Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies? (603)
felixis99: Thanks Serene, The gun lobby platitudes on here are nothing more than that, the same old tired arguments....
The perpetrator in this latest case? Were it that he had a knife instead. Few to none would have perished. Have you seen him?...he is Just a skinny-arsed kid. I doubt he'd have the strength [ nor the talent] to wield a knife effectively. Put a semi- automatic weapon in his hand though...and he is a coward and a killer drunk on that power.
Not all Americans are obsessed with gun ownership, Guns can't be banned here, but regulation is possible. That is the real discussion. Regulation.
The youths in Florida seem determined to effect social change. Most major changes here have come from young people [ like ending the draft and changing the voting age]. So perhaps they will create change. But regulation can't be the only solution. We have to look long and hard at recent changes in our culture, the way we treat each other; the examples that we set as adults. Adults and parents must be responsible to discipline children. NO you cannot have a semi automatic weapon. That is friggin' crazy. We have to examine why would we ever think it's OK that a teenager spends time with such a weapon? That is NOT ok.
The money and power that gun lobbies have over politicians needs to come into the light for examination. And to be clear I have friends who are weapons dealers, and family members who hunt, and shoot skeet, and other target practice. So I am not in some ivory tower somewhere. BTW those who are uncompromising please need not respond. Remember, please, this is just my opinion, I have stated it respectfully which I am entitled to do. Thank you.
The perpetrator in this latest case? Were it that he had a knife instead. Few to none would have perished. Have you seen him?...he is Just a skinny-arsed kid. I doubt he'd have the strength [ nor the talent] to wield a knife effectively. Put a semi- automatic weapon in his hand though...and he is a coward and a killer drunk on that power.
Not all Americans are obsessed with gun ownership, Guns can't be banned here, but regulation is possible. That is the real discussion. Regulation.
The youths in Florida seem determined to effect social change. Most major changes here have come from young people [ like ending the draft and changing the voting age]. So perhaps they will create change. But regulation can't be the only solution. We have to look long and hard at recent changes in our culture, the way we treat each other; the examples that we set as adults. Adults and parents must be responsible to discipline children. NO you cannot have a semi automatic weapon. That is friggin' crazy. We have to examine why would we ever think it's OK that a teenager spends time with such a weapon? That is NOT ok.
The money and power that gun lobbies have over politicians needs to come into the light for examination. And to be clear I have friends who are weapons dealers, and family members who hunt, and shoot skeet, and other target practice. So I am not in some ivory tower somewhere. BTW those who are uncompromising please need not respond. Remember, please, this is just my opinion, I have stated it respectfully which I am entitled to do. Thank you.
This was in response to Serene's comment back on P. 3. I forgot to click yes to copy the quote
The video is rubbish, it's from, years ago. The laws subsequently been changed. Now you can use reasonable force against intruders etc...That was a countryside alliance march not a pro gun march..The Brendon Fearon character and the kids were petty criminals, and we're originally living around 12 miles from me. I know, because I had a run in with Fearon once... he's a broken drug addled cnut now. Well unless he's dead!
That was the countryside alliance march, in protest against the closure of hospitals, post offices, schools, bus routes in rural parts ..but they managed to find a couple of dissalusioned ex handgun owners! A couple of my friends attended.nearly went myself.. all 3 of us owned shotguns by the way, when handguns where legal I never met anyone or knew of anyone who owned one!
Mickmjb: The video is rubbish, it's from, years ago. The laws subsequently been changed. Now you can use reasonable force against intruders etc...That was a countryside alliance march not a pro gun march..The Brendon Fearon character and the kids were petty criminals, and we're originally living around 12 miles from me. I know, because I had a run in with Fearon once... he's a broken drug addled cnut now. Well unless he's dead!
Well that's a pretty vague term...... Care to enlighten us as to it's meaning?
Inthewoods: I ran into Mel a few weeks ago shopping for antiques, he told me to stop by anytime.
Not that I'd like to have all these ammo, but it sure will make him empowered to own them. One or two us OK with me.
Miwagi: Well that's a pretty vague term...... Care to enlighten us as to it's meaning?
Well the last big case I remember, which was a while ago, a family home was broken into and a couple where tied up, the robbers took stuff but the man managed to untie himself, and give Chase, arming himself with a cricket bat, he caught up with one of the intruders and broke the cricket bat over his head causing massive brain damage, he's wheelchair bound now, there was lots of debate on the issue of reasonable force, but the verdict was given that after his traumatic event he wouldnt be able to think straight anyway and was subsequently let off! My mate is a police sergeant and I've spoken to him about this more than once, if i considered my life was in danger, i.e. an intruder armed with a knife who was threatening to kill me, I could defend myself by killing him....or seriously injuring him! In the circumstances that would be deemed reasonable force!
Mickmjb: Well the last big case I remember, which was a while ago, a family home was broken into and a couple where tied up, the robbers took stuff but the man managed to untie himself, and give Chase, arming himself with a cricket bat, he caught up with one of the intruders and broke the cricket bat over his head causing massive brain damage, he's wheelchair bound now, there was lots of debate on the issue of reasonable force, but the verdict was given that after his traumatic event he wouldnt be able to think straight anyway and was subsequently let off! My mate is a police sergeant and I've spoken to him about this more than once, if i considered my life was in danger, i.e. an intruder armed with a knife who was threatening to kill me, I could defend myself by killing him....or seriously injuring him! In the circumstances that would be deemed reasonable force!
All sounds reasonable enough. You are lucky to live in a country with such a low crime rate. But how about a hypothetical situation. Say a couple thugs manage to get into your house and tie you and your wife up. After taking your valuables they decide to have a go at your wife while you are forced to watch. They assume they are safe since you don't have guns, and you somehow free yourself and reach your illegal loaded pistol. They come at you with a knife and you shoot and kill them both. Who would be the victim here, and my real question. Would your fate be decided by a jury of your peers? And if so what do you think the verdict would be?
I really have no clue because I don't know if it's ever happened, you would end up in court for having an illegal gun, that I'm sure. Usually the only people who'd have an illegal hand gun are criminals!
Mickmjb: I really have no clue because I don't know if it's ever happened, you would end up in court for having an illegal gun, that I'm sure. Usually the only people who'd have an illegal hand gun are criminals!
Do you have jury trials?
Mickmjb: Yes we do!
Good you you then. I just noticed this while Googling: Australians own as many guns as in 1996 - ABC News (Australian ...
Jan 13, 2013 - Map: Australia. A study has found Australians now own as many guns as they did at the time of the Port Arthur shootings in 1996. More than 1 million guns were destroyed in the aftermath of the massacre, but research shows Australians have restocked over the past 10 years, importing more than 1 million firearms.
Is it total BS?
Don't know, in the UK only handguns, where banned, full auto shotguns had to be modified so they could take 3 cartridges Max, it may be 2 now not sure, but getting a licence is tougher. Although any law abiding citizen wouldn't be refused..you get checked out regularly by the police, they have to be kept in a steel locker, etc. You also have to get your application form signed by your doctor! I'd imagine we have just as many guns now as before so the same maybe true in Australia!
Aye.
Nobody no-where should have any type of gun, not the police or anyone. Even if u use it just as a sport, someone will loose their tempers and fire it at a person or animal.
It is absolutely gross !!!
(btw. I grew up with guns, and a lot of my boyfriends were in the police force too)
Nobody no-where should have any type of gun, not the police or anyone. Even if u use it just as a sport, someone will loose their tempers and fire it at a person or animal.
It is absolutely gross !!!
(btw. I grew up with guns, and a lot of my boyfriends were in the police force too)
Mickmjb: Don't know, in the UK only handguns, where banned, full auto shotguns had to be modified so they could take 3 cartridges Max, it may be 2 now not sure, but getting a licence is tougher. Although any law abiding citizen wouldn't be refused..you get checked out regularly by the police, they have to be kept in a steel locker, etc. You also have to get your application form signed by your doctor! I'd imagine we have just as many guns now as before so the same maybe true in Australia!
Problem is you won't have time to get a loaded gun if you really need it. I was just reading a little about the Tony Martin case here:
Sounds like some of the jury may have been intimidated and afraid to acquit. We have something here now called jury nullification. The OJ Simpson case comes to mind. Also your country is different than ours. We have a 2,000 mile unsecured porous border with Mexico with illegals aliens and drugs pouring in everyday.
If you increase black market demand for guns you're creating a whole new cottage industry.
The theives were travellers, living in a camp and I'm not surprised they tried to intimidate the jury. Well we have a similar problem being part of Europe, it's very attractive for decent people to come here to work, but unfortunately it's also attractive to criminals too!
4 Years ago I Moved out of NY state after they Passed the SAFE Act Gun Ban ,!! None of the Police I know are in favor of this law. Im a Retired Vol, Firefighter. All this did was Infringe on the rights of the good people of NY.
Now Im In WV eastern panhandle and we have almost NO Gun control . We do not need a Pistol permit to carry a Concealed handgun ,, And NO the Streets Do Not Flow with Blood ! I have seen as an example a Guy walking in a Market with a Open carry Hand gun on his hip and hes pushing the baby carriage with the wife holding his arm.. Obviously the problem is NOT Gun Control Or the Lack of it, WE The People of the USA has 20,000 Gun laws on the books now with 700-900 Major Gun Laws .
What New gun control law do Liberals want Now? Just One more and One more after that On and On !!
My Former Wife is Chinese ,,Grew Up Under Mao . Mao said all power flows from the barrel of a Gun !!!.Troops came to the village to confiscate The food and search for her dad - They trapped RATS and they had some food to eat,, Im setting in a restaurant in China Chatting with a Table full of University Professors Most Commi Party members and Fiance tells them all the guns I own and they look at me in Shock and say-You own guns ? I said Yes lots of guns and they shook there heads and said WE WISH WE COULD OWN GUNS TOO!! Needless to say Former wife Likes the 2ND Amendment and enjoys the shooting sports [were still close friends ] Funny when Im On skype with extended family in China they want me to show them all the "Evil" so Called assault rifles I own They Love it ......
Todays children and young adults suck up the Liberal lifestyle Rotting there Brains with drugs-Violent Video Games ,and Kill da cops Music , No I dont go to church Im No angel ..Millions of Inner city Children Have NO Father in there lives No one to teach them right from wrong yet they have all the guns they want !! and they dont go to the gun store for them,, Remover the Gun crime states from the 6 Major LIBERAL Democrat Cities and Our USA gun crime rate Drops to the Lowest percentage..
NO wonder I support the Second Amendment !! Randy
Now Im In WV eastern panhandle and we have almost NO Gun control . We do not need a Pistol permit to carry a Concealed handgun ,, And NO the Streets Do Not Flow with Blood ! I have seen as an example a Guy walking in a Market with a Open carry Hand gun on his hip and hes pushing the baby carriage with the wife holding his arm.. Obviously the problem is NOT Gun Control Or the Lack of it, WE The People of the USA has 20,000 Gun laws on the books now with 700-900 Major Gun Laws .
What New gun control law do Liberals want Now? Just One more and One more after that On and On !!
My Former Wife is Chinese ,,Grew Up Under Mao . Mao said all power flows from the barrel of a Gun !!!.Troops came to the village to confiscate The food and search for her dad - They trapped RATS and they had some food to eat,, Im setting in a restaurant in China Chatting with a Table full of University Professors Most Commi Party members and Fiance tells them all the guns I own and they look at me in Shock and say-You own guns ? I said Yes lots of guns and they shook there heads and said WE WISH WE COULD OWN GUNS TOO!! Needless to say Former wife Likes the 2ND Amendment and enjoys the shooting sports [were still close friends ] Funny when Im On skype with extended family in China they want me to show them all the "Evil" so Called assault rifles I own They Love it ......
Todays children and young adults suck up the Liberal lifestyle Rotting there Brains with drugs-Violent Video Games ,and Kill da cops Music , No I dont go to church Im No angel ..Millions of Inner city Children Have NO Father in there lives No one to teach them right from wrong yet they have all the guns they want !! and they dont go to the gun store for them,, Remover the Gun crime states from the 6 Major LIBERAL Democrat Cities and Our USA gun crime rate Drops to the Lowest percentage..
NO wonder I support the Second Amendment !! Randy
Conrad73: https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/267084/fbis-bizarre-cover-gop-baseball-shooting-daniel-greenfield
I think it all depends on whose ox is being gored Conrad.
Miwagi: I think it all depends on whose ox is being gored Conrad.
most definitely!
9/11 not one gun was used in that and 2,996 were killed over 6,000 wounded.
Good point crazy.
Randy762ak: 4 Years ago I Moved out of NY state after they Passed the SAFE Act Gun Ban ,!! None of the Police I know are in favor of this law. Im a Retired Vol, Firefighter. All this did was Infringe on the rights of the good people of NY.
Now Im In WV eastern panhandle and we have almost NO Gun control . We do not need a Pistol permit to carry a Concealed handgun ,, And NO the Streets Do Not Flow with Blood ! I have seen as an example a Guy walking in a Market with a Open carry Hand gun on his hip and hes pushing the baby carriage with the wife holding his arm.. Obviously the problem is NOT Gun Control Or the Lack of it, WE The People of the USA has 20,000 Gun laws on the books now with 700-900 Major Gun Laws .
What New gun control law do Liberals want Now? Just One more and One more after that On and On !!
My Former Wife is Chinese ,,Grew Up Under Mao . Mao said all power flows from the barrel of a Gun !!!.Troops came to the village to confiscate The food and search for her dad - They trapped RATS and they had some food to eat,, Im setting in a restaurant in China Chatting with a Table full of University Professors Most Commi Party members and Fiance tells them all the guns I own and they look at me in Shock and say-You own guns ? I said Yes lots of guns and they shook there heads and said WE WISH WE COULD OWN GUNS TOO!! Needless to say Former wife Likes the 2ND Amendment and enjoys the shooting sports [were still close friends ] Funny when Im On skype with extended family in China they want me to show them all the "Evil" so Called assault rifles I own They Love it ......
Todays children and young adults suck up the Liberal lifestyle Rotting there Brains with drugs-Violent Video Games ,and Kill da cops Music , No I dont go to church Im No angel ..Millions of Inner city Children Have NO Father in there lives No one to teach them right from wrong yet they have all the guns they want !! and they dont go to the gun store for them,, Remover the Gun crime states from the 6 Major LIBERAL Democrat Cities and Our USA gun crime rate Drops to the Lowest percentage..
NO wonder I support the Second Amendment !! Randy
Now Im In WV eastern panhandle and we have almost NO Gun control . We do not need a Pistol permit to carry a Concealed handgun ,, And NO the Streets Do Not Flow with Blood ! I have seen as an example a Guy walking in a Market with a Open carry Hand gun on his hip and hes pushing the baby carriage with the wife holding his arm.. Obviously the problem is NOT Gun Control Or the Lack of it, WE The People of the USA has 20,000 Gun laws on the books now with 700-900 Major Gun Laws .
What New gun control law do Liberals want Now? Just One more and One more after that On and On !!
My Former Wife is Chinese ,,Grew Up Under Mao . Mao said all power flows from the barrel of a Gun !!!.Troops came to the village to confiscate The food and search for her dad - They trapped RATS and they had some food to eat,, Im setting in a restaurant in China Chatting with a Table full of University Professors Most Commi Party members and Fiance tells them all the guns I own and they look at me in Shock and say-You own guns ? I said Yes lots of guns and they shook there heads and said WE WISH WE COULD OWN GUNS TOO!! Needless to say Former wife Likes the 2ND Amendment and enjoys the shooting sports [were still close friends ] Funny when Im On skype with extended family in China they want me to show them all the "Evil" so Called assault rifles I own They Love it ......
Todays children and young adults suck up the Liberal lifestyle Rotting there Brains with drugs-Violent Video Games ,and Kill da cops Music , No I dont go to church Im No angel ..Millions of Inner city Children Have NO Father in there lives No one to teach them right from wrong yet they have all the guns they want !! and they dont go to the gun store for them,, Remover the Gun crime states from the 6 Major LIBERAL Democrat Cities and Our USA gun crime rate Drops to the Lowest percentage..
NO wonder I support the Second Amendment !! Randy
Conrad73: https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/267084/fbis-bizarre-cover-gop-baseball-shooting-daniel-greenfield
libs were in on it,why we need to get rid of gun free/target zones n PC b/s,etc.!crazyblondeone: 9/11 not one gun was used in that and 2,996 were killed over 6,000 wounded.
good point n saudis who funded killary were in on it,mostly saudis on planes!
Damn, with your gun you could have shot Ben Laden and his plane out of the sky! 
Ill leave you to to your fools errand, thanks for the chuckles.
Ill leave you to to your fools errand, thanks for the chuckles.
Miwagi: Good point crazy.
Miwagi: Good you you then. I just noticed this while Googling:
Australians own as many guns as in 1996 - ABC News (Australian ...
Jan 13, 2013 - Map: Australia. A study has found Australians now own as many guns as they did at the time of the Port Arthur shootings in 1996. More than 1 million guns were destroyed in the aftermath of the massacre, but research shows Australians have restocked over the past 10 years, importing more than 1 million firearms.
Is it total BS?
Australians own as many guns as in 1996 - ABC News (Australian ...
Jan 13, 2013 - Map: Australia. A study has found Australians now own as many guns as they did at the time of the Port Arthur shootings in 1996. More than 1 million guns were destroyed in the aftermath of the massacre, but research shows Australians have restocked over the past 10 years, importing more than 1 million firearms.
Is it total BS?
It is very clear that when it comes to protection, guns build confidence and strength. It is therefore predictable that guns will be in the hands of those who want to protect themselves. I will own a gun for that reason.
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The perpetrator in this latest case? Were it that he had a knife instead. Few to none would have perished. Have you seen him?...he is Just a skinny-arsed kid. I doubt he'd have the strength [ nor the talent] to wield a knife effectively. Put a semi- automatic weapon in his hand though...and he is a coward and a killer drunk on that power.
Not all Americans are obsessed with gun ownership, Guns can't be banned here, but regulation is possible. That is the real discussion. Regulation.
The youths in Florida seem determined to effect social change. Most major changes here have come from young people [ like ending the draft and changing the voting age]. So perhaps they will create change. But regulation can't be the only solution. We have to look long and hard at recent changes in our culture, the way we treat each other; the examples that we set as adults. Adults and parents must be responsible to discipline children. NO you cannot have a semi automatic weapon. That is friggin' crazy. We have to examine why would we ever think it's OK that a teenager spends time with such a weapon? That is NOT ok.
The money and power that gun lobbies have over politicians needs to come into the light for examination. And to be clear I have friends who are weapons dealers, and family members who hunt, and shoot skeet, and other target practice. So I am not in some ivory tower somewhere.