered most options but maybe i haven't.

There's no need to apologise, I'm just pointing out you might not get an informative picture from the voting.

I would have voted for options one, two and three (and depending on the circumstances option four as well, such as a refusal of British citizenship). If I vote for just one option, I'm kind of saying the other options are not true which is inaccurate.

It's often useful on polls to have an option which says 'other' and then people can comment with their explanation as to why they voted for that option.
Jun 27, 2014 3:12 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
alexkhanonline now!
alexkhanonline now!alexkhanBirmingham, West Midlands, England UK1 Threads 1 Polls 11 Posts
jac379: There's no need to apologise, I'm just pointing out you might not get an informative picture from the voting.

I would have voted for options one, two and three (and depending on the circumstances option four as well, such as a refusal of British citizenship). If I vote for just one option, I'm kind of saying the other options are not true which is inaccurate.

It's often useful on polls to have an option which says 'other' and then people can comment with their explanation as to why they voted for that option.


As always you speak sense...:)
Jun 27, 2014 3:15 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
alexkhanonline now!
alexkhanonline now!alexkhanBirmingham, West Midlands, England UK1 Threads 1 Polls 11 Posts
Obstinance_Works: They can do, but will they do is the important question. Or more importantly;

Will enough British Muslims place Britain before Islam?
Will they stand by us against the Muslims in Britain that don't do this?
Will they fight against PC thugs and posturing Marxists that want to turn Britain into a third world hole in the ground?
Will Muslims stop supporting labour and liberals in droves, even though you disagree on nearly everything else, just because of the lab/lib open border and anti-native policies?


It should never be an issue of country before faith.
Your political persuasion should have nothing to do with your religion, thats like saying if your catholic you should not be voting lib Dem!

There is no logic to your argument.
Jun 27, 2014 10:29 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK33 Threads 4 Polls 21,245 Posts
Winthrop48: Ask those whose relatives were murdered by the scum in London Underground in 2007.

Does that mean you're a rapist and murderer Winthhrop, along with every other man on the planet because of the crimes committed by the Yorkshire Ripper?
Jun 27, 2014 10:55 PM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379: Does that mean you're a rapist and murderer Winthhrop, along with every other man on the planet because of the crimes committed by the Yorkshire Ripper?


Unlike those who are muslims I do not practice the religion of those scum. Do you know that in Yemen a man may marry an 8 year old girl. If she bleeds to death as a result to bad he can marry her younger sister. I believe in the values of civilization do nt know about you.
Jun 28, 2014 3:54 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK33 Threads 4 Polls 21,245 Posts
Winthrop48: Unlike those who are muslims I do not practice the religion of those scum. Do you know that in Yemen a man may marry an 8 year old girl. If she bleeds to death as a result to bad he can marry her younger sister. I believe in the values of civilization do nt know about you.

I believe in lots of things and one of them is logic.

Muslims aren't the only people where child brides are an issue, nor child sex abuse. How about the Catholic priest scandal?

Muslims aren't the only ones who have murdered people, that happens the world over.

What you're doing is attaching certain behaviours to a whole group of people by virtue of their group belonging, rather than individual behaviour(s). If all Muslims are murderers and paedophiles because some have been murderers and paedophiles, then I can say the same about you:

You, as a white Christian man must be a rapist, murderer and paedophile because some white Christian men have raped, murdered and sexually abused children. <---that's your logic!

My logic works like this: Some people behave badly from all walks of life. It's unethical to judge and condemn people without evidence and a fair trial. I cannot sensibly describe someone without knowing them and how they think, feel and behave as an individual.

You're behaving like an extremist, Winthrop.
Jun 28, 2014 4:57 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
damshoppin
damshoppindamshoppinmansfield, Nottinghamshire, England UK36 Threads 889 Posts
jac379: I believe in lots of things and one of them is logic.

Muslims aren't the only people where child brides are an issue, nor child sex abuse. How about the Catholic priest scandal?

Muslims aren't the only ones who have murdered people, that happens the world over.

What you're doing is attaching certain behaviours to a whole group of people by virtue of their group belonging, rather than individual behaviour(s). If all Muslims are murderers and paedophiles because some have been murderers and paedophiles, then I can say the same about you:

You, as a white Christian man must be a rapist, murderer and paedophile because some white Christian men have raped, murdered and sexually abused children. <---that's your logic!

My logic works like this: Some people behave badly from all walks of life. It's unethical to judge and condemn people without evidence and a fair trial. I cannot sensibly describe someone without knowing them and how they think, feel and behave as an individual.

You're behaving like an extremist, Winthrop.


Don't get your logic on this, if I have it correct, winthrop seems to be saying that its legal to marry an 8 year old in the Yeman and you compare Catholic priests? Abusing children...way off the mark in my opinion..the priests are being taken to court and jailed...
Jun 28, 2014 7:08 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK33 Threads 4 Polls 21,245 Posts
damshoppin: Don't get your logic on this, if I have it correct, winthrop seems to be saying that its legal to marry an 8 year old in the Yeman and you compare Catholic priests? Abusing children...way off the mark in my opinion..the priests are being taken to court and jailed...

So if it's legal, you don't think it's child abuse?

Besides, have you heard about the closed documents issued to all Catholic parishes regarding how to protect paedophile priests and how the Vatican has sheltered alleged paedophiles so they can't be arrested and prosecuted from the sacred grounds?

There's good and bad in all societies; corruption and abuse. To assume that another trait (race, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexuality, whatever) is necessarily linked with murder, or other abuses is prejudice.

And crashingly stupid.
Jun 28, 2014 7:29 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
damshoppin
damshoppindamshoppinmansfield, Nottinghamshire, England UK36 Threads 889 Posts
jac379: So if it's legal, you don't think it's child abuse?

Besides, have you heard about the closed documents issued to all Catholic parishes regarding how to protect paedophile priests and how the Vatican has sheltered alleged paedophiles so they can't be arrested and prosecuted from the sacred grounds?

There's good and bad in all societies; corruption and abuse. To assume that another trait (race, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexuality, whatever) is necessarily linked with murder, or other abuses is prejudice.




And crashingly stupid.



You stupid woman.. of course I think its abuse..the difference is its legal in some countries. At least we jail the fekkers here. Personally I think child abusers should be hung.
Jun 28, 2014 7:39 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
damshoppin
damshoppindamshoppinmansfield, Nottinghamshire, England UK36 Threads 889 Posts
Obstinance_Works: I'd gladly kick you out of Britain in favour of a Muslim. They don't come any less British than you.


Agreed!
Jun 28, 2014 7:55 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK33 Threads 4 Polls 21,245 Posts
damshoppin: You stupid woman.. of course I think its abuse..the difference is its legal in some countries. At least we jail the fekkers here. Personally I think child abusers should be hung.

No we don't always jail child abusers here and it is illegal in some other countries where people marry their daughters off under age. They're not necessarily Muslim people, either.

In Europe and the US age of consent was historically low enough to be considered childhood abuse by today's standards. In some parts of the world development and understanding is behind other parts. It requires understanding of culture, social issues such as poverty and education to create change.

If you're really interested in protecting children, you need to ditch your prejudices and look at what is effective in creating change.
Jun 28, 2014 8:02 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK33 Threads 4 Polls 21,245 Posts
Obstinance_Works: I'd gladly kick you out of Britain in favour of a Muslim. They don't come any less British than you.

Being a second (or is it third) generation immigrant yourself, it's likely you do recognise non-British traits in myself. We have some non-British culture in common, don't we? laugh
Jun 28, 2014 8:10 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
damshoppin
damshoppindamshoppinmansfield, Nottinghamshire, England UK36 Threads 889 Posts
Prejudice? Nope. Unless your a child molester, and I don't give a shit where you're from or your religion..now take your social workers handbook and shove it.
Jun 28, 2014 8:12 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK33 Threads 4 Polls 21,245 Posts
damshoppin: Prejudice? Nope. Unless your a child molester, and I don't give a shit where you're from or your religion..now take your social workers handbook and shove it.

So, tell me your plan for stopping child abuse and underage marriages.
Jun 28, 2014 8:47 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
kettleson
kettlesonkettlesonFAR FROM Liverpool, Merseyside, England UK715 Posts
Ive lived in the past in a Ghetto with Muslims for 18 month .
Yes it was a culture shock {for me }as they iether DONT want to integrate or Cant {as we are mere Infidels }.

White Women are Dogs {and will be treated as such } us Men are not far behind apparently }
A lot do not want to Integrate {with whom they class as Infidels}
Were these teachings have come from , Gord only knows .

Ive lived in France {i love the place }but iff i were to try and force British {English }culture on them i would have been run out of the place .

Personally i dont think all Muslims are a problem , but there is a certain sector were the problems are coming from .
Jun 28, 2014 9:03 AM CST can you be a muslim and british?
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK33 Threads 4 Polls 21,245 Posts
kettleson: Ive lived in the past in a Ghetto with Muslims for 18 month .
Yes it was a culture shock {for me }as they iether DONT want to integrate or Cant {as we are mere Infidels }.

White Women are Dogs {and will be treated as such } us Men are not far behind apparently }
A lot do not want to Integrate {with whom they class as Infidels}
Were these teachings have come from , Gord only knows .

Ive lived in France {i love the place }but iff i were to try and force British {English }culture on them i would have been run out of the place .

Personally i dont think all Muslims are a problem , but there is a certain sector were the problems are coming from .

Here in Wales if you come from the next village, you're considered a foreigner. That was the basis for one of the best jokes in Gavin and Stacey.

It happens everywhere with some people and some communities. Others not.

It's also a dynamic. For cultures to integrate, it takes both sides being open. I'm not saying you weren't open, but some British people aren't any more open than some Muslim people. Others get on well. I've never had an issue with the Muslim people I've worked, or socialised with. dunno

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