Who Makes a better President for the United States (117)

Jan 3, 2016 9:04 PM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
WhatUwish4: You can only have ONE nominee, Purr, and it isn't going to be Sanders. So this little bit of sunshine is completely irrelevant.


And if by some miracle he does become the nominee, it is more likely that people would vote for Trump before EVER knowingly voting for a creepy old socialist who has grand ideas and no idea how to pay for them
Jan 3, 2016 9:09 PM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
purr4mance: Rasmussen ReportsIf the 2016 presidential election was held today, 37% of Likely U.S. Voters would vote for Clinton, while 36% would vote for Trump. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that a sizable 22% would choose some other candidate, while five percent (5%) are undecided.



the poll says 22 percent would choose ANOTHER candidate while another 5 percent are undecided.

27 percent could vote for anyone besides clinton or trump.

you are assuming the 27 percent are republican and will vote for a gop candidate.

not so, the 27 percent could end up voting for sanders or not even leave there homes to cast a vote.

sanders is leading all gop candidates according to the polls, but still lags clinton.
Jan 3, 2016 9:17 PM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
purr4mance: the poll says 22 percent would choose ANOTHER candidate while another 5 percent are undecided.

27 percent could vote for anyone besides clinton or trump.

you are assuming the 27 percent are republican and will vote for a gop candidate.

not so, the 27 percent could end up voting for sanders or not even leave there homes to cast a vote.

sanders is leading all gop candidates according to the polls, but still lags clinton.


Sanders is so insignificant nobody is even paying attention to him. Should he become the nominee over Clinton, I can guarantee you the dems will lose more voters than the GOP
Jan 3, 2016 9:18 PM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Good luck with this little argument you are trying to push here. I think it's a waste of time personally, but if it makes you happy, have at it. I'm not going to waste any more time on it.
Jan 3, 2016 9:51 PM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
purr4mance
purr4mancepurr4manceCleveland, Ohio USA4,825 Posts
WhatUwish4: Sanders is so insignificant nobody is even paying attention to him. Should he become the nominee over Clinton, I can guarantee you the dems will lose more voters than the GOP


really .........



1. After delivering his strongest debate performance yet, Bernie Sanders won every online poll that asked viewers to pick a winner from the third Democratic contest.

2. He now holds a commanding lead over Hillary Clinton in the key state of New Hampshire and continues to gain momentum in Iowa.

3. Sanders won the readers' poll for TIME Person of the Year, topping Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Pope Francis and other world leaders.

4. He earned endorsements from Ronda Rousey, Killer Mike, Leonardo DiCaprio, Danny DeVito, Will Ferrell, Sarah Silverman and Dr. Cornel West.

5. He also secured an important endorsement from the Communications Workers of America union, a group of over 700,000 workers.

6. Sanders then scored big with an unprecedented endorsement from the progressive group, Democracy for America. This marks the first time in history that Democracy for America has endorsed a presidential candidate in the primaries.

7. Last week, Sanders received the final dollars he needed to break a historic milestone. The senator officially hit two million individual campaign contributions, a feat that no other U.S. presidential candidate has achieved at this point in an election.

* To put that number in context, Barack Obama's historic 2008 campaign managed to break just one million contributions. Sanders literally has twice what Obama had. Not only that, but Sanders reached two million faster than President Obama reached one.

8. After the DNC cut off Sanders' access to important voter data last Friday, his supporters rallied and managed to raise over a million dollars in just one day.

9. Although Sanders was not participating in the most recent Republican debate, he posted the most popular tweet of the night and witnessed a larger growth in Twitter followers than any GOP candidate who was debating, Donald Trump included.

10. Speaking of Trump, poll after poll suggests that Sanders is better positioned than Clinton to beat Trump in a head-to-head general election. While the corporate media often point out that Clinton is the one on track to beat the Republican frontrunner, they rarely acknowledge that Sanders is too, and by a wider margin than Clinton.
Jan 3, 2016 10:02 PM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
Laddy David does a great impersonation of Sanders on SNL. That's about as far as "Sanders" is going to get
Jan 3, 2016 10:08 PM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
Smooth418: Presidents

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Jan 3, 2016 10:20 PM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
Sanders , the commie jew .

Bernie Sanders has surged in the polls among the Democratic candidates vying for the US presidency. This fact should worry Jews.




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Mr. Sanders represents the leftist fringe of American liberalism. This constituency is notorious for its one-sided criticism of Israel and tolerance for the BDS movement. Although Bernie Sanders does not openly condemn Zionism, as a US senator he has repeatedly refused to support resolutions that empathize with Israel’s predicaments. Furthermore he has publicly criticized Israel for "overreacting" in the struggle against the Islamist Hamas movement


Left leaning Jew frowning on Israel defending it's self . He won't find much favour with the pro Israel bunch , What's his face's Trump daughter has converted to Judaism . Fec that vote for Sanders .

paste from y-net......http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4712929,00.html

I just love it when a change in polls is grasped on with relish but past ones not pandering a certain way are discounted .



clutching at straws springs to mind .
Jan 3, 2016 10:31 PM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
"According to an August 2012 article in the New Yorker, not only couldn’t Soros get special time with Obama, he couldn’t get ahold of Obama at all.

“Confidants say that, although he still supports Obama, Soros has been disappointed by him, both politically and personally. When Soros wanted to meet with Obama in Washington to discuss global economic problems, Obama’s staff failed to respond.”

That’s exactly the way it SHOULD be. If Bernie Sanders were president, it would be the same way. He doesn’t accept special PAC money. Hillary does. While it would be nice to have the first female president in our nation’s history, sadly, we can’t say the same thing about Hillary based on this information. She may be 1000 times better than any Republican running, but the first vote hasn’t even been cast yet. Voters still have a decision to make – and they can vote for Bernie. He’s capable of winning this thing."






I do find it funny that so many Americans still think "socialist" is somehow a dirty word. Maybe they should pick up a dictionary. laugh

It isn't 1954 anymore, wake up. professor
Jan 3, 2016 11:53 PM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
bohemianjack
bohemianjackbohemianjackEast Central, Minnesota USA6 Threads 2 Polls 2,700 Posts
WhatUwish4: Absolutely NOT Hillary. Trump isn't my favorite but he is far more competent and honest than anything the left has coughed up


The DNC is bankrupt supporting Hillary's political aspirations.. wink

And Trump is honest unlike anyone from the right.. laugh
Jan 4, 2016 12:32 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
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Jan 4, 2016 1:00 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
What if , when Obama said he would bomb Assad if he used gas Obama bombed the crap out of him , not enough to cause the fall of Assad . Lavrov might have said to Kerry your boss has a big ball . Lets agree on what we can , is not the booze and the food good here ! stuff the arabs , here have another drink . Would Putin have done as much in Ukraine . Iran more than likely would have said here are our nukes . But no . So here we are with a dangerous situation . Obama and co have led us here , all but one of the GOP runners want to have a no fly zone over Syria and shoot down any planes flying in the zone . That's ww3 take it or leave it . Then there Trump , wild hair , big mouth with a never ending stream of insults . Easy choice aye .
Jan 4, 2016 5:02 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
"Who Makes a better President for the United States
Hilary Clinton
Donald Trump"

You may be asking
What would you like ! a kick in the teeth or a punch in the balls ? dunno
Jan 4, 2016 5:47 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
Johnny5IA
Johnny5IAJohnny5IAFuengirola, Andalusia Spain39 Threads 1 Polls 721 Posts
nonsmoker: "Who Makes a better President for the United States
Hilary Clinton
Donald Trump"

You may be asking
What would you like ! a kick in the teeth or a punch in the balls ?

Hi nonsmoker are you really a nonsmoker or are you an ex-smoker?
Jan 4, 2016 6:41 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
really .........
1. After delivering his strongest debate performance yet, Bernie Sanders won every online poll that asked viewers to pick a winner from the third Democratic contest.

2. He now holds a commanding lead over Hillary Clinton in the key state of New Hampshire and continues to gain momentum in Iowa.

3. Sanders won the readers' poll for TIME Person of the Year, topping Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Pope Francis and other world leaders.

4. He earned endorsements from Ronda Rousey, Killer Mike, Leonardo DiCaprio, Danny DeVito, Will Ferrell, Sarah Silverman and Dr. Cornel West.

5. He also secured an important endorsement from the Communications Workers of America union, a group of over 700,000 workers.

6. Sanders then scored big with an unprecedented endorsement from the progressive group, Democracy for America. This marks the first time in history that Democracy for America has endorsed a presidential candidate in the primaries.

7. Last week, Sanders received the final dollars he needed to break a historic milestone. The senator officially hit two million individual campaign contributions, a feat that no other U.S. presidential candidate has achieved at this point in an election.

* To put that number in context, Barack Obama's historic 2008 campaign managed to break just one million contributions. Sanders literally has twice what Obama had. Not only that, but Sanders reached two million faster than President Obama reached one.

8. After the DNC cut off Sanders' access to important voter data last Friday, his supporters rallied and managed to raise over a million dollars in just one day.

9. Although Sanders was not participating in the most recent Republican debate, he posted the most popular tweet of the night and witnessed a larger growth in Twitter followers than any GOP candidate who was debating, Donald Trump included.

10. Speaking of Trump, poll after poll suggests that Sanders is better positioned than Clinton to beat Trump in a head-to-head general election. While the corporate media often point out that Clinton is the one on track to beat the Republican frontrunner, they rarely acknowledge that Sanders is too, and by a wider margin than Clinton.[/quote)

Yes, Purr, really. You don't seem to understand so I'll try again. THERE CAN ONLE BE ONE NOMINEE (and it's likely going to be Hillary). At that point, Sanders is GONE, and so are all these poll predictions you are copying and pasting. Now, should he happen to win the nomination, you still are not taking into account how many Hillary voters, how many registered democrats who vote republican, and how many independents will vote for Trump - so again, you poll is worthless.

In fact, other polling suggest that Trump is already winning in these non-polled areas: According to new data by Civis Analytics, those who identify as Republicans but are actually registered as Democrats support Trump at a HIGHER rate than registered Republicans, and they are also more likely to turn out to vote.
Jan 4, 2016 6:44 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Yes, Purr, really. You don't seem to understand so I'll try again. THERE CAN ONLE BE ONE NOMINEE (and it's likely going to be Hillary). At that point, Sanders is GONE, and so are all these poll predictions you are copying and pasting. Now, should he happen to win the nomination, you still are not taking into account how many Hillary voters, how many registered democrats who vote republican, and how many independents will vote for Trump - so again, you poll is worthless.

In fact, other polling suggest that Trump is already winning in these non-polled areas: According to new data by Civis Analytics, those who identify as Republicans but are actually registered as Democrats support Trump at a HIGHER rate than registered Republicans, and they are also more likely to turn out to vote.
Jan 4, 2016 6:45 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
bohemianjack: The DNC is bankrupt supporting Hillary's political aspirations..

And Trump is honest unlike anyone from the right..


I didn't figure you for a Trump supporter. Are you? confused
Jan 4, 2016 7:08 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
Going to church is the quintessential experience for many Christians in America. On Sunday mornings they gather inside a familiar building to sing, pray, commune, and hear a portion of the Word of God.

But being a Christian is about far more than going to church once a week, according to ordained minister Rafael Cruz. In fact, it’s really about what a Christian does outside the walls of the church.


Read more at
Jan 4, 2016 7:48 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
stringman: Going to church is the quintessential experience for many Christians in America. On Sunday mornings they gather inside a familiar building to sing, pray, commune, and hear a portion of the Word of God.

But being a Christian is about far more than going to church once a week, according to ordained minister Rafael Cruz. In fact, it’s really about what a Christian does outside the walls of the church.Read more at


I'm not a big Cruz fan, although I would vote for him over Hillary because at least he ethical while she clearly isn't. My concern is that he has no real skills that I can see. Another Constitutional Lawyer? We saw how well that's worked out. And while I fully support religious rights and the valuable role religion plays in our society, I think it is a serious mistake to base his campaign on evangelical arguments. There are just far too many more pressing concerns when it comes to running this country.
Jan 4, 2016 8:07 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
WhatUwish4: I'm not a big Cruz fan, although I would vote for him over Hillary because at least he ethical while she clearly isn't. My concern is that he has no real skills that I can see. Another Constitutional Lawyer? We saw how well that's worked out. And while I fully support religious rights and the valuable role religion plays in our society, I think it is a serious mistake to base his campaign on evangelical arguments. There are just far too many more pressing concerns when it comes to running this country.


the way I see it is that the US has taken GOD out of the country or the politicians have. GOD had made America great and protected it from harm.but you can see that things are in a mess.911 was a wake up call. we created our own mess with poor leadership. and lack of faith. anyway that's what I think .
Jan 4, 2016 8:12 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
Len05
Len05Len05Antwerp, Antwerpen Belgium33 Threads 11 Polls 972 Posts
I don't get the Americans.

Sanders has better points.
America can't pay for stuff?
"In 2013, Warren Buffet made an average of $37 million — per day.
To put that in perspective for you: Jennifer Lawrence made an estimated $34 million — in all of 2013.
Buffett currently has the number three spot on Forbes' World Billionaires List, with a net worth of $73 billion."

These guys are taking the money. Imagine how much better the US would be if that money flowed to people that actually spend it.
But America doesn't believe in their people.

I read somewhere here on the forums.
"Hillary will give free education to those people that will not repay it or will be useless." - or something in that spirit

At that point i must say the USA is not liberal or land of the free.
Their constitution is more ethical than most citizens thinking.

But people that have to struggle to get an income or are driven to get income don't have time for ethical questions.
Jan 4, 2016 8:23 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
stringman: the way I see it is that the US has taken GOD out of the country or the politicians have. GOD had made America great and protected it from harm.but you can see that things are in a mess.911 was a wake up call. we created our own mess with poor leadership. and lack of faith. anyway that's what I think .


I completely understand what you are saying and I don't really disagree. I just view the government as a completely different kind of entity now that it has grown so large and unmanageable. When I look at candidates, I want to see who can actually go in there and start MANAGING the mismanaged, cumbersome, over-reaching, and corrupt organizations that are consuming vast amounts of tax dollars and ruining American lives. There's more, such as foreign policy, etc. So I'm not discounting the value of religion.. just would prefer my candidate to focus more on other things and not dwell on private religious issues
Jan 4, 2016 8:28 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
kariena
karienakarienaAlberton, Gauteng South Africa1 Threads 112 Posts
What about the Kardashians? It would be so much easier to keep up with lol....peace
Jan 4, 2016 8:33 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Len05: I don't get the Americans.

Sanders has better points.
America can't pay for stuff?
"In 2013, Warren Buffet made an average of $37 million — per day.
To put that in perspective for you: Jennifer Lawrence made an estimated $34 million — in all of 2013.
Buffett currently has the number three spot on Forbes' World Billionaires List, with a net worth of $73 billion."

These guys are taking the money. Imagine how much better the US would be if that money flowed to people that actually spend it.
But America doesn't believe in their people.

I read somewhere here on the forums.
"Hillary will give free education to those people that will not repay it or will be useless." - or something in that spirit

At that point i must say the USA is not liberal or land of the free.
Their constitution is more ethical than most citizens thinking.

But people that have to struggle to get an income or are driven to get income don't have time for ethical questions.
Jan 4, 2016 8:33 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Len05: I don't get the Americans.

Sanders has better points.
America can't pay for stuff?
"In 2013, Warren Buffet made an average of $37 million — per day.
To put that in perspective for you: Jennifer Lawrence made an estimated $34 million — in all of 2013.
Buffett currently has the number three spot on Forbes' World Billionaires List, with a net worth of $73 billion."

These guys are taking the money. Imagine how much better the US would be if that money flowed to people that actually spend it.
But America doesn't believe in their people.

I read somewhere here on the forums.
"Hillary will give free education to those people that will not repay it or will be useless." - or something in that spirit

At that point i must say the USA is not liberal or land of the free.
Their constitution is more ethical than most citizens thinking.

But people that have to struggle to get an income or are driven to get income don't have time for ethical questions.
Jan 4, 2016 8:42 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Sorry. I keep losing my connection for some reason...

Len... it would probably help if people like Buffet actually paid their taxes, but I don't think he has. The problem with Sanders is that America fundamentally NOT a socialist country and it does not want to be. If it works for others, that's fine, but we haven't seen any compelling evidence that any one country is doing better as a result of socialism. What we see as Americans, it the rise of progressive/socialist policy which has BURDENED us in more ways that we can count. We've seen what "change" has done for us in the past seven years and it isn't pretty at all. Sanders is proposing lots of "free" ideas with not one single feasibility study to back up his claims. Our working, productive citizens are taking on MUCH bigger tax burdens while the corporations are taking on more and more costly regulations while the Bid Daddy government is literally throwing the money out the window. In short, the big government that liberals seem to worship is failing, and we know it. We've not about to let it get bigger because of some pie-in-the-sky ideas that have no logistical foundation
Jan 4, 2016 9:13 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
trump em.
Jan 4, 2016 9:16 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
TheRedSquirrel87
TheRedSquirrel87TheRedSquirrel87Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK1 Threads 1,107 Posts
WhatUwish4: Sorry. I keep losing my connection for some reason...

Len... it would probably help if people like Buffet actually paid their taxes, but I don't think he has. The problem with Sanders is that America fundamentally NOT a socialist country and it does not want to be. If it works for others, that's fine, but we haven't seen any compelling evidence that any one country is doing better as a result of socialism. What we see as Americans, it the rise of progressive/socialist policy which has BURDENED us in more ways that we can count. We've seen what "change" has done for us in the past seven years and it isn't pretty at all. Sanders is proposing lots of "free" ideas with not one single feasibility study to back up his claims. Our working, productive citizens are taking on MUCH bigger tax burdens while the corporations are taking on more and more costly regulations while the Bid Daddy government is literally throwing the money out the window. In short, the big government that liberals seem to worship is failing, and we know it. We've not about to let it get bigger because of some pie-in-the-sky ideas that have no logistical foundation


Socialism? Where? I see no cooperative ownership of the means of production. I'm not even quite sure where Bernie stands on nationalisation.

As far as I'm he wants to increase maternalism/welfare which formerly was a social safety net for big capitalism as much as anyone else. Not only in the direct sense by bailing out the banks, but it is what prevented the poor from hanging the rich in a society of widespread and increasing inequality. That's what makes me laugh about the stereotypical American right and it's complete absence of a plan for the poor. It's almost as if they've forgotten that welfarism was a measure designed to prevent socialism.
Jan 4, 2016 9:30 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
TheRedSquirrel87: Socialism? Where? I see no cooperative ownership of the means of production. I'm not even quite sure where Bernie stands on nationalisation.

As far as I'm he wants to increase maternalism/welfare which formerly was a social safety net as much as anyone else. Not only in the direct sense by bailing out the banks, but it is what prevented the poor from hanging the rich in a society of widespread and increasing inequality. That's what makes me laugh about the stereotypical American right and it's complete absence of a plan for the poor. It's almost as if they've forgotten that welfarism was a measure designed to prevent socialism.


The problem is that all they have managed to do is increase the social safety net with dollars and NO SOLUTIONS. Your "laughing about the stereotypical American right" only proves you do not understand the American experience or really what you are talking about. We have a plan for the poor and it's what propelled us to greatness in the first place: it's called JOBS and the free market system. It wasn't until the radical new progressives got their choke hole on America that we started "deamonizing" the very corporations that built our middle class - and government over-reach began regulating them into corners.

Don't even bother trying to deny this to me because I LIVED it. I came out of school and witnessed corporations offering job fairs, job training, comprehensive retirement and benefit packages, etc... because they were prospering, growing and there was serious COMPETITION for workers. If we were not qualified, they would TRAIN us FREE OF CHARGE. Then big daddy government stepped in, started monkeying with their everything, and the ritz hit the fan.

Nope...you simply do not understand
Jan 4, 2016 9:58 AM CST Who Makes a better President for the United States
Len05
Len05Len05Antwerp, Antwerpen Belgium33 Threads 11 Polls 972 Posts
yeah and no.
Here in Europe we already skipped a few steps further.
for one example: education offers a lot of jobs. who pays? normally the gov
We went to paid phd openings. a phd student gets about 1500euro/month here for 3 years. almost guaranteed. In the usa they have to apply for projects budgets mostly from companies/charities.
But then you have to have some faith in your students. But statistically it pays off.
Massive student debt, another point, how is it possible?
doh frustrated
These are the things that need to change.

The current system of low-paid jobs doesn't work. It is oudated. In these times, there is less to be done, instead of pushing people to get 80-hours workweeks, you should be able to live normal with about 40-hours workweeks.
Your job-system that people need food stamp and charity to cope even with jobs. That is a structural problem, and addressing it is the best way. (Which Sanders does)
Even if the us doesn't believe in socialism, believe a bit in statistics and research and science.
Your society is getting poorer in the cultural field.
Disney eating up Star Wars, too get more profit from toys, isn't the American dream. It also hardly generates jobs.

Socialism is everyone living in state housing and limited jobs, but you are far from it.
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