can you be a muslim and british? (83)
This has been a wi d up from the start, hasn’t it Alexkhan?
Just because a dog is born in a stable, that don't make it a horse.
damshoppin: Don't get your logic on this, if I have it correct, winthrop seems to be saying that its legal to marry an 8 year old in the Yeman and you compare Catholic priests? Abusing children...way off the mark in my opinion..the priests are being taken to court and jailed...
Muhammed marry Aisha when she was 6 years old and consumed marriage when she was 9 so what moral values Muhammed followers showing us as God gift to our civilisation. To support, promote and normalise pedophilia without punishment.Anyone can be a muslim, there is no legal definition of what it takes to be one, same with any religion. I can become a muslim in 30 seconds by simply saying 'I am a muslim'. Easy to do. I don't need to do anything else at all. I could also say 'I am a giraffe', as I self identify as one.
All of these labels are self applied, no one else has to recognise them, and no one can stop anyone applying one to themselves.
I just take the view that if something happened and all female fertility stopped today, then in 100 years time there would only be around 20 humans left on the entire planet, in different countries and with no means of travelling or communicating with each other. All beliefs, all opinions, all books, and all of history would vanish when the last human died. Yes, the entire human race, no matter how important we think we are, would vanish in 100 years.
Nothing at all is important. Nothing.
All of these labels are self applied, no one else has to recognise them, and no one can stop anyone applying one to themselves.
I just take the view that if something happened and all female fertility stopped today, then in 100 years time there would only be around 20 humans left on the entire planet, in different countries and with no means of travelling or communicating with each other. All beliefs, all opinions, all books, and all of history would vanish when the last human died. Yes, the entire human race, no matter how important we think we are, would vanish in 100 years.
Nothing at all is important. Nothing.
Except for me, I am a V.I.P
jac379: I believe in lots of things and one of them is logic.
Muslims aren't the only people where child brides are an issue, nor child sex abuse. How about the Catholic priest scandal?
Muslims aren't the only ones who have murdered people, that happens the world over.
What you're doing is attaching certain behaviours to a whole group of people by virtue of their group belonging, rather than individual behaviour(s). If all Muslims are murderers and paedophiles because some have been murderers and paedophiles, then I can say the same about you:
You, as a white Christian man must be a rapist, murderer and paedophile because some white Christian men have raped, murdered and sexually abused children. <---that's your logic!
My logic works like this: Some people behave badly from all walks of life. It's unethical to judge and condemn people without evidence and a fair trial. I cannot sensibly describe someone without knowing them and how they think, feel and behave as an individual.
You're behaving like an extremist, Winthrop.
Muslims aren't the only people where child brides are an issue, nor child sex abuse. How about the Catholic priest scandal?
Muslims aren't the only ones who have murdered people, that happens the world over.
What you're doing is attaching certain behaviours to a whole group of people by virtue of their group belonging, rather than individual behaviour(s). If all Muslims are murderers and paedophiles because some have been murderers and paedophiles, then I can say the same about you:
You, as a white Christian man must be a rapist, murderer and paedophile because some white Christian men have raped, murdered and sexually abused children. <---that's your logic!
My logic works like this: Some people behave badly from all walks of life. It's unethical to judge and condemn people without evidence and a fair trial. I cannot sensibly describe someone without knowing them and how they think, feel and behave as an individual.
You're behaving like an extremist, Winthrop.
I agree a 100% Thank very much!
What worries me is that the most votes are for no.
Is there really that many narrow minded tossers on here still.
You are born free to make your own choices in life.
No matter where you were born, you have the right
to choose which path you decide to take and what to believe.
Many British people follow different religions that were not founded
in the UK , so what is the difference.
Is there really that many narrow minded tossers on here still.
You are born free to make your own choices in life.
No matter where you were born, you have the right
to choose which path you decide to take and what to believe.
Many British people follow different religions that were not founded
in the UK , so what is the difference.
Your poll is misleading. British is a nationality and Muslim is a religion. If you ask me if I can be British and Pakistani the answer is probably yes. If you ask can you be Catholic and Muslim the answer is probably no. The British constitution protects the rights of all it's citizens to practice any religion they choose.
rainbowdream2017: Muhammed marry Aisha when she was 6 years old and consumed marriage when she was 9 so what moral values Muhammed followers showing us as God gift to our civilisation. To support, promote and normalise pedophilia without punishment.
In todays world there is very little acceptance or defence for the prophets behaviour although this example is still practiced in some countries. It was common practice in the 600s. Fortunately the adoption of common law in most countries prevents child marriages as well as bigamy. Interestingly enough a recent case in Canada had Warren Jeffs at the superior court fighting charges of marrying multiple women one as young as twelve. His is an offshoot of the Mormon religion and his defence is that it is within his religious rights. He is now in jail for twenty years. Maybe he took a leaf out of the prophets book.digby2000: Your poll is misleading. British is a nationality and Muslim is a religion. If you ask me if I can be British and Pakistani the answer is probably yes. If you ask can you be Catholic and Muslim the answer is probably no. The British constitution protects the rights of all it's citizens to practice any religion they choose.
The poll is quite straight forward, but as we see to your next
comment , you just want to change the topic to what is on your mind.
Just start your own thread.
Oh and by the way, 20yrs is not long enough, they should have
just chopped of the bastards balls and let him bleed to death, dirty Mormon scum.
The whole bloody lot of em should be shot.
Redex: I have been interested in your question as to the facts and not to just how I feel.
I find to be a muslim your father must be a muslim whether you go on to have ilsam as your religion is another matter.
I still say in the main in Britain you can be what you want as long as you adhere to the laws of the land first.
That would be anywhere in my opinion when in Rome and all of that.
Good poll makes one think past the surface
I find to be a muslim your father must be a muslim whether you go on to have ilsam as your religion is another matter.
I still say in the main in Britain you can be what you want as long as you adhere to the laws of the land first.
That would be anywhere in my opinion when in Rome and all of that.
Good poll makes one think past the surface
That is not the case, 1 can embrace the religion of Islam even if 1s father is satan.
My question is, why would anyone want to be Muslim and British? 
Of course you can be Muslim and British like me. If you can be an American Jew or Indian Christian then can be a British Muslim as well. Where do you want the indigenous British Muslim's who have no second home to go? Faith and nationality are two complete separate things. There are people of different faiths and nationalities working all over the world these days. Can't throw anyone out on the basis of their religious belief! It is an absurd even offensive thread!
In a supposedly Christian country it is okay to be British Hindu, British Sikh, British Buddhist, British Jew or British Atheist but not British Muslim??. Majority Muslim countries where million's of Non-Muslim's live can also ask the same question putting the shoe on the other foot. It is threads like these one's singling out one community that create intolerance in society. There would be forceful migration in billion's if countries started throwing it's minority communities out.
alexkhan:
I put this poll up just to see how many different shades of opinion there are out there.
A lot more shades then your poll... I put this poll up just to see how many different shades of opinion there are out there.
digby2000: The British constitution protects the rights of all it's citizens to practice any religion they choose.
Except that there does not exist a Brittish constitution.... 
Don't import your religion, culture, sharia law and inter breeding with 1st or 2nd cousin. If your from Afghanistan and Iraq, Syria, Somalia why not go to UAE, Bahrain, Qatar Iran. That's where all your Muslim brothers are. They don't want you, so the UK takes all you scum , so you can start up grooming gangs for little white girls.
The whole royal family that conquered the British Isles, is all decended from Mohammed. Muslims in Britan have a longer history of being Muslims, than Brits.
The answer is quite simply NO. Brits are defined by getting drunk and eating bacon sandwiches the next morning, hope that clears everything up
mykingdomforanam: The whole royal family that conquered the British Isles, is all decended from Mohammed. Muslims in Britan have a longer history of being Muslims, than Brits.
I ran out of toilet paper and wiped my bum on this comment page...and more shit came off the pageYou need to define if you mean ethnically British or civilly British, for a start.
In either event, the answer is: yes. Someone who is civilly British (i.e. a British passport holder) may well be a Muslim. Many are.
And someone who is ethnically British can convert to Islam. George Galloway comes to mind.
However, we need to keep in mind that the vast majority of Muslims in the UK are NOT ethnically British.
In either event, the answer is: yes. Someone who is civilly British (i.e. a British passport holder) may well be a Muslim. Many are.
And someone who is ethnically British can convert to Islam. George Galloway comes to mind.
However, we need to keep in mind that the vast majority of Muslims in the UK are NOT ethnically British.
This thread has made me remember an old timer here in New Zealand who I met in a work context (he was one of our customers).
I used to speak to him on the telephone. He sounded ancient, and had a Muslim name and a strong Welsh accent. One day I met him in person, and was shocked to find he was as White as snow.
Turns out he was orphaned during WW2 as a child, and was taken in by a charitable Muslim family. They gave him a Muslim name and raised him as a Muslim. When I met him, he was over 80, and told me he was not religious, but had seen no need to abandon his Muslim name and revert to his British one.
I used to speak to him on the telephone. He sounded ancient, and had a Muslim name and a strong Welsh accent. One day I met him in person, and was shocked to find he was as White as snow.
Turns out he was orphaned during WW2 as a child, and was taken in by a charitable Muslim family. They gave him a Muslim name and raised him as a Muslim. When I met him, he was over 80, and told me he was not religious, but had seen no need to abandon his Muslim name and revert to his British one.
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May I suggest you try to make a better job of it next time?