Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies? (603)

Feb 15, 2018 3:02 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
R_U_the_1_4_me: That's like asking if drug laws and drinking while drunk laws actually work!
war on drugs is a joke,build the wall.
Feb 15, 2018 3:19 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Tulefell
TulefellTulefellGothenburg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden103 Threads 5 Polls 3,298 Posts
I'm not sure that I fight and I'm not sure what Gungrabbers are... But I'm sure that the OP is a fat troll and I'm sure that USA shooting isn't European business. EU should just sharpen the border control with USA,l is all. And left 'em with 'eirs.

But I'm sure that I'm glad to see you.

And I'm sure that what happened in Florida is going to repeat within short somewhere else in USA.

Well... I'm sorry for the victims and my condolences to the survivors.



(Not that they would ever offer any condolences to other countries, but I'd let it be...)
Feb 15, 2018 3:21 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Tulefell: I'm not sure that I fight and I'm not sure what Gungrabbers are... But I'm sure that the OP is a fat troll and I'm sure that USA shooting isn't European business. EU should just sharpen the border control with USA,l is all. And left 'em with 'eirs.

But I'm sure that I'm glad to see you.

And I'm sure that what happened in Florida is going to repeat within short somewhere else in USA.

Well... I'm sorry for the victims and my condolences to the survivors.



(Not that they would ever offer any condolences to other countries, but I'd let it be...)


(Who are ‘they’) confused
Feb 15, 2018 3:21 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
reb56: agree,the FBI was too busy on dump trump,etc.!


Definitely focused on wrong things.
Feb 15, 2018 3:33 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
crazyblondeone
crazyblondeonecrazyblondeoneNo Scammers, California USA39 Threads 3,164 Posts
lindsyjones: These massacres don't seem to happen on the ghettos.

Recently it's more if a school area than anywhere else.


No, they just do "drive-by" shootings. Like in Chicago, in 2016 they had 4,331 shooting victims, where are the shootings mostly? The south side.

Feb 15, 2018 3:44 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
crazyblondeone: No, they just do "drive-by" shootings. Like in Chicago, in 2016 they had 4,331 shooting victims, where are the shootings mostly? The south side.




Chicago is one of the USA’s unfortunate liberal-lead tragedies crying
Feb 15, 2018 3:47 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
galrads: National rifle association my back side. Replace the gun shot wounds with tire tracks and squashed people. What are you going to seek the ... ban all motor vehicles? The focus needs to be on mental health.

School systems fail society here in so many ways today.

Use to be you could find unlocked pickup trucks with full rifle racks parked in school parking lots and things were ok in the USA. What’s changed since then? Parents and schools aren’t doing their jobs is what’s happened.
Things changed Galrads but over all, we can't deconstitutionalized our laws just because of these nuts.

Again, these nut jobs are not going to win by having our rights to protect ourselves be stripped off.
Feb 15, 2018 3:50 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
crazyblondeone: No, they just do "drive-by" shootings. Like in Chicago, in 2016 they had 4,331 shooting victims, where are the shootings mostly? The south side.



That is terrible. What I meant is that these type of massacres or tragedies.

Although I didn't mean to discredit all the killings done by drive by shootings. I was more specific about these tragedies as the core of the discussion.

These drive by shootings are done by criminals that will have guns whether we like it or not. Whether there is a gun control or not. Exactly the reason why the individual responsible citizens deserve to have themselves protected by owning legally some weapon for protection.
Feb 15, 2018 3:53 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Tulefell: Conrad, for the first I'm glad to see you around.

For the second - I'm glad to see you around :)

For the third I could have asked why you bother with the cause that is not yours to... establish (right word?), besides that OP is a fat troll...

So, what's in it for you in the third?


Are you saying that being a non American is not concerned with these tragedies?

Fat troll, you have the guts, that is all I have to say.rolling on the floor laughing
Feb 15, 2018 3:55 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
lindsyjones: That is terrible. What I meant is that these type of massacres or tragedies.

Although I didn't mean to discredit all the killings done by drive by shootings. I was more specific about these tragedies as the core of the discussion.

These drive by shootings are done by criminals that will have guns whether we like it or not. Whether there is a gun control or not. Exactly the reason why the individual responsible citizens deserve to have themselves protected by owning legally some weapon for protection.


Yes, all the crazy Chicago murders remind me of the needless tragedies in Vietnam except the enemy is everyone else in Chicago. No dichotomynbetween the two imo....


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Feb 15, 2018 3:58 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Tulefell
TulefellTulefellGothenburg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden103 Threads 5 Polls 3,298 Posts
'mericans.

A few years ago an emigrant from USA stabbed to death a young woman here when I live. Perhaps, 200 m away. She just happened to be on the same tram as he. I go to the nearest food-store passing the place when it happened.

You are "they" for me. As aliens. They. Just "they".

And I don't understand why people bothers to care in case of "them".

Hope, you've got the drift.
Feb 15, 2018 4:11 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
crazyblondeone
crazyblondeonecrazyblondeoneNo Scammers, California USA39 Threads 3,164 Posts
lindsyjones: That is terrible. What I meant is that these type of massacres or tragedies.

Although I didn't mean to discredit all the killings done by drive by shootings. I was more specific about these tragedies as the core of the discussion.

These drive by shootings are done by criminals that will have guns whether we like it or not. Whether there is a gun control or not. Exactly the reason why the individual responsible citizens deserve to have themselves protected by owning legally some weapon for protection.


Exactly on that concerning criminals, who will have them no matter what. In this article, these people said they would rather get caught by the police with a gun then their enemies. Very sad situation.

If guns were outlawed, only the criminals would have guns. It would be mayhem to say the least. What we need is better mental health for these people committing the crimes, but whose to say who is crazy? dunno
Feb 15, 2018 4:17 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
crazyblondeone: Exactly on that concerning criminals, who will have them no matter what. In this article, these people said they would rather get caught by the police with a gun then their enemies. Very sad situation.

If guns were outlawed, only the criminals would have guns. It would be mayhem to say the least. What we need is better mental health for these people committing the crimes, but whose to say who is crazy?


Agreed blonde, I would also blame the FBI's negligence on the prevention.

Please go and read the post of Conrad about the extensive awareness of the authorities of the nature of the killer. They would have been able prevent this in my opinion by treating him as a menace to society.
Feb 15, 2018 4:24 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
On your post C of the bondsman notifying the authorities of his criminal tendencies, why have they not done anything to investigate it?

That is the problem. Negligence. I know for a fact that if they watch him like a hawk, who knows, he would have been prevented.
Feb 15, 2018 4:25 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
britishcolumbian
britishcolumbianbritishcolumbianunknown, British Columbia Canada153 Threads 894 Posts
When ever the threat goes, lets have gun control, the sale of guns is going up sky high.
People want to buy guns in case they won't be able to some day.

NO gun control for surethumbs up
Feb 15, 2018 4:28 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
britishcolumbian: When ever the threat goes, lets have gun control, the sale of guns is going up sky high.
People want to buy guns in case they won't be able to some day.

NO gun control for sure


Regarding in case they won’t be able to buy them some day.... POTUS Obama and Secretary Clinton were the best thing ever to help gun and ammo sales in the USA.
Feb 15, 2018 4:35 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
britishcolumbian: When ever the threat goes, lets have gun control, the sale of guns is going up sky high.
People want to buy guns in case they won't be able to some day.

NO gun control for sure

Same thing with me here Jen.thumbs up
Feb 15, 2018 4:36 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
galrads: Regarding in case they won’t be able to buy them some day.... POTUS Obama and Secretary Clinton were the best thing ever to help gun and ammo sales in the USA.


Of course Galrads, imagine if we were completely stripped off the right to buy guns, buy while you can.
Feb 15, 2018 6:06 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
GregKeegan
GregKeeganGregKeeganMoliagul, Victoria Australia12 Threads 87 Posts
Here in Australia, they didn't take away our right to own a gun but they did make it a lot harder to do so as well as removing all sen=mi and fully automatic weaponry from the majority of the community. If you live on over 1000 acres or have written permission form the owner of the property you can still get semi auto weapons for pest eradication.
To own a gun here you need good reason and there is a serious application process to go through to obtain one and then every gun is registered and must be kept in a gun safe when not in use as well as having a licence to both own and use it.
Most people just don't need a gun and therefore, don't own one and that is a good thing I think. If there are less guns available for people with a issue then it just makes it that much harder for them to acquire one and go crazy like the latest mass school killings.
If you look at the statistics, they USA is where the laws on gun control and the amount of them in circulation within the general public, also has the highest homicide rates where the countries with more stringent gun control laws, have far less with the exception of Norway who also has a large number of guns by populace but doesn't have the killings. I do not support the complete control of guns in society but do support the removal of fully automatic and semi automatic weapons as well as all assault rifles and military style guns. If everyone around you isn't carrying a gun or owns one that they have easy access too at any given time then you don't need to carry one either out of fear and the need to protect yourself from others who have them. It just makes sense to me. Sporting gun clubs is good but it is in a controlled environment that the guns are used and full safety is taught and practiced while using them as well as for hunting purposes but I don't think that anyone and everyone who just wants one should have access to them and almost any type of gun they want. This jsut breeds trouble, in my opinion and the statistics seem to prove that especially in the USA where so often we hear about these mass murders by disgruntled individuals with easy access to serious weaponry.
MY thoughts anyway.
Feb 15, 2018 6:36 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
GregKeegan: Here in Australia, they didn't take away our right to own a gun but they did make it a lot harder to do so as well as removing all sen=mi and fully automatic weaponry from the majority of the community. . This jsut breeds trouble, in my opinion and the statistics seem to prove that especially in the USA where so often we hear about these mass murders by disgruntled individuals with easy access to serious weaponry.
MY thoughts anyway.

Greg I live in a town of about 60,000 people, probably half of the population owns guns.We have maybe an average 5-6 murders per year. Big majority of those are domestic disputes and sometimes knives are used as well as guns. Overall the crime rate is pretty low and home invasions are kept to an absolute minimum. Guns aren't the problem, disturbed people are the problem.
Feb 15, 2018 6:42 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
GregKeegan: Here in Australia, they didn't take away our right to own a gun but they did make it a lot harder to do so as well as removing all sen=mi and fully automatic weaponry from the majority of the community. If you live on over 1000 acres or have written permission form the owner of the property you can still get semi auto weapons for pest eradication.
To own a gun here you need good reason and there is a serious application process to go through to obtain one and then every gun is registered and must be kept in a gun safe when not in use as well as having a licence to both own and use it.
Most people just don't need a gun and therefore, don't own one and that is a good thing I think. If there are less guns available for people with a issue then it just makes it that much harder for them to acquire one and go crazy like the latest mass school killings.
If you look at the statistics, they USA is where the laws on gun control and the amount of them in circulation within the general public, also has the highest homicide rates where the countries with more stringent gun control laws, have far less with the exception of Norway who also has a large number of guns by populace but doesn't have the killings. I do not support the complete control of guns in society but do support the removal of fully automatic and semi automatic weapons as well as all assault rifles and military style guns. If everyone around you isn't carrying a gun or owns one that they have easy access too at any given time then you don't need to carry one either out of fear and the need to protect yourself from others who have them. It just makes sense to me. Sporting gun clubs is good but it is in a controlled environment that the guns are used and full safety is taught and practiced while using them as well as for hunting purposes but I don't think that anyone and everyone who just wants one should have access to them and almost any type of gun they want. This jsut breeds trouble, in my opinion and the statistics seem to prove that especially in the USA where so often we hear about these mass murders by disgruntled individuals with easy access to serious weaponry.
MY thoughts anyway.


Thank you, I don't have any problem either with the stricter laws or the limit of the automatic weaponry. I am oppose to the notion that the right to bear arm is completely removed from the constitution.
Feb 15, 2018 6:48 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Miwagi: Greg I live in a town of about 60,000 people, probably half of the population owns guns.We have maybe an average 5-6 murders per year. Big majority of those are domestic disputes and sometimes knives are used as well as guns. Overall the crime rate is pretty low and home invasions are kept to an absolute minimum. Guns aren't the problem, disturbed people are the problem.


Exactly Miwagi, that is the problem. These nuts and these loonies are the ones causing these problems. There has been a need of these people to go to the assylum and have themselves locked up.
Feb 15, 2018 7:04 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
GregKeegan
GregKeeganGregKeeganMoliagul, Victoria Australia12 Threads 87 Posts
I understand what you are saying but I think it still strands to reason that if tighter restrictions were placed on gun ownership and there were not as many guns available in society for the individuals that have issues that bend them towards these atrocities, then less of them would occur. I'm not into taking away the right to bear arms completely, I just think it would make a safer place if the laws concerning the acquisition of a firearm made it more difficult for the average nutter to do so as well as the restriction of military style weapons and semi and fully automatic weapons. I don't think that those types of weapons are safe in the hands of the average person and should be kept for use for their intended purpose and that is for military action.. I would not be opposed at all to seeing all of thiose weapons removed from the general public without licencing for specific uses such as gun clubs where their use was controlled as well as the storage of them. Not that it matters what I think about your country, it doesn't effect me how or what laws are there concerning guns of any type.
If someone is hell bent on doing these things then nothing will stop them from finding the ways and means of doing so regardless of any laws or restrictions that are in place. It only makes a difference to those individuals who at a time of instability, rage or anger where easy access to those kinds of firearms, means that they can act out their fantasy for whatever reason. If they didn't have easy access to them then a lot of these sad days just wouldn't be heard of.
Feb 15, 2018 7:13 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
New, fully automatic weapons—weapons that reload automatically and fire continuously with one trigger pull—have been banned for civilians in the United States since the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986. AR15 are semi automatic. They look like a military weapon but shoot like a hunting rifle with a large clip.
Feb 15, 2018 7:15 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
JoachimBlack
JoachimBlackJoachimBlackArima, Borough of Arima Trinidad and Tobago1 Threads 2 Posts
Never seen a Gun get up and kill someone yet.... this is a social problem that may be mitigated against by stricter gun controls, but people never had an issue with killing other people before the advent of guns..... there is a hole in society that can’t be filled by conventional means.... we have to take a closer look at people.... people are hurt, and hurting, angry and reactive... we have to make it ok not to be ok and yet not react in such a final way. So like the rest of the world, I can identify the issue but as to a soloution....... I can recommend none that will cover all areas... so we have to take a measured approach and try different things and everything... this has to stop.
Feb 15, 2018 7:17 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
studecar
studecarstudecarsayre, Oklahoma USA7 Threads 102 Posts
So long as the Repubs are in the pockets of the NRA nothing will be done. The Repubs are really proud of killing kids. I saw on the news the amounts the top Repubs have received from the NRA - in the 6 figures for one and in the 5 figures for the other two - yeah - that's why we send them to congress, we want all of them to become millionaires on the taxes we pay.
studecar professor
Feb 15, 2018 7:46 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
crazyblondeone
crazyblondeonecrazyblondeoneNo Scammers, California USA39 Threads 3,164 Posts
On November 14, 2017, my sister texted me and asked if my grandchildren were okay, I asked why she said there was a shooting in my county at one of the schools. I got on the computer and saw that it was in Rancho Tehama, it is out in the middle of nowhere, and this guy was on a rampage (my grandchildren don't go to this school). He had killed his wife the night before stuffing her under his trailer, which wasn't found until later in the day on the 14th. The next day the 14th he starting shooting people, the little tiny school went on lockdown, and he shot at the walls since he couldn't get in. Only one child there was injured through the wall. Others weren't so lucky outside the school on the road.

He shot a woman in her truck as she was taking her boys to school, the woman's two boys were also shot, and her two-year-old was injured by glass, she had been shot five times trying to shield her son who was in the front seat. She was trying to drive herself to the hospital which would be in my town, a heck of a long way to go, but she tried to flag four cars down to help to say she was shot. This is where it gets ugly.

I will copy and paste what happened, and I am ashamed to be in the same county as these lowlifes:
Continuing to drive though seriously injured, Phommathep said she
tried multiple times to flag down passersby but no one would help her.
She said one woman told her she was late to work so she couldn't help,
and kept driving. She then pleaded with another driver, who told her he
would help, but then drove off.
"I said 'I'm shot, can you help
me, my body's going numb, I can't drive anymore,' and he said, yes,
he'll make a U-turn, but he just sped off and it just broke my heart,"
she told the station, crying.
She said she stepped out of her
vehicle four times in total to try and stop four different people, none
of whom stopped to help her.
Eventually, she was able to flag down a sheriff's official responding to the elementary school, who called for ambulances.
"I used all the strength that I had and when I finally stopped the sheriff, I didn't have much strength to get out. I opened my door and told him to just check on my kids because no one was willing to help," she said.




The sheriff official who did stop I knew from work as I worked for the courthouse for 17 years. It was a horrific time for our little county. Six adults and six children were wounded that day. Five people were killed and also the gunman by the LE (law enforcement) in a shootout. By the Grace of God, the school was fast in getting it all locked down as it was early morning. And the teachers and school officials were the heroes there. All of the LE are the heroes to stop this guy and to call in for an ambulance for this poor woman. Good Lord, who does this to someone who's been shot not stop to help?

People are crazy. This man was, so were the four individuals who would not stop to help this woman, those four have to live with themselves and their shame.
Feb 15, 2018 7:50 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
raphael119
raphael119raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA19 Threads 3 Polls 5,181 Posts
What country has virtually stopped murder from guns!?!?!?? Japan. thumbs up
Feb 15, 2018 7:54 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
"If someone is hell bent on doing these things then nothing will stop them from finding the ways and means of doing so regardless of any laws or restrictions that are in place"

That is the point there. This law, the right to bear arm is to protect ourselves from the government. Not for hunting, not for any other reason but literally to protect us from our own government. So then why are the liberals trying to change this? Go figure.
Feb 15, 2018 7:55 PM CST Is gun control the solution to these unspeakable tragedies?
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
raphael119: What country has virtually stopped murder from guns!?!?!?? Japan.

Japan is a monolithic culture are you suggesting diversity is the cause of our gun violence?
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