Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic? ( Archived) (13)

Mar 24, 2019 9:55 PM CSTDo you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
LeeCharming
LeeCharmingLeeCharmingCardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales, UK537 Threads 273 Polls 6,941 Posts

Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?(Vote Below)

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Is democratic
8
27%
Was democratic
3
10%
Never was democratic
9
30%
Never will be democratic
10
33%
Total Votes
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Mar 24, 2019 11:11 PM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
Kaylana04
Kaylana04Kaylana04Kekava, Riga Latvia16 Threads 635 Posts
I know this will split hairs with some people here, but America is a Republic - not a Democracy.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America,

and to the Republic for which it stands..."
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Mar 25, 2019 8:04 AM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
CossackCat
CossackCatCossackCatSomewhere, Maryland USA492 Threads 45 Polls 9,137 Posts
Kaylana04: Hey Cossack!!

I'm reading the book "The Americanization of Benjamin Franklin" by Gordon S. Wood.
It reveals how he was a staunch royalist who tried to get the Crown to take more control of the Colonies... but then late in his life realizes his mistakes and becomes the oldest of the Founding Fathers.

It has caused me to look at my own character and see where I am truly American.
Living abroad has also shaped my perspective.
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Wow.. and I thought it was just a rumor about Franklin. Thank God he seen the light!. Our system is truely unique.

Thanks for the info about the book. I love heart1 Franklin quotes. Especially the down to earth, honest, simplicity of them. (Some fore fathers are really long winded. Brilliant but.. whoa..) Some of Franklin's quotes are quite comical
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Mar 25, 2019 9:40 AM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
It's a republic and a republic is the will of the people according to the opinion of an educated class whose say is worth more than yours. China is also a republic. Trump didn't win the popular vote but he won anyway because the system is rigged to devalue the vote of commoners. Meritocracy is not democracy although being undemocratic does not necessarily entail merit..
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Mar 25, 2019 10:10 AM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
And I say in the whole for a reason. I feel a whole lot differently about local voting, there are times and issues where the average man being overruled by the intelligent or by someone in a greater position of responsibility isn't the right thing to do.
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Mar 25, 2019 10:13 AM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
methuzelah
methuzelahmethuzelahTampa, Florida USA296 Threads 1,633 Posts
the US constitution was written for WHITES ONLY

Native Americans, and Blacks were left out of it.
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Mar 25, 2019 10:17 AM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
methuzelah
methuzelahmethuzelahTampa, Florida USA296 Threads 1,633 Posts
methuzelah: the US constitution was written for WHITES ONLY

Native Americans, and Blacks were left out of it.
US still for whites only.
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Mar 25, 2019 10:36 AM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
I would say America always had a strong middle class because of the landgrab and later the world wars, that's what the republic stands on: Property-ownership and ease of opportunity. Security being easy to come by is why America didn't end up with a strongman leader. But that 300 year window where it was easier to be an American than anybody else is coming to a close.
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Mar 28, 2019 6:06 PM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
The USA is, for the most part, as democratic as any other democratic country. That is, a cabal of political parties control the country, and money buys influence. Just the same as in any other democratic country.

There are some differences though. The one that leaps to mind is that a non-elected body (the Supreme Court) can over-rule Congress, the Senate, and the President. This is clearly undemocratic.
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Mar 28, 2019 7:55 PM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
methuzelah: US still for whites only.
thats a crock of doodoo thumbs down
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Mar 28, 2019 8:26 PM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
Most people in America, didn't get to vote, until they were reduced to a minority.

Now "American's" want to subject them and the lousy reservations they received, to democracy.

Most of America's labour for the first hundred years, was done be people who weren't allowed to vote.

Our Cocaine Import Agency, overthrows democracies.

In 2016, 304 people managed to out-vote 2.8 million...

Nope.

We've never been a democratic nation.

Not for 1 second.
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Mar 29, 2019 5:58 AM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
mykingdomforanam: Most people in America, didn't get to vote, until they were reduced to a minority.

"In 2016, 304 people managed to out-vote 2.8 million..."

Nope.

We've never been a democratic nation.

Not for 1 second.
Sounds like you agree with me that the Electoral College has outlived its usefulness and should be scrapped. *1 citizen-one vote*
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Mar 29, 2019 7:31 AM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
ooby_dooby: Sounds like you agree with me that the Electoral College has outlived its usefulness and should be scrapped. *1 citizen-one vote*
we in ohio vote for who we want to be elected president the primary election. one citizen - one vote.. the democrats even use votes then from the unborn and the deceased.
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Mar 29, 2019 3:25 PM CST Do you think - America - is, was, never was, or never will be democratic?
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
galrads: . the democrats even use votes then from the unborn and the deceased.
As the Democrats move further and further to the loony left, they are rapidly conflating the two.......
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