On 23rd June the voters on the electoral roll will decide whether or not the United Kingdom should remain in the EU. I lived in London 1978 - 2003 and saw very little benefit to belong]ing to the EU.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Winthrop48: On 23rd June the voters on the electoral roll will decide whether or not the United Kingdom should remain in the EU. I lived in London 1978 - 2003 and saw very little benefit to belong]ing to the EU.
A lot of people who are eligible to vote feel the same way, Of course the money and the banks want us to stay in, for obvious reasons.
....I want out....British own rules/....how we live...we brits have servived..for hundreds of years.the E.U...that self appointed bunch of misfits...would,nt know how to run a market stall...Brusells, we know about them dont we...they give you the wind..and make a stink when you fart...as with the E.U.....a load of ar**** holes...jmo....
i wont be voting as im irish but i really do think all other countries should butt out of this vote. the people of England will vote what they want and its nobody elses business after that. we all should respect what the people of england want.
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Many argue that the European Union (EU) has become an unaccountable, undemocratic federation with too many powers. Is it wrong that EU directives (EU law) supersedes British law? Is it right to have free labour movements between 27 states when the UK is suffering a recession?
TheRedSquirrel87Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK1,107 posts
Torn between an unnerving vote to leave and a disappointing vote to remain.
Ever since the fall of the empire Britain has been in the position of an old woman kept by a young relation. I mean we have the special relationship with the US, which China is now eating into, and so I'm left wondering will Britain actually be independent if we leave the EU? And if things don't work out will what happens to Britain be(yet again)not the responsibility of the British?
TheRedSquirrel87Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK1,107 posts
TheRedSquirrel87: Torn between an unnerving vote to leave and a disappointing vote to remain.
Ever since the fall of the empire Britain has been in the position of an old woman kept by a young relation. I mean we have the special relationship with the US, which China is now eating into, and so I'm left wondering will Britain actually be independent if we leave the EU? And if things don't work out will what happens to Britain be(yet again)not the responsibility of the British?
And that's a good point. I've never lost anybody I care about on the orders of dystopian Brussels, but I have lost people on the orders of Washington.
And the Muslims and the immigrants. If memory serves me well most of the British didn't see a problem with that and their being here now has nothing to do with the EU. The British people allowed the Rotherham Evil to happen, nothing to do with Brussels. When I look at the worst things Britain has done over recent years few of them have anything to do with the EU.
TheRedSquirrel87Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK1,107 posts
MintyFeet: I don't think anyone is really leaving as they are too afraid of economical recesion. Just like Scotland was too afraid to leave the uk
Idiots in Scotland voted to remain in the UK out of fear just as idiots with even less to lose voted to leave the UK through grass is always greener. The wiser ones voted to stay in the UK through prudence.
But yes the EU vote would likely go the same way. The vote to remain will win through a combination of the wise and the cowardly vote. The vote to leave is chiefly comprised of bottomfeeders(wonder why vote to leave is so popular here and elsewhere online?)with a minority of the super-rich who dream of a Britain with no NHS or welfare services.
TheRedSquirrel87Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK1,107 posts
TheRedSquirrel87: Idiots in Scotland voted to remain in the UK out of fear just as idiots with even less to lose voted to leave the UK through grass is always greener. The wiser ones voted to stay in the UK through prudence.
But yes the EU vote would likely go the same way. The vote to remain will win through a combination of the wise and the cowardly vote. The vote to leave is chiefly comprised of bottomfeeders(wonder why vote to leave is so popular here and elsewhere online?)with a minority of the super-rich who dream of a Britain with no NHS or welfare services.
Splitting the family this one is tho. My cousin(who is a smackhead)is voting leave and my uncle(who is a skinhead)is also voting to leave, my brother who is making an obscene amount of money and wouldn't piss on a man on fire is voting to leave, and pretty much all the better people in the family are voting to remain.
Had a look at the vote breakdown - it is interesting that women here are much more in favour of staying in the EU. More cowardly than men? Not willing to take risks?
I will not vote as not UK citizen, I do wish the out vote wins as that would accelerate the fall of the EU
Winthrop48: On 23rd June the voters on the electoral roll will decide whether or not the United Kingdom should remain in the EU. I lived in London 1978 - 2003 and saw very little benefit to belong]ing to the EU.
Who gets to count these votes; those who want to stay, or those who want to leave?
Winthrop48: On 23rd June the voters on the electoral roll will decide whether or not the United Kingdom should remain in the EU. I lived in London 1978 - 2003 and saw very little benefit to belong]ing to the EU.
To my mind there are three issues really - 1) the economic issue, will we be better off financially, 2) the security aspect, with hundreds of thousands of Muslims coming to Europe, some and probably although a small percentage, but because of the numbers involved there will be a lot of them who will be terrorists or potential terrorists, and 3) the loss of sovereignty to what we see as a wasteful and undemocratic authority in Brussels. I'm sorry to keep coming back to this, but it is of supreme importance to us. It is probably the biggest decision Britain has had to make since 1939. Peter
MintyFeetLongchamps, Buenos Aires Argentina131 posts
Oppman: To my mind there are three issues really - 1) the economic issue, will we be better off financially, 2) the security aspect, with hundreds of thousands of Muslims coming to Europe, some and probably although a small percentage, but because of the numbers involved there will be a lot of them who will be terrorists or potential terrorists, and 3) the loss of sovereignty to what we see as a wasteful and undemocratic authority in Brussels. I'm sorry to keep coming back to this, but it is of supreme importance to us. It is probably the biggest decision Britain has had to make since 1939. Peter
MintyFeetLongchamps, Buenos Aires Argentina131 posts
Oppman: To my mind there are three issues really - 1) the economic issue, will we be better off financially, 2) the security aspect, with hundreds of thousands of Muslims coming to Europe, some and probably although a small percentage, but because of the numbers involved there will be a lot of them who will be terrorists or potential terrorists, and 3) the loss of sovereignty to what we see as a wasteful and undemocratic authority in Brussels. I'm sorry to keep coming back to this, but it is of supreme importance to us. It is probably the biggest decision Britain has had to make since 1939. Peter
UK makes up about 5% of the EU's trade GDP. The EU makes up about half of UK's trade GDP.
EU bought £229 billion worth of goods and services from Britain in 2014. If the UK was outside the EU, some of that would be hit by trade tariffs. - average is 10 percent. this means that tariffs on UK exports to the EU would be about £23 billion. and dont forget that UK's competitive exports would sink by 5%, conservative calculation IMO. That would be €11 billion lost in exports.
build a wall, spend summer in the north sea (warmer temps), and stop complaining. easy, choose in - play by the rules. choose out, dont expect to "play golf" on a private and exclusive golf course.
GUZMAN1: Finally a painful divorce or a happy agreement?
Like most divorces, the actual couple could indeed have an amicable break and remain friends, but the lawyers always stick their noses into the trough to get rich by creating a bitter settlement, in which the ex husband and wife are both the losers and the lawyers walk away with a huge smile. In the case of Brexit, replace the lawyers with Brussels.
Bogart_1960:
UK makes up about 5% of the EU's trade GDP. The EU makes up about half of UK's trade GDP.
EU bought £229 billion worth of goods and services from Britain in 2014. If the UK was outside the EU, some of that would be hit by trade tariffs. - average is 10 percent. this means that tariffs on UK exports to the EU would be about £23 billion. and dont forget that UK's competitive exports would sink by 5%, conservative calculation IMO. That would be €11 billion lost in exports.
I think you may have forgotten that under the EU the UK can ONLY buy from Europe without being penalised, now we can sell/buy to/from the entire world and have a level playing field, so your figures are somewhat unreal!!
Besides, Germany sells more to the UK than they do to any other country, and no way will they risk losing that market. Adolf Merkle knows this and is just waving a sword to look tough.
Mar 31, 2017 9:27 AM CST Brexit - How will you vote in the referendum?
BritishLondonManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK323 Posts
BritishLondonManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK323 posts
BritishLondon: And you know there is nothing Europe won't do for you if you threaten her with enough violence. Islam taught me that.
We can avoid this fate by dealing with things sensibly. Europe must either kill us or make friends with us, to leave us injured would be the worst of all.
Mar 31, 2017 9:52 AM CST Brexit - How will you vote in the referendum?
BritishLondonManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK323 Posts
BritishLondonManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK323 posts
BritishLondon: We can avoid this fate by dealing with things sensibly. Europe must either kill us or make friends with us, to leave us injured would be the worst of all.
And if they want to keep the European project together they must do well in Europe and not aim to make Brexit do badly. The European Union depends upon yourselves now and tearing someone else down so you look less of a failure by comparison only makes you even more of a loser.
Theresa May has pressed the button and started the exit from Europe, we will not be in the single market, now there is really no way of going back.
LONDON — Prime Minister Theresa May has signed the Article 50 letter of notification that she will send to the European Union on Wednesday to formally get Brexit underway.
May was pictured in Downing Street on Tuesday evening adding her signature to the historic letter, which will formally notify the European Commission of Britain's departure from the EU.
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