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Sep 30, 2015 12:04 PM CSTCapital punishment should be banned ??

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Death sentance is a debateful issue in entire world.some nations have banned capital punishment.
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Sep 30, 2015 12:13 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Rimi123: Death sentance is a debateful issue in entire world.some nations have banned capital punishment.


Murdering the enemies of society is a simple and attractive idea for countries in a squeeze.
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Sep 30, 2015 12:19 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Murdering the enemies of society is a simple and attractive idea for countries in a squeeze.


The covert activities of our secret services are for our protection.

You could say that no one should be above the law. But they are.

There is no public capital punishment in the UK.
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Sep 30, 2015 12:21 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
pedalguy59
pedalguy59pedalguy59Burlington, Ontario Canada28 Threads 1 Polls 6,976 Posts
Rimi123: Death sentance is a debateful issue in entire world.some nations have banned capital punishment.


wave It's banned here. I still want to strangle some people
in the Grocery line though.laugh
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Sep 30, 2015 12:22 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
pedalguy59: It's banned here. I still want to strangle some people
in the Grocery line though.


That's differentgrin beer
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Sep 30, 2015 12:32 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
tomcatwarne: The covert activities of our secret services are for our protection.

You could say that no one should be above the law. But they are.

There is no public capital punishment in the UK.


No need for it here. We'll leave capital punishment to the less forward parts of the earth. Officially.
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Sep 30, 2015 12:33 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Willow3939
Willow3939Willow3939Greer, South Carolina USA8 Threads 2 Polls 799 Posts
Rimi123: Death sentance is a debateful issue in entire world.some nations have banned capital punishment.


Some criminals cannot be rehabilitated such as serial killers, rapists and p*dophile. Should society foot the bill while these criminals serve life getting three meals a day and cable TV?
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Sep 30, 2015 12:36 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Willow3939: Some criminals cannot be rehabilitated such as serial killers, rapists and p*dophile. Should society foot the bill while these criminals serve life getting three meals a day and cable TV?


A fate worse than death if it's anything like out freeview television, endless repeatsgrin bouquet
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Sep 30, 2015 12:43 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Willow3939
Willow3939Willow3939Greer, South Carolina USA8 Threads 2 Polls 799 Posts
tomcatwarne: A fate worse than death if it's anything like out freeview television, endless repeats


laugh But seriously, why should we show compassion/caring to a criminal when he showed none to his victim? When did the rights of a criminal become more important than the victim's?
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Sep 30, 2015 12:47 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Willow3939: But seriously, why should we show compassion/caring to a criminal when he showed none to his victim? When did the rights of a criminal become more important than the victim's?


I have just been watching the news and a young arab boy is about to be beheaded in public. Do you think we should reduce ourselves to the same barbarism as this.
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Sep 30, 2015 12:53 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Willow3939
Willow3939Willow3939Greer, South Carolina USA8 Threads 2 Polls 799 Posts
tomcatwarne: I have just been watching the news and a young arab boy is about to be beheaded in public. Do you think we should reduce ourselves to the same barbarism as this.


No. Public executions are barbaric. Death is not a spectator sport. I'd like to think we've moved past the days of the Roman Coliseum.
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Sep 30, 2015 12:57 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
The problem with capital punishment is that sometimes a innocent person will be executed and once its done, there is no going back.

In America alone, there has been many innocent people sent to the chair because the kangaroo courts were more interested in frying people than true justice.
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Sep 30, 2015 1:04 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Willow3939
Willow3939Willow3939Greer, South Carolina USA8 Threads 2 Polls 799 Posts
Track16: The problem with capital punishment is that sometimes a innocent person will be executed and once its done, there is no going back.

In America alone, there has been many innocent people sent to the chair because the kangaroo courts were more interested in frying people than true justice.


Yes, this has happened in the past. I'd say that to warrant the death penalty, the proof should be irrefutable.
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Sep 30, 2015 1:15 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Willow3939: Yes, this has happened in the past. I'd say that to warrant the death penalty, the proof should be irrefutable.

Unlike the case of Richard Glossip who is due to executed in less than two hours time.
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Sep 30, 2015 1:19 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Willow3939: But seriously, why should we show compassion/caring to a criminal when he showed none to his victim? When did the rights of a criminal become more important than the victim's?


Grace. An eye for an eye is not an ethic we like. Or at the least we will not give the state power to act with the murderous revenge of an individual.

Maybe you could argue for the death capital as a deterrent. That it's cruel-to-be-kind. That's less barbaric.
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Sep 30, 2015 1:36 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Willow3939
Willow3939Willow3939Greer, South Carolina USA8 Threads 2 Polls 799 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Unlike the case of Richard Glossip who is due to executed in less than two hours time.


I was unaware of his upcoming execution and had to look it up. Sounds like the justice system failed this man at every turn. I do not understand how he got convicted on evidence that is hearsay at best.
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Sep 30, 2015 2:23 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
serena123
serena123serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa44 Threads 2 Polls 2,821 Posts
Willow3939: But seriously, why should we show compassion/caring to a criminal when he showed none to his victim? When did the rights of a criminal become more important than the victim's?

thumbs up
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Sep 30, 2015 2:28 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
pedalguy59
pedalguy59pedalguy59Burlington, Ontario Canada28 Threads 1 Polls 6,976 Posts
Track16: The problem with capital punishment is that sometimes a innocent person will be executed and once its done, there is no going back.

In America alone, there has been many innocent people sent to the chair because the kangaroo courts were more interested in frying people than true justice.


...and the unofficial Lynching's of African American's that took
place, when NO crime was committed at all.
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Sep 30, 2015 2:30 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Willow3939: I was unaware of his upcoming execution and had to look it up. Sounds like the justice system failed this man at every turn. I do not understand how he got convicted on evidence that is hearsay at best.

I think it demonstrates that capital punishment is not a matter of philosophical debate, so much as legal and political machinations.

The US trying to claim that death is the ultimate penalty for the worst of the worst simply doesn't fit with the idea that Richard Glossip would likely have been released by now had he accepted a plea deal and admitted guilt.

As a man claiming innocence who trusted the legal system to acquit him, it appears he is in effect being executed because folk think he's telling porkies.
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Sep 30, 2015 2:35 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Willow3939
Willow3939Willow3939Greer, South Carolina USA8 Threads 2 Polls 799 Posts
jac_the_gripper: I think it demonstrates that capital punishment is not a matter of philosophical debate, so much as legal and political machinations.

The US trying to claim that death is the ultimate penalty for the worst of the worst simply doesn't fit with the idea that Richard Glossip would likely have been released by now had he accepted a plea deal and admitted guilt.

As a man claiming innocence who trusted the legal system to acquit him, it appears he is in effect being executed because folk think he's telling porkies.


I agree. It appears that every bit of his case was mishandled and his punishment does not fit the crime.
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Sep 30, 2015 2:35 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
JustBrian
JustBrianJustBrianwarrensburg, New York USA61 Posts
since DNA has come into being its been proven 1 in 10 on death row are innocent of the crimes they were convicted of.. I know of dozens of cases from the news.. so how many innocents has the state murdered before DNA?? fact is that as long as the system is run by humans it will never be perfect.. for that reason and that reason alone I'm against capitol punishment.. even tho some criminals surely deserve it
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Sep 30, 2015 2:44 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Willow3939: But seriously, why should we show compassion/caring to a criminal when he showed none to his victim? When did the rights of a criminal become more important than the victim's?

Because showing no compassion is wrong?

Because torture and murder are criminal acts, or at least should be?

Because execution is a poor role model in our societies?

Because we should have compassion for the children whose parents are executed who are in effect being punished for something which isn't their fault?

Because the educated and privileged in positions of power should know better than to torture and kill?
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Sep 30, 2015 2:47 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Babettefr
BabettefrBabettefrLa France, Pays de la Loire France13 Threads 1,955 Posts
Rimi123: Death sentance is a debateful issue in entire world.some nations have banned capital punishment.


Though i'm completely against capital punishment, sad to say that some countries still practice it without any guilty feeling even though competence and perfect judgement can never be attained,, it's the law,, a human law,, so it should be stricly applied,, and who are this human judging another human, and worst ,,many erroneous judgements we're proven ,, so if i were to align myself to this practice,,, sentence to death too those judges who give orders to kill innocent ones, why should they be spared ????
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Sep 30, 2015 2:49 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
JustBrian
JustBrianJustBrianwarrensburg, New York USA61 Posts
cost of imprisonment was also mentioned in this thread.. well on a cost basis a capitol murder trial usually adds up to between $3-$4 million dollars.. the same price as keeping someone incarnated for 50+ years.. it usually costs the system far more to execute someone than to lock them up for life
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Sep 30, 2015 2:53 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Willow3939: I agree. It appears that every bit of his case was mishandled and his punishment does not fit the crime.

It's not just a case of mishandling, it's how the US justice system functions.

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Sep 30, 2015 2:53 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
serena123
serena123serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa44 Threads 2 Polls 2,821 Posts
JustBrian: since DNA has come into being its been proven 1 in 10 on death row are innocent of the crimes they were convicted of.. I know of dozens of cases from the news.. so how many innocents has the state murdered before DNA?? fact is that as long as the system is run by humans it will never be perfect.. for that reason and that reason alone I'm against capitol punishment.. even tho some criminals surely deserve it

We do know that their victims (sometimes babies) WERE innocent..don't need DNA to prove that..They didn't deserve to die either
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Sep 30, 2015 2:55 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
5 minutes ago:

UPDATE: Richard Glossip's execution remains on hold while OK waits for word from the SCOTUS regarding his last ditch attempt for clemency
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Sep 30, 2015 2:58 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
30 seconds ago:

BREAKING: Supreme Court refuses to stop Richard Glossip's execution in Oklahoma amidst claims he's innocent.
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Sep 30, 2015 2:59 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
JustBrian
JustBrianJustBrianwarrensburg, New York USA61 Posts
the victims are always innocent.. and the guilty should be punished.. and parole should not ever be an option.. but to risk killing an innocent over the death of another innocent I don't believe is a risk worth taking.. because when society kills an innocent isn't that also murder?? it is.
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Sep 30, 2015 2:59 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
Babettefr
BabettefrBabettefrLa France, Pays de la Loire France13 Threads 1,955 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Because showing no compassion is wrong?

Because torture and murder are criminal acts, or at least should be?

Because execution is a poor role model in our societies?

Because we should have compassion for the children whose parents are executed who are in effect being punished for something which isn't their fault?

Because the educated and privileged in positions of power should know better than to torture and kill?


jac,, that's true and i may add;
Because educated and privileged in positions could have such an easy way to falsify any existing documents that could prove they executed wrong judgements,, resulting from a probable incompetence of the people investigating on the matter. All humans are subject to being a corrupt and none is excempt from commiting errors.
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Sep 30, 2015 3:01 PM CST Capital punishment should be banned ??
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
JustBrian: the victims are always innocent.. and the guilty should be punished.. and parole should not ever be an option.. but to risk killing an innocent over the death of another innocent I don't believe is a risk worth taking.. because when society kills an innocent isn't that also murder?? it is.


Agreed thumbs up
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