Bohr vs Bohm (62)

Jan 26, 2019 7:01 PM CST Bohr vs Bohm
bodleing2: If things existed in and of themselves rather than dependently, everything would be isolated and unchanging and nothing would relate to anything. It is the illusion of the inherent existence of phenomena that Buddhist philosophy targets and its nonexistence is the meaning of the word emptiness.

This is one of our local scientists, teaching things that make a lot of sense to me...

I recommend watching the whole thing.

For your post, a look at what he's saying at 17:00 might interest you...


Nassim Haramein Black Whole (2011)
YouTube - 
Apr 8, 2013


If you watch this from 17:00 to 22:22, I'll bet you watch it all.

Jan 27, 2019 6:51 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
mykingdomforanam: This is one of our local scientists, teaching things that make a lot of sense to me...

I recommend watching the whole thing.

For your post, a look at what he's saying at 17:00 might interest you...


Nassim Haramein Black Whole (2011)
YouTube - 
Apr 8, 2013


If you watch this from 17:00 to 22:22, I'll bet you watch it all.

Thanks for that link, it's very interesting.
I watched the first 27 minutes and will certainly watch the rest when I have time to absorb it.
I took paticularly notice of the section you mentioned, in fact I've watched it 3 times this morning.
I love the bit where says, "who is this guy? They thought maybe I was going to say the word God in the Physics department."...laugh

Anyway further on he leads up to saying, there's no such thing as empty space, which within the boundaries of conventional truth, I think I understand what he means.
But, within Buddhist teachings, when we move on to ultimate truth, (in the part of the link i posted it only show a small section about conventional truth but goes on to compare it to ultimate truth,) the word 'emptiness' is woefully inadequate to explain emptiness, but it's the nearest we can get, within the confines of language. Emptiness is not something which can be described in words, more a realisation. I think I'm right in saying realisation of emptiness is the Holy Grail of all practising Buddhists.
From my limited understanding of emptiness it would seem that in video, rather than disproving the existence of emptiness in ultimate truth, Nassim is adding to its validity.
The term emptiness in Buddhism is misleading as it doesn't mean 'nothing' but rather NO THING.
This can be seen in the flame example in the link I posted. The flame is clearly not nothing, but it's no thing in its own right, existing from its own side, which Nassim also speaks about.

The more we examine the world around us, in particular our own self, the more likely we are able to realise that we are no thing, just the same as our realisation of the universe, or the infinite space within us.

Looking forward to the rest of the video.

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Jan 27, 2019 3:21 PM CST Bohr vs Bohm
bodleing2: Thanks for that link, it's very interesting.
I watched the first 27 minutes and will certainly watch the rest when I have time to absorb it.
I took paticularly notice of the section you mentioned, in fact I've watched it 3 times this morning.
I love the bit where says, "who is this guy? They thought maybe I was going to say the word God in the Physics department."...

Anyway further on he leads up to saying, there's no such thing as empty space, which within the boundaries of conventional truth, I think I understand what he means.
But, within Buddhist teachings, when we move on to ultimate truth, (in the part of the link i posted it only show a small section about conventional truth but goes on to compare it to ultimate truth,) the word 'emptiness' is woefully inadequate to explain emptiness, but it's the nearest we can get, within the confines of language. Emptiness is not something which can be described in words, more a realisation. I think I'm right in saying realisation of emptiness is the Holy Grail of all practising Buddhists.
From my limited understanding of emptiness it would seem that in video, rather than disproving the existence of emptiness in ultimate truth, Nassim is adding to its validity.
The term emptiness in Buddhism is misleading as it doesn't mean 'nothing' but rather NO THING.
This can be seen in the flame example in the link I posted. The flame is clearly not nothing, but it's no thing in its own right, existing from its own side, which Nassim also speaks about.

The more we examine the world around us, in particular our own self, the more likely we are able to realise that we are no thing, just the same as our realisation of the universe, or the infinite space within us.

Looking forward to the rest of the video.
Imaging a whole bunch of physicists who never thought of the question... is my favorite part of it too.

He goes on to explain that the vaccum of space is more dense than matter...

I thought you'd appreciate a view of a physicist who's studying the "emptiness" of space.
Jan 27, 2019 3:36 PM CST Bohr vs Bohm
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
mykingdomforanam: Imaging a whole bunch of physicists who never thought of the question... is my favorite part of it too.

He goes on to explain that the vaccum of space is more dense than matter...

I thought you'd appreciate a view of a physicist who's studying the "emptiness" of space.
Yes, it's clearly a reference to connectivity, cause and effect, another cornerstone of Buddhist philosophy.

And thanks, I do appreciate hearing his views.

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Jan 27, 2019 4:01 PM CST Bohr vs Bohm
bodleing2: Yes, it's clearly a reference to connectivity, cause and effect, another cornerstone of Buddhist philosophy.

And thanks, I do appreciate hearing his views.
A'ole pilikia,

I don't know how many times I've watched him explain his view of our universe.

I've been watching his videos for years.

They're all pretty much the same; but the longer ones have more information.

This one is the most recent I found on YouTube. He's older in it; and he's tightening up his points better.

If you like this one...

He did one at the Rouge River, in Oregon, with, "Rouge River" in the title, that goes on for over 8 hours.
Mar 5, 2019 4:55 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
I prefer to agree with Bohm because it leaves us somewhere left to go. Bohr is the understanding that there is nothing left to discover no new mode of thinking or perspective will arise it's back to the idea that the sun rotates aorund the earth, all of creation rotates around you and that is final.
Mar 5, 2019 5:31 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
I believe Bohr represents today's orthodoxy because of how we live. We do foolishly believe in the end of history and when you order something off ebay the parcel just arrives, you've not in reality summoned that parcel into existence but it feels more like you have. It's the new age of spiders webs and magic.
Mar 27, 2019 3:09 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
Jefke59
Jefke59Jefke59Gent, Oost Vlaanderen Belgium1 Threads 121 Posts
Niels Bohr and David Bohm are a generation apart.

Bohr and Einstein were from the same generation, differing only little in age. On some occasions they met, discussing quantum physics (Albert Einstein initially was skeptical about it) and relativity.

David Bohm wasn't even born as Albert Einstein published his general theory on relativity in 1912. In formulating his views, he could rely on the complete understanding of quantum mechanics as described by Erwin Schrödinger who was awarded the 1933 Physics Nobel Prize for that. It may have impressed and inspired David Bohm, who was a teenager at that time.
Mar 27, 2019 9:50 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
I met this guy, just before he left Hawaii...

He was telling me about a new math he discovered...

The other day I was thinking about meeting him; and his name popped up on a list of videos I was studying...

Have you heard of Marco Rodin's vortex math?

I've done some work with magnets and sacred geometry, and got voltage readings from magnets with overlapping flux fields....

I'm thinking his coil could magnify the current I got from two magnets in a vesica pices.






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Mar 27, 2019 10:06 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
mykingdomforanam: I met this guy, just before he left Hawaii...

He was telling me about a new math he discovered...

The other day I was thinking about meeting him; and his name popped up on a list of videos I was studying...

Have you heard of Marco Rodin's vortex math?

I've done some work with magnets and sacred geometry, and got voltage readings from magnets with overlapping flux fields....

I'm thinking his coil could magnify the current I got from two magnets in a vesica pices.






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An Introduction to the Rodin Coil and Vortex Based Mathematics (369)
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Jan 9, 2018
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Jan 10, 2018 · This math has no anomalies and shows the dimensional shape and ... Marko Rodin final conclusion was that all intelligence comes from a ...
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Feb 18, 2019 · “”As you begin to glide through this explanation of Marko Rodin's fantastic discoveries, please ...
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You see the repeating fractal expressing itself when these numbers repeat in the Rodin math. The ... More
its got some interesting patterns geometrically, which geometry is a major factor in the holofractal ... More
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still posting rubbish I seerolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Mar 27, 2019 10:35 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
pedro27: still posting rubbish I see
A bb in a box car makes noise too.

Tell us more about why Molly decided to dump you.
Mar 27, 2019 10:37 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
mykingdomforanam: A bb in a box car makes noise too.

Tell us more about why Molly decided to dump you.
why did you say I am going to hell the other day? that's why I am angry with you..!
Mar 27, 2019 10:39 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
Hey Bodleing, I posted that stuff on vortex math in response to you; but it looks like clicking quote on your post didn't work.
Mar 27, 2019 10:40 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
pedro27: why did you say I am going to hell the other day? that's why I am angry with you..!
No wonder why she dumped you.
Mar 27, 2019 11:01 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
mykingdomforanam: No wonder why she dumped you.
molly from cork?
Mar 27, 2019 11:13 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
pedro27: molly from cork?
You're not into quantum physics, are you?

Simple things go right over your head!

...and this thread isn't about your loser love life.
Mar 27, 2019 11:16 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
mykingdomforanam: You're not into quantum physics, are you?

Simple things go right over your head!

...and this thread isn't about your loser love life.
yes I discovered after 36 years alive, ''noting is solid''
Mar 27, 2019 11:35 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
The telegraph lines we used in the 1800's, were powered by the earth.

I think Tesla operated outside the laws of thermodynamics too.
Mar 27, 2019 11:51 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
I think God keeps everything going, the sun, stars, planets, us, the grand designer and up keeper
Mar 27, 2019 11:31 PM CST Bohr vs Bohm
pedro27: yes I discovered after 36 years alive, ''noting is solid''
At the top of this page?
Oct 10, 2020 6:12 PM CST Bohr vs Bohm
raphael119
raphael119raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA19 Threads 3 Polls 5,181 Posts
I like Schrodinger's cat, it meows but it smells like it's dead.
Oct 11, 2020 9:14 PM CST Bohr vs Bohm
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
I've never heard of this one before, but that's just another version of Schrodinger's cat isn't it? It's been over 20 years since I read anything about this so I'm very rusty on it...and have probably forgotten some reason why it's not..

Years ago I'd probably have agreed with Bohr regardless of what Einstein thought...Alex Friedman (if I've remembered his name correctly) was probably the one who would have come up with the answer if he'd lived even just a few more years longer...

At that level, things work in a very different way ...and how we understand the world to work is not necessarily reflected at that level.....

It's probably easier to understand if equated to the "if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it actually make a sound). Most would instantly think "of course"..but that's not the case...sound doesnt exist until the vibrations hit our ear drum..and our brains convert those vibrations into a sound..we don't hear in our ears, we hear in our brains..ditto our eyes and vision..so taking that concept then sure..who's to say something exists at the subatomic level unless it's actually been observed...

but, there are also problems with that..as at that level, the mere act of observation has an effect and could potentially alter it and it's position, location or even cause it to change state...

Einstein was defniitely a genius but he really played the hokey pokey with his cosmological constant...in out in out shake it all about...I think that's where he hit the limit of his ability to be honest...I used to wonder if Friedman lived would he have made sense of it all..so that's probably why I would be less inclined to go with Einstein..

I'd stopped reading this stuff about 20 years ago...since then they've discovered things like the Higgs Field , Higgs Boson, dark matter and dark energy..and they stil haven't solved the expansion rate of the universe that I was particularly interested in....but all by the by now..and in the past...still it's a fascinating world down there in quarkdom isn't it?

What's your view mykingdomforanan anyway?
Oct 11, 2020 9:30 PM CST Bohr vs Bohm
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
bodleing2:
Anyway further on he leads up to saying, there's no such thing as empty space, which within the boundaries of conventional truth, I think I understand what he means.
yeh space is far from empty...very far indeed...Space's nothingness is packed full..of particles, light ,the CMB and energy, it's a very busy space is is space lol...

. I used to work somewhere that needed as pure a vacuum as we could get. It's extremely difficult to "empty" a space to the point that it's actually empty, in fact a pure vacuum is (purists would argue) an impossibility.
Oct 12, 2020 8:57 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
blathin: I've never heard of this one before, but that's just another version of Schrodinger's cat isn't it? It's been over 20 years since I read anything about this so I'm very rusty on it...and have probably forgotten some reason why it's not..

Years ago I'd probably have agreed with Bohr regardless of what Einstein thought...Alex Friedman (if I've remembered his name correctly) was probably the one who would have come up with the answer if he'd lived even just a few more years longer...

At that level, things work in a very different way ...and how we understand the world to work is not necessarily reflected at that level.....

It's probably easier to understand if equated to the "if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it actually make a sound). Most would instantly think "of course"..but that's not the case...sound doesnt exist until the vibrations hit our ear drum..and our brains convert those vibrations into a sound..we don't hear in our ears, we hear in our brains..ditto our eyes and vision..so taking that concept then sure..who's to say something exists at the subatomic level unless it's actually been observed...

but, there are also problems with that..as at that level, the mere act of observation has an effect and could potentially alter it and it's position, location or even cause it to change state...

Einstein was defniitely a genius but he really played the hokey pokey with his cosmological constant...in out in out shake it all about...I think that's where he hit the limit of his ability to be honest...I used to wonder if Friedman lived would he have made sense of it all..so that's probably why I would be less inclined to go with Einstein..

I'd stopped reading this stuff about 20 years ago...since then they've discovered things like the Higgs Field , Higgs Boson, dark matter and dark energy..and they stil haven't solved the expansion rate of the universe that I was particularly interested in....but all by the by now..and in the past...still it's a fascinating world down there in quarkdom isn't it?

What's your view mykingdomforanan anyway?
I remember asking a Buddhist nun about the tree in the forest many years ago. She answered with a wry smile, "no, because the forest doesn't exist." It gave me food for thought.

confused
Oct 12, 2020 9:00 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
bodleing2: I remember asking a Buddhist nun about the tree in the forest many years ago. She answered with a wry smile, "no, because the forest doesn't exist." It gave me food for thought.
laugh that's what you get for asking a nun laugh laugh laugh (convent educated girl here)
Oct 12, 2020 9:13 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
blathin: that's what you get for asking a nun (convent educated girl here)
There's quite a difference between a Buddhist nun and a Christian nun. One believes in a higher power, a deity, the other dismisses that out of hand.
It took me quite sometime to understand what she meant, but it runs along similar lines to your observation about sound waves and no human ear around to decipher them.
Oct 12, 2020 9:29 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
blathin
blathinblathinGlasgow, Central, Scotland UK3,125 Posts
bodleing2: There's quite a difference between a Buddhist nun and a Christian nun. One believes in a higher power, a deity, the other dismisses that out of hand.
It took me quite sometime to understand what she meant, but it runs along similar lines to your observation about sound waves and no human ear around to decipher them.
I know Bod..I was just messin'....
Oct 12, 2020 9:34 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
I know a guy Hans Böhm, he is a 'famous' dutch chessplayer who has a good voice for radio and television. But his elo-rating is about 2200 where the worldtop has about 2850 so, he's far from world top, but he seems to think different and he doesn't do anything if you don't pay him 3000 euro for an hour. He's just an arsehole.
Oct 12, 2020 9:35 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
3000 must be 300, still he's an arsehole.
Oct 12, 2020 9:37 AM CST Bohr vs Bohm
bodleing2
bodleing2bodleing2Manchester, Greater Manchester, England UK84 Threads 6,132 Posts
blathin: I know Bod..I was just messin'....
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me too.......grin



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