Rimi123: Death sentance is a debateful issue in entire world.some nations have banned capital punishment.
Some criminals cannot be rehabilitated such as serial killers, rapists and p*dophile. Should society foot the bill while these criminals serve life getting three meals a day and cable TV?
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Willow3939: Some criminals cannot be rehabilitated such as serial killers, rapists and p*dophile. Should society foot the bill while these criminals serve life getting three meals a day and cable TV?
A fate worse than death if it's anything like out freeview television, endless repeats
tomcatwarne: A fate worse than death if it's anything like out freeview television, endless repeats
But seriously, why should we show compassion/caring to a criminal when he showed none to his victim? When did the rights of a criminal become more important than the victim's?
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Willow3939: But seriously, why should we show compassion/caring to a criminal when he showed none to his victim? When did the rights of a criminal become more important than the victim's?
I have just been watching the news and a young arab boy is about to be beheaded in public. Do you think we should reduce ourselves to the same barbarism as this.
tomcatwarne: I have just been watching the news and a young arab boy is about to be beheaded in public. Do you think we should reduce ourselves to the same barbarism as this.
No. Public executions are barbaric. Death is not a spectator sport. I'd like to think we've moved past the days of the Roman Coliseum.
The problem with capital punishment is that sometimes a innocent person will be executed and once its done, there is no going back.
In America alone, there has been many innocent people sent to the chair because the kangaroo courts were more interested in frying people than true justice.
Track16: The problem with capital punishment is that sometimes a innocent person will be executed and once its done, there is no going back.
In America alone, there has been many innocent people sent to the chair because the kangaroo courts were more interested in frying people than true justice.
Yes, this has happened in the past. I'd say that to warrant the death penalty, the proof should be irrefutable.
Willow3939: But seriously, why should we show compassion/caring to a criminal when he showed none to his victim? When did the rights of a criminal become more important than the victim's?
Grace. An eye for an eye is not an ethic we like. Or at the least we will not give the state power to act with the murderous revenge of an individual.
Maybe you could argue for the death capital as a deterrent. That it's cruel-to-be-kind. That's less barbaric.
jac_the_gripper: Unlike the case of Richard Glossip who is due to executed in less than two hours time.
I was unaware of his upcoming execution and had to look it up. Sounds like the justice system failed this man at every turn. I do not understand how he got convicted on evidence that is hearsay at best.
serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa2,821 posts
Willow3939: But seriously, why should we show compassion/caring to a criminal when he showed none to his victim? When did the rights of a criminal become more important than the victim's?
Track16: The problem with capital punishment is that sometimes a innocent person will be executed and once its done, there is no going back.
In America alone, there has been many innocent people sent to the chair because the kangaroo courts were more interested in frying people than true justice.
...and the unofficial Lynching's of African American's that took place, when NO crime was committed at all.
Willow3939: I was unaware of his upcoming execution and had to look it up. Sounds like the justice system failed this man at every turn. I do not understand how he got convicted on evidence that is hearsay at best.
I think it demonstrates that capital punishment is not a matter of philosophical debate, so much as legal and political machinations.
The US trying to claim that death is the ultimate penalty for the worst of the worst simply doesn't fit with the idea that Richard Glossip would likely have been released by now had he accepted a plea deal and admitted guilt.
As a man claiming innocence who trusted the legal system to acquit him, it appears he is in effect being executed because folk think he's telling porkies.
jac_the_gripper: I think it demonstrates that capital punishment is not a matter of philosophical debate, so much as legal and political machinations.
The US trying to claim that death is the ultimate penalty for the worst of the worst simply doesn't fit with the idea that Richard Glossip would likely have been released by now had he accepted a plea deal and admitted guilt.
As a man claiming innocence who trusted the legal system to acquit him, it appears he is in effect being executed because folk think he's telling porkies.
I agree. It appears that every bit of his case was mishandled and his punishment does not fit the crime.
since DNA has come into being its been proven 1 in 10 on death row are innocent of the crimes they were convicted of.. I know of dozens of cases from the news.. so how many innocents has the state murdered before DNA?? fact is that as long as the system is run by humans it will never be perfect.. for that reason and that reason alone I'm against capitol punishment.. even tho some criminals surely deserve it
Willow3939: But seriously, why should we show compassion/caring to a criminal when he showed none to his victim? When did the rights of a criminal become more important than the victim's?
Because showing no compassion is wrong?
Because torture and murder are criminal acts, or at least should be?
Because execution is a poor role model in our societies?
Because we should have compassion for the children whose parents are executed who are in effect being punished for something which isn't their fault?
Because the educated and privileged in positions of power should know better than to torture and kill?
Rimi123: Death sentance is a debateful issue in entire world.some nations have banned capital punishment.
Though i'm completely against capital punishment, sad to say that some countries still practice it without any guilty feeling even though competence and perfect judgement can never be attained,, it's the law,, a human law,, so it should be stricly applied,, and who are this human judging another human, and worst ,,many erroneous judgements we're proven ,, so if i were to align myself to this practice,,, sentence to death too those judges who give orders to kill innocent ones, why should they be spared ????
cost of imprisonment was also mentioned in this thread.. well on a cost basis a capitol murder trial usually adds up to between $3-$4 million dollars.. the same price as keeping someone incarnated for 50+ years.. it usually costs the system far more to execute someone than to lock them up for life
serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa2,821 posts
JustBrian: since DNA has come into being its been proven 1 in 10 on death row are innocent of the crimes they were convicted of.. I know of dozens of cases from the news.. so how many innocents has the state murdered before DNA?? fact is that as long as the system is run by humans it will never be perfect.. for that reason and that reason alone I'm against capitol punishment.. even tho some criminals surely deserve it
We do know that their victims (sometimes babies) WERE innocent..don't need DNA to prove that..They didn't deserve to die either
the victims are always innocent.. and the guilty should be punished.. and parole should not ever be an option.. but to risk killing an innocent over the death of another innocent I don't believe is a risk worth taking.. because when society kills an innocent isn't that also murder?? it is.
jac_the_gripper: Because showing no compassion is wrong?
Because torture and murder are criminal acts, or at least should be?
Because execution is a poor role model in our societies?
Because we should have compassion for the children whose parents are executed who are in effect being punished for something which isn't their fault?
Because the educated and privileged in positions of power should know better than to torture and kill?
jac,, that's true and i may add; Because educated and privileged in positions could have such an easy way to falsify any existing documents that could prove they executed wrong judgements,, resulting from a probable incompetence of the people investigating on the matter. All humans are subject to being a corrupt and none is excempt from commiting errors.
JustBrian: the victims are always innocent.. and the guilty should be punished.. and parole should not ever be an option.. but to risk killing an innocent over the death of another innocent I don't believe is a risk worth taking.. because when society kills an innocent isn't that also murder?? it is.
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