Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing? ( Archived) (54)

Aug 20, 2017 8:43 AM CSTIs removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio, USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts

Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?(Vote Below)

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Good thing, he's fake news, and possibly started the transatlantic slave trade.
16%
8 Votes
Bad thing, it's a bad thing, although he never set foot on the North American Continent.
63%
31 Votes
Just send all his statues to Spain.
20%
10 Votes
49 Total Votes
A little more about Mr. Christopher Columbus....

On his second voyage in 1493, he was equipped with seventeen heavily armed ships (and attack dogs) and 1,200 to 1,500 men. After arriving back on the island of Hispaniola , the subjugation and extermination of the Arawak people began with a vengeance.

Under Columbus's leadership, the Arawaks were forced under the encomienda system (a system of forced labor that sidestepped the word "slavery") to mine for gold and produce cotton. When gold was not found, the irate Columbus oversaw the hunting of Indians for sport and dog food. Women and girls as young as nine or 10 were used as sex slaves for the Spanish. So many Indians died under the encomienda slave system that Indians from neighboring Caribbean islands were imported, and eventually from Africa. After Columbus's first kidnapping of Indians, he is believed to have sent as many as 5,000 Indian slaves across the Atlantic, more than any other individual.

Estimates for the pre-Columbus population of Hispaniola range between 1.1 million and 8 million Arawaks. By 1542 Las Casas recorded fewer than 200, and by 1555 they were all gone. Hence, the uncensored legacy of Columbus is not only the beginning of the transatlantic slave trade, but the first recorded instance of full scale genocide of an indigenous people.

Columbus never set foot on the North American continent.
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Aug 20, 2017 8:47 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
A good thing,
Those pantaloons so don't go with his tights scold
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Aug 20, 2017 8:51 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
It's an attempt to strip America of it's heritage and history in order to make it possible to replace it's form of government with a very old New World order..
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Aug 20, 2017 11:14 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
He was italian, for sure.


laugh
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Aug 20, 2017 11:23 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
GUZMAN1: He was italian, for sure.
sailing for Isabella I Queen of Castile!laugh
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Aug 20, 2017 12:40 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Conrad73: sailing for Isabella I Queen of Castile!


Well, she won the final battle against the muslims in Spain, she expelled them along with the Jews, and also what you say.

What a woman!

uh oh
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Aug 20, 2017 1:41 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
don't know much about all those Indians dying but you're jumping the gun tearing down Columbus's statue . They have to lose a close election to George Custer the xviii first .
PS . you might want to carve a likeness of Obama into mount Rushmore or the Taliban antifa might blow up the current sculptures .
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Aug 20, 2017 2:26 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
Summed up nice Jac wink
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Aug 20, 2017 2:46 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
A bit lengthy, ne?

And posted twice.

I'm grappling with this one Non, okay? laugh
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Aug 20, 2017 3:59 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Great narative. I need to let my little league brain soak that narrative in a bit...


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Aug 20, 2017 11:39 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
You all make good points, gentlemen.

grin
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Aug 21, 2017 1:35 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
Mapmaker
MapmakerMapmakerInland near Jaen, Andalusia Spain1 Threads 86 Posts
You shouldnt erase history, most history is made up anyway, Think how your history will look in the future.
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Aug 21, 2017 1:59 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Keep referring to them as Indians that's the most respectful term. A reminder that white people were stupid enough to believe they'd landed in India.

Instead of statues why not focus issues today which matter. The Republic of Congo one of the richest nations in the world in raw materials but the place is a mess, central government doesn't work everything is run by tribal warlords in bed with big business. It's not only a catastrophe in the world today it is a picture of the future under Trump.
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Aug 21, 2017 2:20 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
ChesneyChrist: Keep referring to them as Indians that's the most respectful term. A reminder that white people were stupid enough to believe they'd landed in India.

Instead of statues why not focus issues today which matter. The Republic of Congo one of the richest nations in the world in raw materials but the place is a mess, central government doesn't work everything is run by tribal warlords in bed with big business. It's not only a catastrophe in the world today it is a picture of the future under Trump.
why should the world and any one worry about the Congo , the kicked out the whites and now can go hang .
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Aug 21, 2017 3:00 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
Mapmaker
MapmakerMapmakerInland near Jaen, Andalusia Spain1 Threads 86 Posts
I say made up, but in reality some countries never teach any world history, Its obvious that some make up a more glorified version of their history, omitting bad stuff, over glorifying good stuff.

People should know and be taught all sides of history and in my opinion why destroy statues, why re write history, learn from it, should we pull down Nelson's column if it upsets a young french person?...
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Aug 21, 2017 3:43 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
Mapmaker
MapmakerMapmakerInland near Jaen, Andalusia Spain1 Threads 86 Posts
Well said Ms Gripper....well said.

It wont be long before someone is offended by Non Coloured Disney Characters and they all get removed to satisfy someone who feels entitlement and lives in a safe space.
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Aug 21, 2017 3:52 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
only a Matter of time!
They are already after poor Ronald!

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uh oh wow
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Aug 21, 2017 3:52 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
My granddaughter has a Disney Princess book.

There is one brown skinned Disney Princess on the front cover, tucked away in the corner of the group.

I don't think you have to worry about a take-over just yet, although of course, it is a slippery slope.
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Aug 21, 2017 11:52 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
Statues of Columbus are revisionist history.

Most people know he didn't discover America; and the people who think he did are ignoranat, and illiterate.

The history we learn in schools is just a lie.
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Aug 21, 2017 11:54 AM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
Columbus was lost, when the native Americans discovered him.
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Aug 21, 2017 12:14 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
Good books and videos on the subject are "The First Americans Were Black Africans From Austraila," "Soultreans Were The First Americans," "They Came Before Columbus," The Voyage Of The Brendan," a study of Leif Ericson, and China will show that they were in America before Columbusl too.

Here's a nice link I found earlier this month on the subject.

~mkfenn/GeneticsrewritesPacificprehistory.htm
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Aug 21, 2017 1:03 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
mykingdomforanam: Columbus was lost, when the native Americans discovered him.


laugh laugh
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Aug 21, 2017 1:30 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
According to "Native American" legends from the Paiutes in the west, to Mississipi River valley, and the Atlantic coast, there were red haired giants inhabiting America when they crossed the Siberian land-bridge 26,000 years ago.

The Paiutes killed them, and called them cannibals; but their name meant, "Tule eaters." A Paiute woman has a dress that she inherited, ornamented with red hair, which she claimed came from them.

The red haired giants were in New Zealand when Polynesians arrived there too!

You can find an interesting video about the red headed people in New Zealand titled, "The Red Heads Of New Zealand."
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Aug 21, 2017 1:36 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
sergio09
sergio09sergio09Knoxville, Tennessee USA31 Threads 901 Posts
Actually, there were many instances of genocide in the O.T. our "loving" GOD, had anger issues and His followers were frequently told to wipe out entire cities and peoples. Frequently were told to leave none alive! Great God we have!! LOL
blues
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Aug 21, 2017 1:40 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
sergio09
sergio09sergio09Knoxville, Tennessee USA31 Threads 901 Posts
I am really surprised that the "Christian" right has not responded to this thread! The Bible states that we are to have NO GRAVEN IMAGES. Therefore ALL statues should be torn down! Even religious statues. At least that is the way I see "born again Christians" should stand on the issue!

professor professor
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Aug 21, 2017 2:32 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Noah's Ark.

Wopping great genocide.

Just sayin'.

(which kinda brings us back round to writing his-story - was man made in God's image, or God made in man's image?)
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Aug 21, 2017 4:47 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
jac_the_gripper: Noah's Ark.

Wopping great genocide.

Just sayin'.

(which kinda brings us back round to writing his-story - was man made in God's image, or God made in man's image?)



Are you saying you think the great flood was created by man?
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Aug 21, 2017 4:51 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
sergio09
sergio09sergio09Knoxville, Tennessee USA31 Threads 901 Posts
I think she is saying God was a great genocide enthusiast.laugh
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Aug 21, 2017 5:14 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
I don't accept your attempt at speaking for Jac.

I'm asking her about this statement...


"(which kinda brings us back round to writing his-story - was man made in God's image, or God made in man's image?)"
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Aug 21, 2017 5:25 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
mykingdomforanam: I don't accept your attempt at speaking for Jac.

I'm asking her about this statement...


"(which kinda brings us back round to writing his-story - was man made in God's image, or God made in man's image?)"


How does jacs question infer that the flood was man made dunno

I think it points to the premise that God is man made thumbs up
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Aug 21, 2017 5:30 PM CST Is removing Christopher Columbus statues a good thing or bad thing?
loulou77
loulou77loulou77Vancouver, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 1,555 Posts
nonsmoker: How does jacs question infer that the flood was man made

I think it points to the premise that God is man made


Non

I think you are correct...God is man made...and the rituals they adhere to...I rather believe in mother nature...wine
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