Are taxes fair? ( Archived) (49)

May 19, 2015 4:58 PM CSTAre taxes fair?
TenderBabe
TenderBabeTenderBabeLoveland, Colorado, USA13 Threads 13 Polls 24 Posts

Are taxes fair?(Vote Below)

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Yes
17
23%
No
43
58%
If you do not pay taxes.
9
12%
My idea.
5
7%
Total Votes
74
We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.
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May 19, 2015 5:07 PM CST Are taxes fair?
tarris
tarristarrisnew plymouth, Taranaki New Zealand4 Threads 395 Posts
TenderBabe: We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.
no, I don't think that you shoul pay a higher percentage because you earn more.
The top 5% of earners already pay about 50% of tax.
This seems unfair to me
If you work harder/smarter to earn more you pay a higher tax rate! How's that fair?
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May 19, 2015 5:14 PM CST Are taxes fair?
DertyHarry44
DertyHarry44DertyHarry44Lakeland, Florida USA91 Threads 1,102 Posts
TenderBabe: We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.


of course are fair, our Congress people needs their Fridays off/like always/you know???
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May 19, 2015 5:18 PM CST Are taxes fair?
DertyHarry44
DertyHarry44DertyHarry44Lakeland, Florida USA91 Threads 1,102 Posts
TenderBabe: We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.


if we don't pay taxes then who/poor Putin??laugh
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May 19, 2015 5:25 PM CST Are taxes fair?
DertyHarry44
DertyHarry44DertyHarry44Lakeland, Florida USA91 Threads 1,102 Posts
TenderBabe: We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.


if we don't pay taxes then masses with gasses will drink beer glassescheers
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May 19, 2015 5:27 PM CST Are taxes fair?
I believe taxes are equalizer. For the most reasons of social services and function. It's fair in a sense that you live in a society where services don't discriminate.

But for you to know how isn't fair, you have to observe or look at poor countries where taxation is a matter of bribery. No public toilet, no medical benefits etc.

Here's how it works, a rich businessman doesn't give his actual due payment or tax to a legitimate honest public servant. Instead he pays the corrupt employee and puts that payoff to his pocket. Now who's been unfairly treated? The public. I will continue, that person who collected the business tax? He won't get investigated if he has a mansion, a Ferrari, etc. Yes tax in that country is not only unfair, it's a disservice to the people.

In our country? I don't think so. Bill Gates who clears about half a billion every year goes to most of his tax shield, his foundation which is serving the whole world.

I believe that our capabilities to make money is a gift therefore sharing it to the society that gives us back in terms of services, protection and ability to prosper, for me, it's fair.
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May 19, 2015 5:32 PM CST Are taxes fair?
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
TenderBabe: We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.


Some are fair, i.e. taxes on income to support roads and infrastructure; some are nonsense i.e. excise taxes and some are clearly unfair i.e. inheritance and estate taxes because they tax your income twice.

Income taxes should be progressive. If a person who earns 10,000 a year pays 50%, then they have nothing left. If a super rich heir (who hasn't worked a day in his life) pays 50% on his capital gains in lieu of income tax, then that hurts the heir a lot less than the person who makes do on a small income.

That's why added value taxes are inheritently unfair to people with a lower income.
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May 19, 2015 5:32 PM CST Are taxes fair?
DertyHarry44
DertyHarry44DertyHarry44Lakeland, Florida USA91 Threads 1,102 Posts
I believe taxes are equalizer. For the most reasons of social services and function. It's fair in a sense that you live in a society where services don't discriminate.

But for you to know how isn't fair, you have to observe or look at poor countries where taxation is a matter of bribery. No public toilet, no medical benefits etc.

Here's how it works, a rich businessman doesn't give his actual due payment or tax to a legitimate honest public servant. Instead he pays the corrupt employee and puts that payoff to his pocket. Now who's been unfairly treated? The public. I will continue, that person who collected the business tax? He won't get investigated if he has a mansion, a Ferrari, etc. Yes tax in that country is not only unfair, it's a disservice to the people.

In our country? I don't think so. Bill Gates who clears about half a billion every year goes to most of his tax shield, his foundation which is serving the whole world.

I believe that our capabilities to make money is a gift therefore sharing it to the society that gives us back in terms of services, protection and ability to prosper, for me, it's fair.[/quote

I remember that woman by the name Leona? she said only little people have to pay taxes/not rich oneswow
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May 19, 2015 5:38 PM CST Are taxes fair?
DertyHarry44
DertyHarry44DertyHarry44Lakeland, Florida USA91 Threads 1,102 Posts
and to think that Americans got mad at England for

high taxes???beer
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May 19, 2015 5:40 PM CST Are taxes fair?
DertyHarry44
DertyHarry44DertyHarry44Lakeland, Florida USA91 Threads 1,102 Posts
should be illegal for us to pay taxes for social security benefits

that money already taxed, so is double the taxes over that moneyvery mad
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May 19, 2015 6:09 PM CST Are taxes fair?
tarris: yep, therein lies my issue too!
In our western societies there is no excuse to live in an impoverished state. Sure, there's exceptions but we live in an era of opportunity and plenty, comparatively speaking.
Those here saying that high earners should pay a higher % are driven by jealousy and envy. A base human emotion.
As you said, many receiving social security are simply to lazy to get outta bed and have a go!
hi yer .yes....i know many..to lazy to work...tho can sit in a pub..drinking all night....very mad living off his 8 childrens family allowence.barf
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May 19, 2015 6:23 PM CST Are taxes fair?
tarris
tarristarrisnew plymouth, Taranaki New Zealand4 Threads 395 Posts
truheart1941: hi yer .yes....i know many..to lazy to work...tho can sit in a pub..drinking all night.... living off his 8 childrens family allowence.
yep, well I live in NZ, the worlds first welfare state. The system was designed to be a hand up not a hand out.
There are now multiple generational welfare bludgers here.
On welfare pay day they are lined up outside the bottle shop/off license or whatever you call it there, before it opens.
We call it 'drop kick day'!!
Yet I work lots of hours to make good money and some left wing liberal moans that I'm 'rich' so should pay more tax so these societal leeches can have more money!!
I'm all for kids receiving free healthcare etc as it is not their fault but much of our tax money is sucked up by these drop kicks, who are in perfect health but choose not to make any effort.
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May 19, 2015 6:50 PM CST Are taxes fair?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
TenderBabe: We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.


I agree with Ron Paul... 'Ron Paul supports the elimination of the income tax and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). He asserts that Congress had no power to impose a direct income tax and has introduced legislation to repeal of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, which was ratified on February 3, 1913.

An income tax is the most degrading and totalitarian of all possible taxes. Its implementation wrongly suggests that the government owns the lives and labor of the citizens it is supposed to represent.

Tellingly, “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” is Plank #2 of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and first published in 1848.'
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May 19, 2015 6:53 PM CST Are taxes fair?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
SS ... Social security is a Ponzi scheme and should be aborted. I paid into and my late wife paid into but I will never see a penny of it. Save Medicare; abort Social Security.
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May 19, 2015 8:13 PM CST Are taxes fair?
TenderBabe: We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.



If we didn't have to pay our taxes the infrastructure of the country would fall apart, roads would crumble, there wouldn't be any military to save us from the bad guys.

It's not about what's fair. Taxes are necessary. How else would the country be repaired and developed?
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May 19, 2015 8:28 PM CST Are taxes fair?
tarris
tarristarrisnew plymouth, Taranaki New Zealand4 Threads 395 Posts
lindsyjones: I believe taxes are equalizer. For the most reasons of social services and function. It's fair in a sense that you live in a society where services don't discriminate.

But for you to know how isn't fair, you have to observe or look at poor countries where taxation is a matter of bribery. No public toilet, no medical benefits etc.

Here's how it works, a rich businessman doesn't give his actual due payment or tax to a legitimate honest public servant. Instead he pays the corrupt employee and puts that payoff to his pocket. Now who's been unfairly treated? The public. I will continue, that person who collected the business tax? He won't get investigated if he has a mansion, a Ferrari, etc. Yes tax in that country is not only unfair, it's a disservice to the people.

In our country? I don't think so. Bill Gates who clears about half a billion every year goes to most of his tax shield, his foundation which is serving the whole world.

I believe that our capabilities to make money is a gift therefore sharing it to the society that gives us back in terms of services, protection and ability to prosper, for me, it's fair.
why do we need to be 'equal'?
There will always be greater and lesser people than yourself. Don't compare yourself to others or you will become vain and bitter. Desiderata.
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May 19, 2015 8:33 PM CST Are taxes fair?
TenderBabe: We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.
The fairest way to do it would for there to be a standard percentage of ten percent (not the usual 30 to 40!!) for absolutely EVERYBODY, including corporations. No sweetheart deals, no breaks for the rich, etc...If this were done, the reason it would be the fairest is because people who were willing to work hard/more hours would not be penalized by being thrust into an artificially higher tax bracket. i.e. it is possible to lose money working overtime in the present system. This way, a hard worker could "earn" his way to being rich, which is what we (America) says we do, anyway. Let's walk the talk.
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May 19, 2015 8:33 PM CST Are taxes fair?
TenderBabe: We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.
The fairest way to do it would for there to be a standard percentage of ten percent (not the usual 30 to 40!!) for absolutely EVERYBODY, including corporations. No sweetheart deals, no breaks for the rich, etc...If this were done, the reason it would be the fairest is because people who were willing to work hard/more hours would not be penalized by being thrust into an artificially higher tax bracket. i.e. it is possible to lose money working overtime in the present system. This way, a hard worker could "earn" his way to being rich, which is what we (America) says we do, anyway. Let's walk the talk.
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May 19, 2015 9:21 PM CST Are taxes fair?
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
rohaan: The fairest way to do it would for there to be a standard percentage of ten percent (not the usual 30 to 40!!) for absolutely EVERYBODY, including corporations. No sweetheart deals, no breaks for the rich, etc...If this were done, the reason it would be the fairest is because people who were willing to work hard/more hours would not be penalized by being thrust into an artificially higher tax bracket. i.e. it is possible to lose money working overtime in the present system. This way, a hard worker could "earn" his way to being rich, which is what we (America) says we do, anyway. Let's walk the talk.


I would totally support a flat tax of say 15 or 20%. I would come out smelling like a rose with a deal like that. laugh
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May 19, 2015 9:24 PM CST Are taxes fair?
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
truheart1941: hi yer .yes....i know many..to lazy to work...tho can sit in a pub..drinking all night.... living off his 8 childrens family allowence.


That's a problem with the social services policies, not taxation.
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May 19, 2015 9:46 PM CST Are taxes fair?
tarris
tarristarrisnew plymouth, Taranaki New Zealand4 Threads 395 Posts
Nidifugous: That's a problem with the social services policies, not taxation.
well as a significant part of our tax system goes toward supporting social services I'd think the idea of the two being inextricably linked is fairly well grounded
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May 19, 2015 10:40 PM CST Are taxes fair?
Lol wasn't it Leona Helmsy? Or something?

What A Joke she was.
Yes I remember her.
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May 19, 2015 11:46 PM CST Are taxes fair?
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
tarris: well as a significant part of our tax system goes toward supporting social services I'd think the idea of the two being inextricably linked is fairly well grounded


Here, the percentages vary greatly by state and even by municipality. I don't know how things work in NZ.

Do you believe social services should be scrapped? if not, which ones would you support through taxation? What percentage of revenue would you think is feasible to dedicate to social services (i.e. unemployment, mental health care, hospice, orphan care, child services, etc.)?
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May 20, 2015 8:56 AM CST Are taxes fair?
BigBamaQ
BigBamaQBigBamaQBirmingham, Alabama USA2 Threads 47 Posts
tarris: no, I don't think that you shoul pay a higher percentage because you earn more.
The top 5% of earners already pay about 50% of tax.
This seems unfair to me
If you work harder/smarter to earn more you pay a higher tax rate! How's that fair?


For the first time we agree, go figure!
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May 20, 2015 9:17 AM CST Are taxes fair?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
The young are the ones with gripe to grind on this issue. A Millennial will need to be twice as good as a Baby Boomer to get the same out of life, and yet we'll pay more tax.

Anyway, the fairest thing to do now would be to slash pensions and cut taxes for the young. No political party has a policy whereby taxes are levied on the poor to subsidise the plushy lives of the middle and rich, and yet this is exactly what's happening to the young.
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May 20, 2015 9:21 AM CST Are taxes fair?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
TenderBabe: We all know that taxes are Constitutional in the United States. But are they fair? Some people pay a higher percentage than others.
govt.s way 2 rob u/legally.
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May 20, 2015 9:27 AM CST Are taxes fair?
DertyHarry44
DertyHarry44DertyHarry44Lakeland, Florida USA91 Threads 1,102 Posts
Taxes were re-introduced in America in 1914 for WW1 purposes

after war they saw it was good/but it was supposed to be a temporary thing
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May 20, 2015 9:36 AM CST Are taxes fair?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
DertyHarry44: Taxes were re-introduced in America in 1914 for WW1 purposes

after war they saw it was good/but it was supposed to be a temporary thing


Tax the rich till they scream, and give it to the deserving baby boomerscheering cheering cheering cheering
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May 20, 2015 9:38 AM CST Are taxes fair?
DertyHarry44
DertyHarry44DertyHarry44Lakeland, Florida USA91 Threads 1,102 Posts
tomcatwarne: Tax the rich till they scream, and give it to the deserving baby boomers


baby boomers? we came after WW2/not WW1cheers
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May 20, 2015 9:47 AM CST Are taxes fair?
A lady was asked by an IRS agent,,"How many dependents do you have",,her reply..."110 million,, that is how many are receiving WELFARE"...professor
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May 20, 2015 9:50 AM CST Are taxes fair?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
DertyHarry44: baby boomers? we came after WW2/not WW1

Yeh, still tax the richcheers grin grin grin grin
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