Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies? (603)

Apr 23, 2018 8:05 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Bearwoman
BearwomanBearwomanNorthgate, Ohio USA9 Threads 3,267 Posts
LeeCharming: Yes I know they were made in Russia, but it does not take away from the fact, that America have sold and still sell arms to the highest bidder…so it's no good deflecting from the subject...

United States
The United States Army developed a lightweight antitank weapon (LAW) in the middle 1950s. By 1961, the M72 LAW was in use. It is a shoulder-fired, disposable rocket launcher with HEAT warhead. It is a recoilless weapon, which is easy to use, and effective against armored vehicles. It was used in the Vietnam War. It uses a fin-stabilized rocket. In response to the threat of thicker armor, this weapon was replaced by the AT4 recoilless rifle, a larger & non-collapsible – albeit still single-shot weapon.
The United States Marine Corps uses a different launcher, which is reloadable – the Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW). Unlike the RPG, it is reloaded from the breech-end rather than the muzzle.
• M72 LAW
• Mk 153 Shoulder-Launched Multipurpose Assault Weapon (SMAW)
• M141 Bunker Defeat Munition
• PSRL-1



The stats are not recent, but I’m sure they have increased considerably in the last 5 years…
America are meant to be the good guys? Russia we know about their history and their alliance with Germany in world war two….This thread is about America and not other countries…You could always write a thread about Russia if you wanted to?
LeeCharming one of my older brothers served during the Vietnam War from 1966-1967 and I have a black and white photo of his army buddies with the weapons they used back then.
Apr 23, 2018 8:07 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
R_U_the_1_4_me
R_U_the_1_4_meR_U_the_1_4_meBuffalo, New York USA181 Posts
Now we need high capacity Van control laws, in Canada, some guy rented a and and purposely ran over 20 people in Toronto, CNN (Fake New Networks is calling it a collision! Now where have we heard that before?????
Apr 23, 2018 8:10 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
LeeCharming: Do you really believe the lies, that politicians tell you? You have seen how corrupted your deep state is, Obama is, Killary and bill are...The deep state can cover up anything, that they want and no one will know any different...The Government are just yes men and women...to the deep state and do what they are ordered to do...like Trump has now done....They are all in it together and most of them are part of a secret society...Most of them have innocents blood on their hands and just like Hollywood. they are corrupt....

Who created ISIS? I think you know...

Innocent americans are not at fault, but they did allow the deep state to have too much power and now you will all wake up and wonder why you no longer feel free or safe? They want to own you and control you...they want to spy on you and brainwash you..they want to scare monger you with fake news and lies...the people need to stand up and take back the power, because your country is being taken over by the NWO, Globalists and no one is opposing them
You should come on over and join the fight. We can hook you up with an AR and ammo.
Apr 23, 2018 8:32 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
LeeCharming
LeeCharmingLeeCharmingCardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK537 Threads 273 Polls 6,941 Posts
Miwagi: You should come on over and join the fight. We can hook you up with an AR and ammo.
I am not violent though and never even killed an animalprofessor

I was not brought up with guns, so I guess that's why I oppose them so much, because I think human life is worth far more, than any weapon could ever be and money is the root to all evil.

How do you feel about the deep state? Will you be one of the one's who stand up, when your time comes?
Apr 23, 2018 8:46 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
LeeCharming: I am not violent though and never even killed an animal

I was not brought up with guns, so I guess that's why I oppose them so much, because I think human life is worth far more, than any weapon could ever be and money is the root to all evil.

How do you feel about the deep state? Will you be one of the one's who stand up, when your time comes?
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure," Jefferson wrote in a letter to William S. Smith, a diplomatic official in London, on November 13, 1787.

Do you really think you can talk the deep state into surrendering their power peacefully? Do you think we will still have free and honest elections?

Me? I don't know .........I was born free and would like to die free. To be honest I don't really fancy the idea of growing old and waiting to die in some nursing home. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Apr 23, 2018 8:46 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
reb56: people kill not guns!
lindsyjones: Absolutely Reb.
People kill, not Islam
So why are you scared of Islam and not Guns?
Apr 23, 2018 8:59 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
M4_Mischief
M4_MischiefM4_MischiefBelleville, Ontario Canada6,250 Posts
I think what you're gonna see in Canada now are van rental laws....you will need 36 pieces of id....a fingerprint..a.facial recognition test....explosives test in one of those puffer things....a notary public....and a note from your mom and dad in order to rent a van....professor
Apr 24, 2018 2:29 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person— (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; (2) is a fugitive from justice; (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution; (5) who, being an alien— (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26))); (6) who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that— (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B) (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.WIKI

From the US 1968 Gun-Control-Act!



you need to enforce the Laws,NOT making new ones!doh
Apr 24, 2018 2:49 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
rizlared: People kill, not Islam
So why are you scared of Islam and not Guns?
Why are you scared of guns and not Islam?

From a pro-civilisation point of view both would be tightly-controlled and there's a gap in the market for a prudence movement which rejects greed is good and teach the world to sing. The left and right today support mad people doing any mad thing they want so long as that person is their chosen mad men, to love one type of mad and hate the other is what it does because it's motivated by prejudice, not prudence.
Apr 24, 2018 3:14 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: Why are you scared of guns and not Islam?

From a pro-civilisation point of view both would be tightly-controlled and there's a gap in the market for a prudence movement which rejects greed is good and teach the world to sing. The left and right today support mad people doing any mad thing they want so long as that person is their chosen mad men, to love one type of mad and hate the other is what it does because it's motivated by prejudice, not prudence.
Which is of course a product of the me generation. Pro-civilisation thinking is not in its nature, it's about who you like and dislike rather than what is true or false and right or wrong. There's no referee and the sense of fairplay is completely eroded by other people never being as important as you, emotion will get the better of you when everything you do and believe is a product of personal preference and not reason, justice or duty to the rules.
Apr 24, 2018 3:15 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
Conrad73: It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person— (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; (2) is a fugitive from justice; (3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)); (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution; (5) who, being an alien— (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(26))); (6) who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; (7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship; (8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that— (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B) (i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.WIKI

From the US 1968 Gun-Control-Act!



you need to enforce the Laws,NOT making new ones!
Check the laws in that State Conrad, perhaps you forget that each state has their own laws.
But a review of Illinois and Tennessee state law shows it's likely Travis Reinking and his father did not violate any state firearms laws before Travis Reinking opened fire early Sunday.


"Given the information provided at this stage in the investigation about the weapons Reinking may have had in his possession, there is nothing in the record that would have given law enforcement officers an indication that possession of those weapons would be in violation of Tennessee law," said the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation in a statement late Monday morning.

During a Sunday news conference, Nashville Police Chief Steve Anderson said it was "concerning" but potentially not illegal for Reinking to have guns in Tennessee before the shooting.

"(The weapons) would not have been lawfully in his hands in Illinois. Now, possessing them in Tennessee, I don't know that he would have violated any Tennessee law," Anderson said.

The Illinois State Police have not responded Tuesday to requests for information."


The father should still be arrested as an accomplice and given life imprisonment with no chance of parole.
Apr 24, 2018 3:35 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
R_U_the_1_4_me: Now we need high capacity Van control laws, in Canada, some guy rented a and and purposely ran over 20 people in Toronto, CNN (Fake New Networks is calling it a collision! Now where have we heard that before?????
n he now hes not a muslim,hm.
Apr 24, 2018 3:42 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Ideally what would happen is for both sides to stop obstructing and test the ideas of the other but this is made difficult by generation me. The concept of not getting all your own way is alien and because it's not feasible to get your own way all the time what invariably happens is nothing at all, all you're left with is spiting the people you don't like and that's what politics is now.

But anyway Trump's wall itself lessens the need for an American to own a gun, building that wall decreases the likelihood of firing a gun in self-defence so why not build the wall as well as enforcing/tightening the gun laws? There's no contradiction in these ideas and for them to work the only thing you need to get over is yourself.
Apr 24, 2018 5:26 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
one simple answer Gandhi had for the British was Ahimsa, the path holding respect for all living things and avoidance of violence towards others. The British left...and Indians collected there salt to the benifit of the peoples of India.

"Only through practicing non-violence that we can actually create a positive impact,"

Developing at an early age understanding that an act without violence, that is motivated by compassion, is developed first and foremost by recognizing the rights of others. Recognizing others don't enjoy suffering any more than we do.

Our problems are created in mind, our own mind, resolution must also then come from mind, our own mind.

Communities need to better foster understanding of the value of a mind directed towards loving kindness, as the development of true compassion arises from understanding interdependence of the sufferings...without understanding the root cause the cycle of our suffering keep reappearing, round and round, suffering upon suffering...ever more sufferings...

"Only through practicing non-violence that we can actually create a positive impact,"
Apr 24, 2018 6:33 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
robplum: one simple answer Gandhi had for the British was Ahimsa, the path holding respect for all living things and avoidance of violence towards others. The British left...and Indians collected there salt to the benifit of the peoples of India.

"Only through practicing non-violence that we can actually create a positive impact,"

Developing at an early age understanding that an act without violence, that is motivated by compassion, is developed first and foremost by recognizing the rights of others. Recognizing others don't enjoy suffering any more than we do.

Our problems are created in mind, our own mind, resolution must also then come from mind, our own mind.

Communities need to better foster understanding of the value of a mind directed towards loving kindness, as the development of true compassion arises from understanding interdependence of the sufferings...without understanding the root cause the cycle of our suffering keep reappearing, round and round, suffering upon suffering...ever more sufferings...

"Only through practicing non-violence that we can actually create a positive impact,"
Gandi? Really?

Hence also do I advocate training in arms for those who believe in the method of violence. I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honor than that she should in a cowardly manner become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor. - M.K. Gandhi, The Doctrine of the Sword.

Gandhi also explains that someone who cannot use violence to defend themselves or their family is a helpless coward and a "worm."

In his own words from the text Between Cowardice And Violence

...He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully ..."

Be careful who you use as examples!!!
Apr 24, 2018 8:06 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
deviant_slice: We could start by shooting all the Welsh. They killed all those Zulus at Rourkes Drift. They have the scent of blood in their nostrils.
Deviant, I am rather ignorant of this comment but thank you for being here.wave
Apr 24, 2018 8:08 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
LeeCharming: I live in a country, where people don't hold guns and most of the crimes are committed by the immigrants, because they don't have respect for our laws and will never fit into a civilised society, because they follow the quran and sharia law....

If you give guns to illegal maniacs, then you will get mass murders, give guns and bombs to quran followers and you will get mass murders, give guns to illegals, who can't be traced, then you will get mass killings...America has always been in wars and sold arms to others...they make too much money to ban the selling of guns and I don't see them banning guns anytime in the future...

It's fake news and they won't be stopping their violent ways either...some people in America are patriotic and salute their flag, but a lot of innocent blood has been dripping on that flag and continues to drip...America have too much oil in the middle east to stop their wars and they will do anything to protect it from outside forces...human live in a secondary concern for the US government
Lee here is my question to you, why would you allow all these immigrants to mount all your troubles?
Apr 24, 2018 8:10 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
M4_Mischief: That depends...do you think all these mass shootings are normal...has thing become the norm...if so then do nothing....if not then there are several things that need to be done....one of which is common sense gun control....
Common sense like how?
Apr 24, 2018 9:48 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
M4_Mischief
M4_MischiefM4_MischiefBelleville, Ontario Canada6,250 Posts
Its logical and common sense that:


You don't want guns in the hands of people who want to do their selves or others harm;

You don't want guns in the hands of children;

You don't want to make it easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun;

You don't want people who are negligent with guns that results in somebody being killed...like a child to have a gun...

You don't want people who aren't trained in gun safety first to have a gun;

You probably don't want people stockpiling guns and ammo;


Things like that are common sense to me....the thing that gets me about gun advocates is that they place the right to own a gun higher than the right to life...lets face it just because people have to the right to own a gun...doesn't mean they should...


wave
Apr 24, 2018 10:21 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
M4_Mischief: Its logical and common sense that:


You don't want guns in the hands of people who want to do their selves or others harm;

You don't want guns in the hands of children;

You don't want to make it easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun;

You don't want people who are negligent with guns that results in somebody being killed...like a child to have a gun...

You don't want people who aren't trained in gun safety first to have a gun;

You probably don't want people stockpiling guns and ammo;


Things like that are common sense to me....the thing that gets me about gun advocates is that they place the right to own a gun higher than the right to life...lets face it just because people have to the right to own a gun...doesn't mean they should...
I agree on everything you said. The only thing is common sense is not the rule. If it works then no more tragedies.

Criminals don't have common sense.

Childrdn must never own a gun.

Thanks, I'll get back with you more later.
Apr 24, 2018 1:09 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
M4_Mischief
M4_MischiefM4_MischiefBelleville, Ontario Canada6,250 Posts
Im not saying criminals have common sense....im saying its common sense to put things in place...whatever they may be so these things don't occur...you will never get rid of any crime totally...yet there are still laws in place and consequences for those who don't obey it....do we do away with speeding offences simply because everybody does it anyway? or any other law just because there will always be people who break it?...no...laws are in place obviously in hopes to at least reduce whatever is happening that required laws in the first place....bouquet
Apr 24, 2018 1:35 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
M4_Mischief: Im not saying criminals have common sense....im saying its common sense to put things in place...whatever they may be so these things don't occur...you will never get rid of any crime totally...yet there are still laws in place and consequences for those who don't obey it....do we do away with speeding offences simply because everybody does it anyway? or any other law just because there will always be people who break it?...no...laws are in place obviously in hopes to at least reduce whatever is happening that required laws in the first place....
Very true.

My suggestion is to have a very strict gun law regulations but not to completely alter our constitutional law by stripping out the right to own gun. Since it is a right, there must be some serious consideration as to who can own one and not. Part of that is to examine the mental fitness of anyone who owns a gun and even with that it is not a total foul proof because we can never tell when one loses his or her mind.

To sum it up, there will always be crimes but gun control in the sense of completely getting rid of the right to own one is not the solution.

Thanks.bouquet
Apr 24, 2018 1:38 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
robplum: one simple answer Gandhi had for the British was Ahimsa, the path holding respect for all living things and avoidance of violence towards others. The British left...and Indians collected there salt to the benifit of the peoples of India.

"Only through practicing non-violence that we can actually create a positive impact,"

Developing at an early age understanding that an act without violence, that is motivated by compassion, is developed first and foremost by recognizing the rights of others. Recognizing others don't enjoy suffering any more than we do.

Our problems are created in mind, our own mind, resolution must also then come from mind, our own mind.

Communities need to better foster understanding of the value of a mind directed towards loving kindness, as the development of true compassion arises from understanding interdependence of the sufferings...without understanding the root cause the cycle of our suffering keep reappearing, round and round, suffering upon suffering...ever more sufferings...

"Only through practicing non-violence that we can actually create a positive impact,"
Very idealistic principle Rob. Realistically, there are always those that are violent prone people.

Those that have mental imbalance and let us face it, we are people of emotions and we tend to go by our feelings more than our reasons or logic. To be able to practice non violence, while ideal, it doesn't seem to fit 100 percent on humans that are imperfectly created, my two cents.
Apr 24, 2018 2:24 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
bigjb62: It's unfortunate our government seems to be hell bent on ignoring the laws we already have that would actually work to prevent a lot of gun crimes & murders.
So we have to ask why are they not enforcing laws that we already have? And why are they and others pushing for more laws that only effect the law abiding?
I think there can be only one reason for it. And that's to eventually remove guns from the hands every American.
And once that's done whats to stop them from removing the rest of our freedoms?
u nailed it n i agree they want to be part of the problem n grab our rights,etc.
Apr 24, 2018 2:29 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
bigjb62: It's unfortunate our government seems to be hell bent on ignoring the laws we already have that would actually work to prevent a lot of gun crimes & murders.
So we have to ask why are they not enforcing laws that we already have? And why are they and others pushing for more laws that only effect the law abiding?
I think there can be only one reason for it. And that's to eventually remove guns from the hands every American.
And once that's done whats to stop them from removing the rest of our freedoms?
Exactly. That is why we have to stop this while we can.
Apr 24, 2018 2:35 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Inthewoods
InthewoodsInthewoodsColorado Springs, Colorado USA9,896 Posts
No, gun control is not the solution to the world full of people with problems.
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If anyone on here thinks anybody's coming for their guns, I don't think so.
Apr 24, 2018 4:42 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Inthewoods: No, gun control is not the solution to the world full of people with problems. If anyone on here thinks anybody's coming for their guns, I don't think so.
I absolutely agree with you inthewoods.
Apr 24, 2018 6:57 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
bigjb62
bigjb62bigjb62Society Hill, South Carolina USA1 Threads 935 Posts
Inthewoods: No, gun control is not the solution to the world full of people with problems. If anyone on here thinks anybody's coming for their guns, I don't think so.
Is the federal government going to pass a one law and start confiscating guns? Not likely. Will it be done incrementally? That would be a yes since that's already happening in some states, where they either have or are trying to outlaw weapons just because they look a certain way or have meaningless features.
After they have banned several weapons. The next step is their going to make it almost impossible to purchase any kind of new firearm or any ammo. Not being able to buy ammo means most existing guns will have limited ammo and be considered less of a threat to the government.
Then a complete and total ban.
Apr 25, 2018 6:50 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
robplum: one simple answer Gandhi had for the British was Ahimsa, the path holding respect for all living things and avoidance of violence towards others. The British left...and Indians collected there salt to the benifit of the peoples of India.

"Only through practicing non-violence that we can actually create a positive impact,"

Developing at an early age understanding that an act without violence, that is motivated by compassion, is developed first and foremost by recognizing the rights of others. Recognizing others don't enjoy suffering any more than we do.

Our problems are created in mind, our own mind, resolution must also then come from mind, our own mind.

Communities need to better foster understanding of the value of a mind directed towards loving kindness, as the development of true compassion arises from understanding interdependence of the sufferings...without understanding the root cause the cycle of our suffering keep reappearing, round and round, suffering upon suffering...ever more sufferings...

"Only through practicing non-violence that we can actually create a positive impact,"
Rob I have no question about that principle. The question is, how many violent people in this world that just sweep us to respond in the same way?
Apr 25, 2018 6:54 AM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
"Gandhi also explains that someone who cannot use violence to defend themselves or their family is a helpless coward and a "worm.""

That means that while he advocates the method of practicing non violence to create a positive impact, he does resort to violence for defense when necessary.

I would never hesitate to use violence if that is the only last chance I have to live and protect my family.
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