does everything change ? ( Archived) (65)

It’s possible for change not to be unchanging and is in fact immensely similar evolving to a point where nothing happens at all at the end of the universe. Literally the more things change the more they stay the same.

well thats one fact that then wouldnt change...,

but im sure that there are many more things.

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i was wondering what other examples folk might have, ..in poll.

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ex. ....facts in themselves dont change, and there are many of them.

ex.... as long as person is alive they breath the air.
as long as they are dead they dont.

that 2 other fact,s ,situation , doesnt change.

so, .... although , also , its not a tangible thing. (that knowledge side of things )
it is as it is a constant fact.

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so, there is lots of things. (physical and metaphysical) that never change.

Unlikely, I'm afraid.

More likely it ends....that's it....over...nothing.

Every physical thing is in a constant state of flux, ever changing, even diamonds are not really forever.

This also includes

" Every smell, taste, feeling in the body, sound, sight, and thought. These experiences come and go, and are unstable even when they seem to be permanent."

Every physical thing is in a constant state of flux, ever changing, even diamonds are not really forever.

This also includes

" Every smell, taste, feeling in the body, sound, sight, and thought. These experiences come and go, and are unstable even when they seem to be permanent."

Every physical thing is in a constant state of flux, ever changing, even diamonds are not really forever.

This also includes

" Every smell, taste, feeling in the body, sound, sight, and thought. These experiences come and go, and are unstable even when they seem to be permanent."[

sure physical things are in flux, ( they have a lifespan also)

yet, they are constant for their period of time. (albeit immeasurable /measurable to us )
re our tools of perception. ..me thinks. (because something is both changing and changes into something,)

they are in CONSTANT change ....then be no more as former self alters to anew.

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regards... every physical thing. you mentioned thought. is thought /mind physical ?..to you. ?

re senses.....what are they really. ? sure they detect stuff .
yet, an image of say...a deer .
you may forget it , see another image ,
you might say the former image has gone.
yet, it hasnt changed.
its just gone out of your mind.
that image is the same as always.
you might recall it again.
so, even if its gone ..it certainly hasnt changed into anything.

theres also , a big difference between physical and non physical stuff.

thought n mind to me is not a physical thing.
the brain is.

but thats another story.

No, thought or mind is not physical, unlike the brain which is.

But whose to say just what exactly is mind, it can't be observed, measured, or for that matter located.
Maybe mind is eternal, Hindus certainly believe the soul is.

yet, it can be known.


i think the mind is separate from the body. (as result of o.b.e ..out body experience...i had as teen. )

the body..brain.. and mind have influence on each other, but are separate....me thinks.

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its kinda like ,

the scent comes via the flower ,
then, goes off separate , on its own way.
as a scent.
yet its not the flower.
never was,
but, the flower does not come from the scent
yet the potential is in the seed.
but, the seed need the fertile soil.
and that needs to exist also.
many who experience the scent elsewhere
have no thoughts of whence it came
perhaps only its travel in the wind.
yet , ..the flower itself could be withered away and gone.
but, the scent remains
kinda like the mind.
but the mind is eternal.
remaining after the body is no more.

Yes, it's called 'connectivity' one of the fundamentals of Buddhist philosophy.

i must read up on buddhist philosophy .
i havnt read it yet,

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i read about various greek philosophers, socrates and others, and some of the pre-socratics . thales and others,/ .

socrates said, to the effect .... to find yourself , think for yourself.

i would certainly agree with that, otherwise , a person would only see themselves as others saw them....which is to great degree not who they are at all .
in his own case , those responsible for his death , saw him for what he was not.

re soul , (he said , thats our true nature)

he had lots of sayings and ideas i like , and agree with.
he also said to the effect ....that it is better to recieve an injustice rather than carry out one. because in carrying out injustice we damage the soul , when we recieve one its not our soul thats damaged.

it is said that he left no writings or records of his works, others that associated with him wrote stuff about him. neverthless, he is dead and gone, yet his ideas live on. and are known . = kinda like aspects of his mind .

hi selenite.

i suppose thats what happens when one tries to explain the as yet unexplainable , with words that are inadequate.

the mind searches for yet another route .

still to no avail.

yet,

no surrender .

the outcome of what folk do has also more to do with factors outside of self . from the functing of self , beat of heart, to the fact that when they are going from A to B, nobody car etc go out of control and knock them down. to fact that roads , paths , workplace, houses etc ..are in place. one can get airborne virus etc , render brain defunct. there are million of factors involved both inside and outside of people , that they have nothing to do with ,..thats involved ...even thinking of what to do....and its outcome.

its like i might decide now to go for walk in park tomorow. thats a result of stuff i have nothing to do with. (my beating heart, my nervous system, brain function, etc) also, tommorrow has to come , (i have no say in that ) then loads of stuff will have to happen (i also have no say in ) hopefully the destiny is still there. not in flames. hopefully a slate wont blow off a roof and put an end to my plans. there are numerous factors that have to happen , to many to mention..., all outside my control.
down to fate n chance etc ..that i take no credit for if my visit to the park is successful.
all i do is plan to go there.....the rest is up to chance. fate , others , environ , etc.
many more factors than me merely choosing to do something. even workings /complexities of brain function ...to enable to decide anything.
maybe tommorow will never come.....or....i pass away in my sleep.

if it does and the trip is successful ....i thank god.....other factors , nothing to do with me much. i only decide what i like do.

yes, folk do stuff regardless what it is , and they along with consequences of action are always in state of change. in addition to stuff around them. change happens anyway just by virtue of birth and environment. in that state then there are numerous other changes going on outside of self , which is causing changes within, these are things we have no say whatsoever in. .that the way it is. = period.

so some things never change.

and although change is ongoing and necessary,
thank goodness EVERYTHING doesnt change.


if the planets go out of control overnight , we will all be goners.

still we do have some tiny , weeney , tweeny , say in stuff ..even its given us.


so, just hoping for the best , that all work out ok.

and if its raining im not going to park at all.
so its down to the weather.

now that concept is gone into my mind, ....i await the results.

maybe tomorrow i will wake up with all resistance dematerialised, and a freeflow of ideas that lead to enlightenment.


elvis had a good song about surrender.
ie, o my darling please surrender to me...lyrics
he must have been looking for a dematerialising of her resistance.

But it was his intense longing that was creating her resistance...
If he'd surrendered to the moment instead of generating energy through his expectations or longing she would have nothing to resist against so he would meet with no resistance and she would have surrendered





no longing.
no expections.
no energy. ........ (is he dead )


kinda synchronized surrender.
then they have their moments
in the moment ,
and they all live happily ever after.
for the moment.