Same Sex Marriage

For
41
55%
Against
34
45%
Total Votes
75
We have a plebiscite going on here in regard to this matter conversing


Feel free to express your thoughts wine

Comments (37)

Track16
It worked great for my sister and her wife.

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One2note
On the one hand, our government want to encourage traditional family values & on the other, they legalise gay marriage !
Can you see the hypocrisy ?

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MikeD12

For once even I agree with that

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ChesneyChrist


They want gays to play happy families and join the rest of us in the more law-abiding and materially resourceful life of indentured servitude(marriage). Traditional is a word they stick on to make something sound more idyllic than it is what they want is gays on the rails.

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MikeD12


What is even worse is that in the last few years threats of arrest & prosecution are made by over-zealous young plain clothes Filth if we voice any opposition in public.

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jac_the_gripper
I have the choice to marry or not marry anyone of any gender.

Anyone else's opinion is immaterial. tongue

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Track16
Freedom is a great thing, isn't it.

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Dedovix
express my thoughts about the ongoing plebiscite ? or same sex marriage ?

You know they give us a illusion that we have a choice and that we have the power to make a decision -

Same sex marriage?, Im against it

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jac_the_gripper
Yes, Track.

What little of it we have is precious.

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Track16
Freedom is an illusion, all societies are brainwashed in some form or another.

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Track16
As you said, what we do got, its great.

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jac_the_gripper
And if some doesn't agree with same sex marriage, they may choose not to marry someone of the same sex. grin

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Track16
pat8lanips
The postal vote will be an epic fail. The most fundamental flaw in this process is that a plebiscite requires equal funding and air time for the yes case and the no case. Thus, even if its a resounding yes, it will most likely be thrown out.

People should have all the same equal rights, things like super/wills/real estate etc., but it should not be called marriage because its just a boring fact that marriage is husband and wife. As gay folks have most of these rights already, and things like lesbians getting IVF etc., or a couple of gay men adopting a little boy, they already have these rights.

They just want it called marriage to irritate the church and more conservative people. Civic union with all the exact same rights and obligations is sufficient.

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jac_the_gripper
No, civic union isn't sufficient because it's discriminatory not to afford all people in a society the same legal rights.

Over here, people can get married without stepping inside a church as marriage is a legal contract and the religious bit is optional.

It should be optional for all and I look forward to religion developing.

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jac_the_gripper
No, civic union isn't sufficient because it's discriminatory not to afford all people in a society the same legal rights.

Over here, people can get married without stepping inside a church as marriage is a legal contract and the religious bit is optional.

It should be optional for all and I look forward to religion developing.

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pat8lanips
They've already got pretty much the same legal rights here, and as a society we are not really bothered who is with who. Its a lot of fuss about the word marriage, I suspect its a political beat up to divert attention away from more significant issues.

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jac_the_gripper
Pretty much the same legal rights is not acceptable.

It's sufficient for all people to have the same legal rights.

That's the issue.

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pat8lanips
The Welsh lady seems to know heaps about Australian law... I'm wondering, what legal rights/obligations do married couples (or defacto hetero couples for that matter) have here, that a gay couple cohabiting here does not already have?

I think you've completely misinterpreted my point, that they've got much more legal rights already than folks might think. Over time, more rights are given (like I said, IVF and adoption etc.) and so the only sticking point is the word marriage... If I have a dog, but I really want a zebra, I can paint stripes on it and feed it grass etc., but it will never be a zebra.

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jac_the_gripper
If you have a plebiscite regarding affording the legal right to marriage for all citizens, I don't need to know anything else about Australian law: I may surmise that the citizens of Australia are not afforded equal legal status.

That is not sufficient.

It's no more acceptable than Nazi Germany not affording all its citizens equal legal rights and status.

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pat8lanips
What absolute rubbish. Grasping at straws, as you realise I am correct. Let me know if you can find any legal rights they dont already have, apart from using the term "marriage" to describe a gay couple.

We are not perfect as a society, but we do move with the times. I doubt the postal vote will succeed, I cynically believe its designed that way by our conservative Government. But I'm sure you know a lot more about it all than little old me.

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Len05
I really believe the government shouldn't promote lifelong contracts.

(off any sex and off any age)

Considering that most marriages end up in divorce, i believe if you want to do something it would be downsizing the results of being married.
Majority of married couples choose that marriage is only for about 3 - 5 years.

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Kattte



and as research and development continues on the third choice...the so called sexbots/ dolls to replace women both for enjoyment and in the end, marriage, it does indeed seem that females, especially in the more developed countries are liberating themselves to rejects for marriage by many males...In the last 15 years this 'trend' is growing; not something that women expected at all. Perhaps it is with the rise of "populism" that the so called male "neanderthals"are also on the rise that distain any female equalities at all with the rising calls for females to 'get back into their kitchens get their shoes off and get pregnant; the new(again) war cry of the ultra conservatives that only have use for women who are barefoot, in the kitchen and that can get pregnant be give thanks unto that ol' testament psych-god; a new version of "let's make women great again!" barf

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loulou77
Interesting...as the Handmaid'sTale series depicts such ultra religious conservatism...the novel by the same name by author Margret Atwood was written in the 80's...women were stripped of their rights...the few women that were fertile...ended up sex slaves for the good of their country...wow

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KNenagh
The importance or meaning of marriage is probably different for most people.

It would have only been important to me if kids would have been involved to make sure that the full legal protection for them (and both parents) would have been implemented. At this stage in my life in a country where a pre-nup isn't legally binding - hell no. smile

If it is important for 2 people to have the legal protection, status etc. that comes with signing a marriage contract, I simply wish them good luck.

On the "protecting the family unit" - someone homosexual isn't very likely to start a family unit with someone of the opposite gender, so this is not an argument for me. If children would come out of one of these partnerships, legal rights as financial support and visitation rights will have legal guidelines which I would find beneficial. handshake

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Bnaughty
Homos and lezzers have the same right to be miserable as straight people too!

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marlindap
I agree wiccan handfasting is so much more appealing than marriage.

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Bogart_1960
be happy. life is life, "marriage" is a contract.


No way to "judge" feelings between people.

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jac_the_gripper
A public vote on this issue is an act of discrimination in itself.

It should be a given that all members of a society have the same legal rights.

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Lookin4missright
What about genuine priests etc.. that have given up their lives and the many good things that they have done for peeps etc.. Do we expect them to change what they have grown with and their beliefs, to marry men & men, women & women?

Just sayin confused

My vote is still sitting on my kitchen bench doh

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