epirb: Yes but thats a bad comparison , you are safer in Afghanistan than Chicago , 13 per 100000 compared to 6 per hundred thousand . Chicago has lost the US mantel anyhow
If Chicago had the strict gun laws the NY does maybe it would have the success that NYC does.
I voted "No", because I DON'T believe that "laws" are going to make us better people! If ANYTHING is going to make us better people, it's going to be better education! And I DON'T mean the education we get in our schools! I mean the INCULTURATION we receive from our parents, our culture/society, our "leaders" (from ALL arenas of human activity). We have to change the way we "VIEW" life, ourselves, and our place in it!
But, IF I could make a law, regarding gun "control", it would be to make gun ownership MANDATORY, with gun use, maintenance, and marksmanship training MANDATORY in the early stages of schooling. If every kid in that school had had their pistol with them, I can GUARANTEE you that THAT many kids WOULDN'T have died!
And I've read a couple of posts here about the "failure" of our policing agencies. What makes you think there were failures? Have you considered the option that, just like 9/11, there was government collusion in the attack? WHY would the government collude in such an act? Just like 9/11, to generate the right frame of mind in people, to allow them to pass legislation that will farther curtail human freedom! In 9/11, it was the "Patriot Act", which would NEVER have been enactable, without the hysteria of 9/11! I don't know what the NEW regulation will be, but you can bet that SOMETHING is going to be put forth as a methodology that will protect us! But there's only ONE problem with that idea. YOU CAN"T PROTECT A PERSON FROM THEMSELF! UNTIL we "learn" that WE are our only protection, that WE re responsible for loving/caring for OURSELVES (as well as each other), then we're going to continue having to deal with these problems, and we're going to continue to be divided, and thus "RULE"able! Maybe my "Hippie"ness is showing, but the answer is to teach ourselves and our children that by loving each other, we'll accomplish MUCH MORE, to the benefit of us all, than by allowing ourselves to continue being "divided", and thus "conquerable". Just MY opinion.
How willing do you think a criminal would be, to do a criminal act, if they knew that ANYBODY, and/or EVERYBODY, had the ability to kill or wound them, in the act! I think that a LOT LESS crime would occur, in our lives/cities/cultures.
And NOT ONLY would there be LESS "crime", but we would be MUCH MORE "immune" to "rule/control" by people OTHER THAN ourselves!
Let_Us: I voted "No", because I DON'T believe that "laws" are going to make us better people! If ANYTHING is going to make us better people, it's going to be better education! And I DON'T mean the education we get in our schools! I mean the INCULTURATION we receive from our parents, our culture/society, our "leaders" (from ALL arenas of human activity). We have to change the way we "VIEW" life, ourselves, and our place in it!
But, IF I could make a law, regarding gun "control", it would be to make gun ownership MANDATORY, with gun use, maintenance, and marksmanship training MANDATORY in the early stages of schooling. If every kid in that school had had their pistol with them, I can GUARANTEE you that THAT many kids WOULDN'T have died!
And I've read a couple of posts here about the "failure" of our policing agencies. What makes you think there were failures? Have you considered the option that, just like 9/11, there was government collusion in the attack? WHY would the government collude in such an act? Just like 9/11, to generate the right frame of mind in people, to allow them to pass legislation that will farther curtail human freedom! In 9/11, it was the "Patriot Act", which would NEVER have been enactable, without the hysteria of 9/11! I don't know what the NEW regulation will be, but you can bet that SOMETHING is going to be put forth as a methodology that will protect us! But there's only ONE problem with that idea. YOU CAN"T PROTECT A PERSON FROM THEMSELF! UNTIL we "learn" that WE are our only protection, that WE re responsible for loving/caring for OURSELVES (as well as each other), then we're going to continue having to deal with these problems, and we're going to continue to be divided, and thus "RULE"able! Maybe my "Hippie"ness is showing, but the answer is to teach ourselves and our children that by loving each other, we'll accomplish MUCH MORE, to the benefit of us all, than by allowing ourselves to continue being "divided", and thus "conquerable". Just MY opinion.
Lindsy, you're agreeing with a guy that thinks all kids should be going to school armed with a pistol. Discipline in schools is already at an all time low, do you have any idea what it must be like to be a teacher trying to assert your authority over a room full of kids each of which has a gun tucked away in their lunch box? How much confidence do you think it's possible to project in such a situation?
21 ? ... Yeah, I remeber the day when we could fight and die in Vietnam but we couldn’t vote because we weren’t 21. That changed so,Stimson in the early 70s though.
There's a little more of a willingness these days to see it mentioned ... the common denominator is that of mental health and, more specifically, the effect and side effects of pyschotropic meds.
There's zero indication that any 'mentally well' people are killing anyone - removing guns from the general (sane) population cannot possibly solve anything and the US Govt are not (yet) in a state of preparedness to putdown an uprising ...
HexagonKeySet: No, gun control will NOT solve the problem.
There's a little more of a willingness these days to see it mentioned ... the common denominator is that of mental health and, more specifically, the effect and side effects of pyschotropic meds.
There's zero indication that any 'mentally well' people are killing anyone - removing guns from the general (sane) population cannot possibly solve anything and the US Govt are not (yet) in a state of preparedness to putdown an uprising ...
Bearwoman: lindsyjones Two of my older brothers were 18 when he enlisted in the army. Changing the age to 21 is nothing.
What I was thinking was that, if the killer is 19 and got the ammo when he was 18, that at least they are more responsible in handling the use of the gun. Then I thought of it and if this is a case of mental illness then raising the age or not is not the solution either.
galrads: 21 ? ... Yeah, I remeber the day when we could fight and die in Vietnam but we couldn’t vote because we weren’t 21. That changed so,Stimson in the early 70s though.
My what a sad story Galrads. Voting is so much of an easier decision than to kill or be killed for what again? Freedom?
Anyways, I would rather that the age to own is raised coming from a democrat than to cut constitutional right.
reb56: if the FBI did their job n too many laws on guns/22,000,hm.
Good morning Reb.
Yes if only the authorities were there as needed, perhaps this could have been prevented. That is why I favor arming the teachers and increase the prevention of such a callous act.
Yes if only the authorities were there as needed, perhaps this could have been prevented. That is why I favor arming the teachers and increase the prevention of such a callous act.
GM,i agree,FBI whines we need the ATF to help us,get off dump trump FBI n do ur jobs,time fire inept FED workers!we would be fired for much less.
lindsyjones: Harbal, geesh, I wouldn't ever ever give real guns to kids. That is why I favor Feinstein's proposal of making 21 as the legal age to own one.
I do favor the teachers (already the law in Colorado) to be armed and trained.
Why not spend money on mental health care and help at risk kids deal with their unsociable behaviour before they get out of control?...perhaps shunning those kids in school inspires them to rampage...just a thought...bullying by others also fuels their revenge fantasies...
loulou77: Why not spend money on mental health care and help at risk kids deal with their unsociable behaviour before they get out of control?...perhaps shunning those kids in school inspires them to rampage...just a thought...bullying by others also fuels their revenge fantasies...
Lou, thanks for joining in. I already posted that as one of the better solutions. I even scolded Reagan for closing them facilities which I never understood.
I do want to have them mental wards be a part of our medical benefit again.
It is a sad move that Reagan did that and his only justification that I was aware of were the abuses they received.
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No, just a gifted amateur.