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Feb 23, 2017 8:38 AM CSTShould Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
colin53
colin53colin53Tralee, Kerry Ireland1 Threads 1 Polls 19 Posts

Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.(Vote Below)

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Yes
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No
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Please answer with your head and not your heart
remember this little island could possibly face
real problems and we all know this when the
Brits are out of the EU. good luck irish
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Feb 23, 2017 9:10 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
I'm a yes for that
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Feb 25, 2017 11:43 AM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
The nice thing about an elected form of representation government, IE the Dáil is that if they don't understand what they are voting for, we can get rid of them. Where as when the public votes they can claim ignorance for their stupidity!

Wait and watch what goes down in the UK and US, based on their stupidity before you think of following suit! The US is UK are both dealing with these disastrous votes.
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Feb 26, 2017 6:57 AM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
colin53
colin53colin53Tralee, Kerry Ireland1 Threads 1 Polls 19 Posts
noosphere: The nice thing about an elected form of representation government, IE the Dáil is that if they don't understand what they are voting for, we can get rid of them. Where as when the public votes they can claim ignorance for their stupidity!

Wait and watch what goes down in the UK and US, based on their stupidity before you think of following suit! The US is UK are both dealing with these disastrous votes.


I totally agree with all you have said but it is a fact the UK are leaving the EU and stupidity gave the US
Trump,!
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Feb 26, 2017 11:10 AM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
goldengloss
goldenglossgoldenglossDublin South, Dublin Ireland5 Threads 654 Posts
I voted a big Yes for that . I hate to see Irelands Fishing go to hell, as well as not being allowed cut our own turf. Won't go on. Seeing Enda Kenny [albeit not for long] bow and scrape to the crouts. I believe we have a great Agricultural country here if we concentrate on Grass Beef and good quality, not factory, farming, indigenous products and we will always have connections with U.S with their companies coming in, not to mention our great record in the Equine world, some of the best horses in the world.


Plus Ireland [despite climate] is now a favourite spot to holiday, no fear of shootings or IS attacks.
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Feb 26, 2017 2:11 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim, Northern Ireland Ireland400 Threads 80 Polls 11,515 Posts
goldengloss: I


Plus Ireland [despite climate] is now a favourite spot to holiday, no fear of shootings or IS attacks.


Exactly how many people have been killed or injured...innocent people caught in the cross fire because of the drug war in Ireland over the past few yrs...?

Then go North (Ireland has 32 Counties)....Bomb attacks, shooting RUC...up and unders...knee cappings..

Ireland doesn't need ISIS...
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Feb 26, 2017 4:06 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
goldengloss: I voted a big Yes for that . I hate to see Irelands Fishing go to hell, as well as not being allowed cut our own turf.


Ireland has never really invested in its fisheries, whether in the EU or outside the EU.


goldengloss: Won't go on. Seeing Enda Kenny [albeit not for long] bow and scrape to the crouts. I believe we have a great Agricultural country here if we concentrate on Grass Beef and good quality, not factory, farming, indigenous products


This is a myth...the idea that agriculture is a big part of the Irish economy. It simply isn't.

goldengloss: we will always have connections with U.S with their companies coming in, not to mention our great record in the Equine world, some of the best horses in the world.


US companies are here for many reasons, one of the biggest is ease of access to EU markets. You leave the EU, they go...

goldengloss: Plus Ireland [despite climate] is now a favourite spot to holiday, no fear of shootings or IS attacks.


Tourism is even a smaller part of the Irish economy than Agriculture.
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Feb 27, 2017 7:51 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Tinypaws
TinypawsTinypawsunknown, Longford Ireland20 Threads 1 Polls 559 Posts
A difficult one for me personally. As a libertarian I reject centralisation and big government, which means I reject the EU, but at the same time I really do not like the idea that Ireland could end dependent on US and UK handouts. Ireland once upon a time had an amazing culture. The Normans came and turned more Irish than the Irish themselves, but later centuries saw a systematic destruction of that culture, and the Irish identity suffered greatly.

I therefore am inclined to say stay with the EU for the time being, while Ireland spends effort on recovering, because I think Ireland still suffers the aftermath of previous centuries. When people say 'we should follow the UK', this reminds me of a dog following on the heels of its master. I don't like that picture one bit. Ireland deserve better. The EU is certainly not an ideal solution, but it may will offer Ireland an opportunity to find back to its own self. This is an island nation, far away from the mainland. Make use of what the EU currently has to offer, while same time working towards an Ireland that can truly stand on its own feet. The UK is the UK, Ireland is Ireland. The people here are amazing, and can look back on its own unique history, and it is a rich history - forget the centuries of oppression - Ireland once offered a rich culture. Recover it. Recover the identity - and then break from the EU, truly free, not another nation's dog, as I think Ireland would end if it makes that step too soon.

My view, could be all wrong, but that's how I feel about it.
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Mar 1, 2017 12:07 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
colin53: Please answer with your head and not your heart
remember this little island could possibly face
real problems and we all know this when the
Brits are out of the EU.

The EU was a bad idea in the first place. Each country should be a country, with complete solventry. And not be a state. I think this is more important, now than ever.
professor
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Mar 1, 2017 4:43 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim, Northern Ireland Ireland400 Threads 80 Polls 11,515 Posts
CossackCat: The EU was a bad idea in the first place. Each country should be a country, with complete solventry. And not be a state. I think this is more important, now than ever.


Does that apply to Texas?
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Mar 1, 2017 5:46 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Phoenix: Does that apply to Texas?


Hiya P

How has your sightseeing of the 32 counties been going?
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Mar 2, 2017 8:08 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
colin53
colin53colin53Tralee, Kerry Ireland1 Threads 1 Polls 19 Posts
Phoenix: Exactly how many people have been killed or injured...innocent people caught in the cross fire because of the drug war in Ireland over the past few yrs...?

Then go North (Ireland has 32 Counties)....Bomb attacks, shooting RUC...up and unders...knee cappings..

Ireland doesn't need ISIS...


with respect to you sir, "The War Is Over" in the six counties and the real bad days of the troubles
are gone, I was at the coal face of them days late 70s 80s on border duty as a member of the
defence forces and was a really bad place and experiences, now these days it is a good place
driving south to the north, as for the shootings, they are criminals not isis.
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Mar 5, 2017 10:05 AM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
GalwayGuy35
GalwayGuy35GalwayGuy35galway, Galway Ireland30 Threads 2,326 Posts
No don't thinks we should leave but the EU needs reform.

But as long as that gobshite Kenny leads this country we have noone to speak up for us.
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Mar 6, 2017 7:45 AM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
thelad2007
thelad2007thelad2007Waterford, Ireland903 Posts
damned if we do, damned if we dont. if the eu isnt reformed and very soon, its done, sadly it looks like we ll have to endure a few more serious economic/financial crisis before the reform button is pressed, probably be too late by then
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Mar 11, 2017 4:43 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Kattte
KattteKattteVancouver, British Columbia Canada4 Threads 1,333 Posts
Tinypaws: A difficult one for me personally. As a libertarian I reject centralisation and big government, which means I reject the EU, but at the same time I really do not like the idea that Ireland could end dependent on US and UK handouts. Ireland once upon a time had an amazing culture. The Normans came and turned more Irish than the Irish themselves, but later centuries saw a systematic destruction of that culture, and the Irish identity suffered greatly.

I therefore am inclined to say stay with the EU for the time being, while Ireland spends effort on recovering, because I think Ireland still suffers the aftermath of previous centuries. When people say 'we should follow the UK', this reminds me of a dog following on the heels of its master. I don't like that picture one bit. Ireland deserve better. The EU is certainly not an ideal solution, but it may will offer Ireland an opportunity to find back to its own self. This is an island nation, far away from the mainland. Make use of what the EU currently has to offer, while same time working towards an Ireland that can truly stand on its own feet. The UK is the UK, Ireland is Ireland. The people here are amazing, and can look back on its own unique history, and it is a rich history - forget the centuries of oppression - Ireland once offered a rich culture. Recover it. Recover the identity - and then break from the EU, truly free, not another nation's dog, as I think Ireland would end if it makes that step too soon.

My view, could be all wrong, but that's how I feel about it.



" Recover the identity - and then break from the EU, truly free, not another nation's dog, as I think Ireland would end if it makes that step too soon." Fantastic!thumbs up
Woman with an acute sense of history and love for Ireland...applause cheering


K-Pax ??? rolling on the floor laughing Love that movie! Let's go live there!laugh
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Mar 11, 2017 5:06 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Kattte
KattteKattteVancouver, British Columbia Canada4 Threads 1,333 Posts
CossackCat: The EU was a bad idea in the first place. Each country should be a country, with complete solventry. And not be a state. I think this is more important, now than ever.


We've had the occasional bright idea for a united but sovereign European State integration during the centuries but sadly, family relations and egos stopped it numerous times and even some Emperors gave up on trying. I would prefer to keep trying and hoping that all our peoples can one day be united so as to benefit us all or at the very least, the vast majority of our various peoples; all individual countries must have sovereignty without question or threat by any groups, we need our trading opportunities to be open to benefit as many as possible which should be rather simple and mutual defence from outside Europe . Open trade and sovereignty should have never been allowed to come under the control of any bureaucracy. That is why we have heads of states; our so called leaders and they have their obligations to have good ministers to see to open trading with each other is paramount.
Even de Gaule had some good ideas as to manage this and real concerns over a ruling bureaucracy that functions virtually independent of our governments. Dismantle the EU as it now stands , illuminate the controls over common sense and be done with politicians . Europe, not political parties should be paramount.
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Mar 12, 2017 7:55 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
pretty level :p
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Mar 13, 2017 12:19 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Kattte: We've had the occasional bright idea for a united but sovereign European State integration during the centuries but sadly, family relations and egos stopped it numerous times and even some Emperors gave up on trying. I would prefer to keep trying and hoping that all our peoples can one day be united so as to benefit us all or at the very least, the vast majority of our various peoples; all individual countries must have sovereignty without question or threat by any groups, we need our trading opportunities to be open to benefit as many as possible which should be rather simple and mutual defence from outside Europe . Open trade and sovereignty should have never been allowed to come under the control of any bureaucracy. That is why we have heads of states; our so called leaders and they have their obligations to have good ministers to see to open trading with each other is paramount.
Even de Gaule had some good ideas as to manage this and real concerns over a ruling bureaucracy that functions virtually independent of our governments. Dismantle the EU as it now stands , illuminate the controls over common sense and be done with politicians . Europe, not political parties should be paramount.


Katte, there are too many politicians in Europe living the high life to ever allow it to change
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Mar 14, 2017 4:01 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Tinypaws
TinypawsTinypawsunknown, Longford Ireland20 Threads 1 Polls 559 Posts
Kattte: Dismantle the EU as it now stands , illuminate the controls over common sense and be done with politicians . Europe, not political parties should be paramount.

Even going further, the world, with humans realizing shared humanity, not power games of politicians and corporate capitalism, should rule. Utopia though, just as K-Pax crying but we must not give up hope either! head banger

Wonder what will happen with Scotland. Worry with many smaller nations is that wars among neighbours can break out, which a big union like the EU could be a tool against, but then there is the risk of Super States eventually waltzing over small bordering nations, or conflicts breaking out between Super States. There just does not seem to be a recipe against disaster yet, which is frightenly sad blues blues blues
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Mar 15, 2017 10:48 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Kattte
KattteKattteVancouver, British Columbia Canada4 Threads 1,333 Posts
Tinypaws: Even going further, the world, with humans realizing shared humanity, not power games of politicians and corporate capitalism, should rule. Utopia though, just as K-Pax but we must not give up hope either!

Wonder what will happen with Scotland. Worry with many smaller nations is that wars among neighbours can break out, which a big union like the EU could be a tool against, but then there is the risk of Super States eventually waltzing over small bordering nations, or conflicts breaking out between Super States. There just does not seem to be a recipe against disaster yet, which is frightenly sad



Well, for what it's worth take some solace in that this ha hampered and in cases destroyed some branches of nearly all Royal families when one branch for their own selfish/ egotistical reasons put roadblocks in the path of a fully integrated Europe. Human nature will be as it is. Some of the Chancellors and various Ministers have submitted reasonable designs in the past and perhaps should be looked at again and subvert those who seek to gain from chaos in a united Europe based upon equity through both trade and monetary policy. What we collectively put into a common market, we should equally benefit which is still the age old adage of doing and serving the most to benefit the most with an equitable means of settling any shortfalls. Many good policies were drawn up from the founding of the old Common Market that were never implemented; even some as far back as Otto von Bismark. They all need a fresh revisit.
Scotland has a gambol to decide on; exit from ties to England before or after England actually does exit from the EU...Which will be easier or harder to accomplish but it must stand alone as a separate Nation regardless, as must Ireland and Wales. There can be unity in diversity. Patience and due diligence to solving problems should be paramount in adjusting to being Free from English rule and re asserting one's own national/ tribal heritages.

Back to K-Pax...I liked the film so much, I went out and got the 3 books he wrote on it. Nice; some portions really make you think. They are all thoroughly enjoyable....look up the titles by Gene Brewer and then hunt them down! Pros Lives in all of us...somewhere....laugh
Having read them all, I'm still disappointed that there was no sequel/ prequel
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Mar 16, 2017 7:23 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1BARCELONA, Cataluna Spain83 Threads 57 Polls 7,076 Posts
It's not my decision, only from the irish.

But lately one hears a lot of proposals for EU-exit as if was a solution, the same that before were proposals for more EU integration.

I don't know if it's a long-term benefit.
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Mar 16, 2017 11:09 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Kattte
KattteKattteVancouver, British Columbia Canada4 Threads 1,333 Posts
GUZMAN1: It's not my decision, only from the irish.

But lately one hears a lot of proposals for EU-exit as if was a solution, the same that before were proposals for more EU integration.

I don't know if it's a long-term benefit.


Good point; many whined, bitched and complained before they finally joined and now most of the same ones complain that they may leave; the old rats leaving the sinking ship...laugh It really is too overblown with bureaucracy to be effective and bring prosperity; it is now effective only in furthering division and distrust. Time to bury it and then a sobering view on how to achieve a still "lofty goal"...wine
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Mar 25, 2017 7:18 AM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim, Northern Ireland Ireland400 Threads 80 Polls 11,515 Posts
mollybaby: Hiya P

How has your sightseeing of the 32 counties been going?


Slowly. I am waiting for Malaga to get back from Paris ( I was there until yesterday for a week or so). When he hits Dublin, I am headung there for a long weekend.

We talked about your place (going Norrie in Cork), He doesn't know your neck of the woods and has good and bad stories told about it. He said, yrs ago his sister it was a great place, today the jury is out..

Basically we need a heads up. Could Cork handle a Belfast head and a Dublin head who are there for an Oliver Reed-Richard Harris type tear up?
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Mar 25, 2017 7:18 AM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixBelfast....., Antrim, Northern Ireland Ireland400 Threads 80 Polls 11,515 Posts
mollybaby: Hiya P

How has your sightseeing of the 32 counties been going?


Slowly. I am waiting for Malaga to get back from Paris ( I was there until yesterday for a week or so). When he hits Dublin, I am headung there for a long weekend.

We talked about your place (going Norrie in Cork), He doesn't know your neck of the woods and has good and bad stories told about it. He said, yrs ago his sister it was a great place, today the jury is out..

Basically we need a heads up. Could Cork handle a Belfast head and a Dublin head who are there for an Oliver Reed-Richard Harris type tear up?
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Mar 27, 2017 5:29 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Phoenix: Slowly. I am waiting for Malaga to get back from Paris ( I was there until yesterday for a week or so). When he hits Dublin, I am headung there for a long weekend.

We talked about your place (going Norrie in Cork), He doesn't know your neck of the woods and has good and bad stories told about it. He said, yrs ago his sister it was a great place, today the jury is out..

Basically we need a heads up. Could Cork handle a Belfast head and a Dublin head who are there for an Oliver Reed-Richard Harris type tear up?



Hmmm, well Oliver Reed lived in Cork and Harris was from nearby Limerick, so I think there is a history of heavy drinking which we survived.
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Apr 1, 2017 5:52 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
holyjoe
holyjoeholyjoedublin, Dublin Ireland4 Threads 83 Posts
We should have a vote on it. I would probably vote to stay, I think the UK will reject Brexit within the next 3 or 4 years.
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Apr 4, 2017 11:22 AM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
EggSalad
EggSaladEggSaladMálaga, Andalucia Spain6 Threads 245 Posts
Following them is creepy, you should ask politely if you may join them on their journeyprofessor professor professor
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Apr 13, 2017 6:58 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
GalaxyLux
GalaxyLuxGalaxyLuxBanfield, Buenos Aires Argentina5 Threads 3 Polls 119 Posts
holyjoe: We should have a vote on it. I would probably vote to stay, I think the UK will reject Brexit within the next 3 or 4 years.


The UE is doing everything in their power to ensure the UK fails at leaving. They want them to come crawling back to mommy Merkel, they want them to fail so others won't follow them.
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Apr 23, 2017 1:02 PM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
Yes we should leave the EU, It is beyond reform.
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Jul 4, 2017 3:01 AM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
CossackCat: The EU was a bad idea in the first place. Each country should be a country, with complete solventry. And not be a state. I think this is more important, now than ever.
I agree 100% , i also vote a big yes..
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Jul 5, 2017 10:52 AM CST Should Ireland follow the UK and leave the EU.
holyjoe
holyjoeholyjoedublin, Dublin Ireland4 Threads 83 Posts
we should wait and see what kind of deal the UK gets.
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