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Jun 5, 2015 11:19 AM CSTWhy does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
TenderBabe
TenderBabeTenderBabeLoveland, Colorado, USA13 Threads 13 Polls 24 Posts

Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?(Vote Below)

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The Gov. cares more about illegal-non citizens.
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20%
Obama wishes to further destroy the United States
18
32%
I do not know.
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27%
Undecided.
4
7%
My own idea.
8
14%
Total Votes
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Obamacare Offers a $3,000 Incentive to Hire Amnestied Illegals Over Native-Born Americans

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Jun 5, 2015 11:22 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
TenderBabe
TenderBabeTenderBabeLoveland, Colorado USA13 Threads 13 Polls 24 Posts
TenderBabe: Obamacare Offers a $3,000 Incentive to Hire Amnestied Illegals Over Native-Born Americans

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Jun 5, 2015 11:44 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
That link doesn't work.

What's an amnestied illegal? Once someone, regardless how they came in, received status (residency card), they're no longer illegal.

So are you saying that in a country where everyone is the descendant of an immigrant, those who are born here should get preference for employment?
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Jun 5, 2015 11:46 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
$ 3K is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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Jun 5, 2015 11:52 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Why does our government do stuff like this...

Probably the same reason Vietnamese immigrants in the '70s and '80s got preferential housing and job treatment over returning U.S. Vietnam war veterans.

Our government has messed up both of these countries and displaced their populations. The Vietnam conflict was largely part of the Cold War; Mexico troubles stem mostly out of USA greed, period.

But, what do I know.

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Jun 5, 2015 11:58 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Here is an article with some comments from different political figures.



While Republican lawmakers have already expressed concern that President Obama’s executive amnesty will have a negative impact on unemployed Americans, The Washington Times is highlighting another aspect of Obama’s actions that will make competing with amnestied illegal immigrants for jobs that much more of an uphill climb.

Nearly five million illegal immigrants will be eligible for legal status and work permits under President Obama’s amnesty. They are not, however, currently eligible for Obamacare.

According to the Washington Times, because the amnestied illegals are exempt from Obamacare, employers who decide to hire them will not have to pay the $3,000 annual penalty for each employee who goes on the Obamacare exchange and receives a subsidy.

“Under Obamacare, businesses with 50 or more employees are supposed to provide insurance coverage to their full-time workers,” The Washington Times’ Stephen Dinan reports. “If they refuse, they are assessed a penalty for every employee who receives subsidies to sign up for coverage on the health exchanges. But because the newly legalized illegal immigrants covered by Mr. Obama’s order can’t sign up for the exchanges or receive subsidies, employers aren’t penalized for hiring them.”

Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX)
60%
expressed frustration about the possibility that Americans could be further harmed by the pairing of Obamacare and Obama’s amnesty.

“If it is true that the president’s actions give employers a $3,000 incentive to hire those who came here illegally, he has added insult to injury,” Smith told the Washington Times. “The president’s actions would have just moved those who came here illegally to the front of the line, ahead of unemployed and underemployed Americans.”

Rep. Luke Messer (R-IN)
50%
on Fox News Tuesday morning called the loophole another “unintended consequence” of Obamacare and another reason to follow the Constitution.

“Now we have a situation where we have an incentive for employers to hire these folks that are here illegally because they won’t have to pay the penalty,” Messer said.

Republicans still have not enumerated their plans to combat Obama’s executive action but say they are working on a response.
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Jun 5, 2015 2:11 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
The government will easily recover those $ 3000 in tax revenues when those people hold legal, taxable jobs. idea
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Jun 5, 2015 2:21 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
funke3
funke3funke3London, Greater London, England UK191 Posts
TenderBabe: Obamacare Offers a $3,000 Incentive to Hire Amnestied Illegals Over Native-Born Americans

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I don't believe u.Not many people believe u.!
Anyway we are all immigrants in the world, We all only born to live here for a while.
So your thread only works with brittle minded folks like yourself.
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Jun 5, 2015 2:23 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
Nidifugous: The government will easily recover those $ 3000 in tax revenues when those people hold legal, taxable jobs.


Don't start bringing realistic arguments to the table, this is an Obama/gov't hate thread. laugh
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Jun 5, 2015 2:41 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Solamente
SolamenteSolamenteAdeje, Tenerife, Canary Islands Spain28 Threads 21 Polls 215 Posts
Every European government is doing the same, so why not America?

Back in the 70's when Britain was being flooded by people from India, one person said "Perhaps it is best if we leave Britain to the Indians and the British go and live in India".
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Jun 5, 2015 4:36 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Are you for real?
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Jun 5, 2015 4:37 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
That comment is for this poster
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Jun 5, 2015 4:41 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,223 Posts
funke3: I don't believe u.Not many people believe u.!
Anyway we are all immigrants in the world, We all only born to live here for a while.
So your thread only works with brittle minded folks like yourself.




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Jun 5, 2015 4:41 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Da_Moose
Da_MooseDa_MooseWestlock, Alberta Canada57 Threads 1,839 Posts
lindsyjones: That comment is for this poster


You are non-specific....do you mean me?
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Jun 5, 2015 4:42 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
DertyHarry44
DertyHarry44DertyHarry44Lakeland, Florida USA91 Threads 1,102 Posts
incentives by government nothing new it's been done for hundreds years, and believe it or not most incentives goes to Americans with a higher education to work overseas
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Jun 5, 2015 6:00 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
No its for the Funke girl from London
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Jun 5, 2015 6:35 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
funke3: I don't believe u.Not many people believe u.!
Anyway we are all immigrants in the world, We all only born to live here for a while.
So your thread only works with brittle minded folks like yourself.


What I meant is you're full of baloney.

Yes so why did they established proprietorship of land? Or you want to violate local and international laws?
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Jun 5, 2015 6:40 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Da_Moose
Da_MooseDa_MooseWestlock, Alberta Canada57 Threads 1,839 Posts
peace
kidatheart: Don't start bringing realistic arguments to the table, this is an Obama/gov't hate thread.


DO NOT EVER EXCUSE ME OF BEING REALISTIC!

LOL!
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Jun 5, 2015 11:40 PM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Kattte
KattteKattteVancouver, British Columbia Canada759 Posts
$3000.00 to hire “Native-Born Americans”? Does that include or exclude Native American people? Knowing the negative attitudes towards Native Americans, I would venture to say they are excluded from any hiring policies. Seems that white american immigrant descendants hate the Native Americans too much to hire them. I sometimes wonder who are hated more by the whites, the native American/ Indians or the Afro Americans; both seem to always make good target practice by many whites and especially their police forces….all good citizens all just itching to take the laws into their own hands…back in those nostalgic days of George Bush, one very loud supporter stated that ‘Americans are defined by who we hate!’ I’ve wondered what that definition is….or would it have to be ‘expletive deleted’….
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Jun 6, 2015 5:38 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Nidifugous: The government will easily recover those $ 3000 in tax revenues when those people hold legal, taxable jobs.


Completely ridiculous argument that rests on the assumption of infinite resources and growth. You must believe that every job filled in the labour market creates an equal job somewhere else - which doesn't necessarily happen during the best of times/biggest of booms, let alone when times are hard.

Anyway, they can tax a job with or without making an American worker redundant. And the one redundant worker will cost America more than the taxes on one migrant wage.
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Jun 6, 2015 6:04 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Completely ridiculous argument that rests on the assumption of infinite resources and growth. You must believe that every job filled in the labour market creates an equal job somewhere else - which doesn't necessarily happen during the best of times/biggest of booms, let alone when times are hard.

Anyway, they can tax a job with or without making an American worker redundant. And the one redundant worker will cost America more than the taxes on one migrant wage.


This is what worries me about America's leftoids. You don't need to remind the Left elsewhere that the earth is a finite resource and society lives within limits and boundaries. The pie being finite is what underlies the argument against greed and the need for sharing.

But the American belief of the infinite pie, utter excess and knowing no boundaries is a disaster combined with the pathological altruism of leftoids. You will give away everything because you expect some godly force to re-supply you and your excesses. Just like your peers on the American Right(since Reagan), you expect money and opportunity to simply fall from the sky.

It's as if you've reverted to the frontier of an undiscovered country with all its potential, or still growing fat off the land and resources stolen from a native people, in any case you have to grow up and stop expecting to be endlessly provided for be it by the market or the state.
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Jun 6, 2015 6:39 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Completely ridiculous argument that rests on the assumption of infinite resources and growth. You must believe that every job filled in the labour market creates an equal job somewhere else - which doesn't necessarily happen during the best of times/biggest of booms, let alone when times are hard.

Anyway, they can tax a job with or without making an American worker redundant. And the one redundant worker will cost America more than the taxes on one migrant wage.


You're assuming that hiring a legal immigrant replaces a native born worker. That's not the case. There is no redundancy. We have plenty of low wage and unskilled labor vacancies. No surplus there. These positions are often filled by illegal immigrants now who pay nothing into the system.

Since the link is dead, I don't know what the OPs argument is.
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Jun 6, 2015 6:39 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Nidifugous
NidifugousNidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia38 Threads 3 Polls 1,430 Posts
Sorry.. I meant no shortage of unskilled labour positions.
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Jun 6, 2015 7:24 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Why would any nation chronically underemployed in a world where globalisation and technological change diminish the value of human capital by the day wish to import millions of cheap and easy labourers?

I know why Reagan called amnesty on the illegals because I can see why Far-Right capitalists would seek to drive down the value of labour to nothing. But to any American not a member of the far-right cartel/capitalist elite you'd be insane to call for amnesty. Be it social conscience or patriotism some reason should make you take the stand against the amnesty.

And if our society and economies ever right themselves, and there is a new surplus to be shared around, you can be damn sure that these profits will not be shared amongst a fractured and multicultural working class that can not stand as one because they are not one people. Mass immigration and the ethnic fractures and cultural chasms it causes are the #1 weapon bosses have against the workers.

And do the politically correct ever stop to consider the effect that mass emigration has on the foreign nation? No, these people are too busy feigning moral righteousness and pretending to know the world and all its culture when they clearly know nothing beyond their narrow, ideological horizons.
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Jun 6, 2015 7:35 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
dutchfreckles
dutchfrecklesdutchfrecklesmaaseik, Limburg Belgium86 Posts
that is just a candy ,to prommis money for the hire all the illegal so the now the names from all those poor basterds so the can be deported in the end ,the 3000 they will need to pay the coyotes to bring them bach over the mexican border
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Jun 6, 2015 8:22 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
America has chased cheap labour in an attempt to maximise profits, England is trying the same thing , and the 0 hours contract is one way of doing it.

Both America and England are owned by big business. Why are you so surprised that the respective governments use the law to maximise their profits.
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Jun 6, 2015 10:08 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
galrads: Why does our government do stuff like this...

Probably the same reason Vietnamese immigrants in the '70s and '80s got preferential housing and job treatment over returning U.S. Vietnam war veterans.

Our government has messed up both of these countries and displaced their populations. The Vietnam conflict was largely part of the Cold War; Mexico troubles stem mostly out of USA greed, period.

But, what do I know.
the UN/nwo way,why the satanist want our guns,muslims are tryin 2 takeover UK,etc.itll be on like a pot of neckbones here,dead muzrats or civil war/ww3.
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Jun 6, 2015 11:46 AM CST Why does the Government offer incetives to Employers to hire illegals ofer Native-Born Americans?
I beg to disagree but the native Americans couldn't be hated by the white people. At least under current system. Question is, why would they even bother getting s job. Their casinos are the most profitable venture in the country of all time.

I know it because my best friend is one of them.
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