Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies? (603)

Feb 17, 2018 12:11 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Harbal
HarbalHarbalSouth Yorkshire, England UK49 Threads 3 Polls 2,248 Posts
Miwagi: Are you psychiatrist by trade?

No, just a gifted amateur.
Feb 17, 2018 12:21 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
galrads: Do you see POTUS Trump signing any new gun control bills?


Never galrads.
Feb 17, 2018 12:26 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
Harbal: No, just a gifted amateur.
Well I've never been know to look a gift horse in the mouth.professor It must be true.crying
Feb 17, 2018 12:41 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Tanqueray
TanquerayTanquerayLondon, Greater London, England UK185 Posts
It’s a complex one because whenever it involves minors committing atrocities (such as the recent one), nothing seems to make sense.

It’s painful knowing a loved one, friend or colleague has died no matter the method or weapon used by the perpetrator. Only memories survive.
Feb 17, 2018 12:46 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
KarloradoFL
KarloradoFLKarloradoFLDeLeon Springs, Florida USA50 Threads 3 Polls 9,475 Posts
epirb: Yes but thats a bad comparison , you are safer in Afghanistan than Chicago , 13 per 100000 compared to 6 per hundred thousand . Chicago has lost the US mantel anyhow

If Chicago had the strict gun laws the NY does maybe it would have the success that NYC does.
Feb 17, 2018 1:23 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Let_Us
Let_UsLet_UsAnaheim, California USA9 Threads 1,017 Posts
I voted "No", because I DON'T believe that "laws" are going to make us better people! If ANYTHING is going to make us better people, it's going to be better education! And I DON'T mean the education we get in our schools! I mean the INCULTURATION we receive from our parents, our culture/society, our "leaders" (from ALL arenas of human activity). We have to change the way we "VIEW" life, ourselves, and our place in it!

But, IF I could make a law, regarding gun "control", it would be to make gun ownership MANDATORY, with gun use, maintenance, and marksmanship training MANDATORY in the early stages of schooling. If every kid in that school had had their pistol with them, I can GUARANTEE you that THAT many kids WOULDN'T have died!

And I've read a couple of posts here about the "failure" of our policing agencies. What makes you think there were failures? Have you considered the option that, just like 9/11, there was government collusion in the attack? WHY would the government collude in such an act? Just like 9/11, to generate the right frame of mind in people, to allow them to pass legislation that will farther curtail human freedom! In 9/11, it was the "Patriot Act", which would NEVER have been enactable, without the hysteria of 9/11! I don't know what the NEW regulation will be, but you can bet that SOMETHING is going to be put forth as a methodology that will protect us! But there's only ONE problem with that idea. YOU CAN"T PROTECT A PERSON FROM THEMSELF! UNTIL we "learn" that WE are our only protection, that WE re responsible for loving/caring for OURSELVES (as well as each other), then we're going to continue having to deal with these problems, and we're going to continue to be divided, and thus "RULE"able! Maybe my "Hippie"ness is showing, but the answer is to teach ourselves and our children that by loving each other, we'll accomplish MUCH MORE, to the benefit of us all, than by allowing ourselves to continue being "divided", and thus "conquerable". professor Just MY opinion. handshake hug teddybear
Feb 17, 2018 1:33 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Let_Us
Let_UsLet_UsAnaheim, California USA9 Threads 1,017 Posts
How willing do you think a criminal would be, to do a criminal act, if they knew that ANYBODY, and/or EVERYBODY, had the ability to kill or wound them, in the act! I think that a LOT LESS crime would occur, in our lives/cities/cultures.

And NOT ONLY would there be LESS "crime", but we would be MUCH MORE "immune" to "rule/control" by people OTHER THAN ourselves!
Feb 17, 2018 4:05 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Let_Us: I voted "No", because I DON'T believe that "laws" are going to make us better people! If ANYTHING is going to make us better people, it's going to be better education! And I DON'T mean the education we get in our schools! I mean the INCULTURATION we receive from our parents, our culture/society, our "leaders" (from ALL arenas of human activity). We have to change the way we "VIEW" life, ourselves, and our place in it!

But, IF I could make a law, regarding gun "control", it would be to make gun ownership MANDATORY, with gun use, maintenance, and marksmanship training MANDATORY in the early stages of schooling. If every kid in that school had had their pistol with them, I can GUARANTEE you that THAT many kids WOULDN'T have died!

And I've read a couple of posts here about the "failure" of our policing agencies. What makes you think there were failures? Have you considered the option that, just like 9/11, there was government collusion in the attack? WHY would the government collude in such an act? Just like 9/11, to generate the right frame of mind in people, to allow them to pass legislation that will farther curtail human freedom! In 9/11, it was the "Patriot Act", which would NEVER have been enactable, without the hysteria of 9/11! I don't know what the NEW regulation will be, but you can bet that SOMETHING is going to be put forth as a methodology that will protect us! But there's only ONE problem with that idea. YOU CAN"T PROTECT A PERSON FROM THEMSELF! UNTIL we "learn" that WE are our only protection, that WE re responsible for loving/caring for OURSELVES (as well as each other), then we're going to continue having to deal with these problems, and we're going to continue to be divided, and thus "RULE"able! Maybe my "Hippie"ness is showing, but the answer is to teach ourselves and our children that by loving each other, we'll accomplish MUCH MORE, to the benefit of us all, than by allowing ourselves to continue being "divided", and thus "conquerable". Just MY opinion.


I'm in agreement with the training.
Feb 17, 2018 4:06 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Tanqueray: It’s a complex one because whenever it involves minors committing atrocities (such as the recent one), nothing seems to make sense.

It’s painful knowing a loved one, friend or colleague has died no matter the method or weapon used by the perpetrator. Only memories survive.


Very sad.
Feb 17, 2018 4:14 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Bearwoman
BearwomanBearwomanNorthgate, Ohio USA9 Threads 3,267 Posts
Feb 17, 2018 4:16 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Bearwoman: lindsyjones did you see/read this article?


that crummy Piece of Work is forever trying to deprive people of their Constitutional Rights!
Feb 17, 2018 4:19 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Bearwoman: lindsyjones did you see/read this article?



Thank you Bear. Just reading it right now.

It's ok with me.

21 is an adult.
Feb 17, 2018 4:20 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Bearwoman
BearwomanBearwomanNorthgate, Ohio USA9 Threads 3,267 Posts
Raising the age to 21 for someone to purchase an assault rife is what stomped me.

Someones age has never really made that much of difference anyway,.
Feb 17, 2018 4:53 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Harbal
HarbalHarbalSouth Yorkshire, England UK49 Threads 3 Polls 2,248 Posts
lindsyjones: I'm in agreement with the training.

Lindsy, you're agreeing with a guy that thinks all kids should be going to school armed with a pistol. Discipline in schools is already at an all time low, do you have any idea what it must be like to be a teacher trying to assert your authority over a room full of kids each of which has a gun tucked away in their lunch box? How much confidence do you think it's possible to project in such a situation?
Feb 17, 2018 5:01 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Harbal
HarbalHarbalSouth Yorkshire, England UK49 Threads 3 Polls 2,248 Posts
Conrad73: that crummy Piece of Work is forever trying to deprive people of their Constitutional Rights!

Do gnomes have rights?
Feb 17, 2018 5:22 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
21 ? ... Yeah, I remeber the day when we could fight and die in Vietnam but we couldn’t vote because we weren’t 21. That changed so,Stimson in the early 70s though.
Feb 17, 2018 6:16 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Bearwoman
BearwomanBearwomanNorthgate, Ohio USA9 Threads 3,267 Posts
lindsyjones: Thank you Bear. Just reading it right now.

It's ok with me.

21 is an adult.


lindsyjones Two of my older brothers were 18 when he enlisted in the army. Changing the age to 21 is nothing.
Feb 17, 2018 8:27 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
No, gun control will NOT solve the problem.

There's a little more of a willingness these days to see it mentioned ... the common denominator is that of mental health and, more specifically, the effect and side effects of pyschotropic meds.

There's zero indication that any 'mentally well' people are killing anyone - removing guns from the general (sane) population cannot possibly solve anything and the US Govt are not (yet) in a state of preparedness to putdown an uprising ...
Feb 17, 2018 9:27 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
HexagonKeySet: No, gun control will NOT solve the problem.

There's a little more of a willingness these days to see it mentioned ... the common denominator is that of mental health and, more specifically, the effect and side effects of pyschotropic meds.

There's zero indication that any 'mentally well' people are killing anyone - removing guns from the general (sane) population cannot possibly solve anything and the US Govt are not (yet) in a state of preparedness to putdown an uprising ...


Absolutely.
Feb 17, 2018 9:29 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Bearwoman: lindsyjones Two of my older brothers were 18 when he enlisted in the army. Changing the age to 21 is nothing.


What I was thinking was that, if the killer is 19 and got the ammo when he was 18, that at least they are more responsible in handling the use of the gun. Then I thought of it and if this is a case of mental illness then raising the age or not is not the solution either.
Feb 17, 2018 9:33 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
galrads: 21 ? ... Yeah, I remeber the day when we could fight and die in Vietnam but we couldn’t vote because we weren’t 21. That changed so,Stimson in the early 70s though.


My what a sad story Galrads. Voting is so much of an easier decision than to kill or be killed for what again? Freedom?

Anyways, I would rather that the age to own is raised coming from a democrat than to cut constitutional right.
Feb 18, 2018 6:21 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
lindsyjones: My what a sad story Galrads. Voting is so much of an easier decision than to kill or be killed for what again? Freedom?

Anyways, I would rather that the age to own is raised coming from a democrat than to cut constitutional right.
if the FBI did their job n too many laws on guns/22,000,hm.
Feb 18, 2018 6:27 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
reb56: if the FBI did their job n too many laws on guns/22,000,hm.


Good morning Reb.

Yes if only the authorities were there as needed, perhaps this could have been prevented. That is why I favor arming the teachers and increase the prevention of such a callous act.
Feb 18, 2018 6:31 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Harbal
HarbalHarbalSouth Yorkshire, England UK49 Threads 3 Polls 2,248 Posts
lindsyjones: I favor arming the teachers

And Let_Us wants to arm the kids. They could have staff-student shoot-outs at break times.
Feb 18, 2018 6:36 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Harbal: And Let_Us wants to arm the kids. They could have staff-student shoot-outs at break times.


Harbal, geesh, I wouldn't ever ever give real guns to kids. That is why I favor Feinstein's proposal of making 21 as the legal age to own one.

I do favor the teachers (already the law in Colorado) to be armed and trained.wave
Feb 18, 2018 7:15 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
lindsyjones: Good morning Reb.

Yes if only the authorities were there as needed, perhaps this could have been prevented. That is why I favor arming the teachers and increase the prevention of such a callous act.
GM,i agree,FBI whines we need the ATF to help us,get off dump trump FBI n do ur jobs,time fire inept FED workers!we would be fired for much less.
Feb 18, 2018 8:28 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Reb that is very true. I am waiting for the FBI to give us the reason why their negligence is so high on these things.
Feb 18, 2018 8:40 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
loulou77
loulou77loulou77Vancouver, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 1,555 Posts
lindsyjones: Harbal, geesh, I wouldn't ever ever give real guns to kids. That is why I favor Feinstein's proposal of making 21 as the legal age to own one.

I do favor the teachers (already the law in Colorado) to be armed and trained.


Why not spend money on mental health care and help at risk kids deal with their unsociable behaviour before they get out of control?...perhaps shunning those kids in school inspires them to rampage...just a thought...bullying by others also fuels their revenge fantasies...blues
Feb 18, 2018 8:44 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
loulou77: Why not spend money on mental health care and help at risk kids deal with their unsociable behaviour before they get out of control?...perhaps shunning those kids in school inspires them to rampage...just a thought...bullying by others also fuels their revenge fantasies...


Lou, thanks for joining in. I already posted that as one of the better solutions. I even scolded Reagan for closing them facilities which I never understood.

I do want to have them mental wards be a part of our medical benefit again.

It is a sad move that Reagan did that and his only justification that I was aware of were the abuses they received.
Feb 18, 2018 8:44 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
loulou77
loulou77loulou77Vancouver, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 1,555 Posts
A mother's perspective...

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