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Oct 20, 2020 3:59 AM CSTCovid Question - Masks.
ElysianFields
ElysianFieldsElysianFieldsValletta, Gozo, Malta46 Threads 3 Polls 312 Posts

Covid Question - Masks.(Vote Below)

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It's very simple - do masks help in the prevention of spreading and/or acquiring the virus?

dunno
Oct 20, 2020 4:07 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
blathin
blathinblathinMayo, Ireland1,887 Posts
It's not rocket science, or difficult. Wear a mask, social distance and stay away from crowds.. sigh
Oct 20, 2020 2:19 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
If they didn't work, why do Asian countries adhere to them? Problem is what mask. Best the army found is one made of micro-fiber cleaning cloth, that is electrostatic. Next are the med ones. Now gaters are thought to be good if heavy enough. Maybe even better. I bought one, hung a micro cloth liner and then a cupped part of mico cloth inside that. Buff, brand..not the dollar cheapy. Next is multi layered of fabric you can't see tons of hole in. Worst is the idiot who ties a hanky over his face hanging loose. Fit matters.

I had to go to the dentist and then 2 stores. Lucky, no covid. Changed masks between stops. We don't really have much other we can do. And this virus is not a joke or a sniffle.
Besides, Arabian women have worn masks like in the Arabian Nights and been considered mysterious and sexy. Nothing like a veil to intrigue.
Saw a joke long ago in Playboy. Guy is at nudist colony. Walks up to a naked lady and she has a band-aide on her shoulder. He asks sheepishly, could I peek under your band-aide?doh
Oct 20, 2020 2:22 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Mercedes_00
Mercedes_00Mercedes_00Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 22,376 Posts
They help stop community spread..You only have to look at the USA & those countries using politics to know the facts.
Oct 20, 2020 2:51 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
They say the problem is people who think it is all bogus or silly to worry. My boarder works at a fast food. It's a tourist town. Every fast food is drive through only. Sign says so. Still people come to the door and yank on it. So someone goes and tells them no. The other day, a gal comes to door. Well..what can't I come in?! I just drove my Fed Ex truck up from Florida and I want in!very mad NO! She got huffy and said you all need to get over this virus crap. I hope she had fun going restaurant to restaurant and finding them all locked tight. This is Wisconsin rules, not Florida. And also smart rules to protect staff.
Oct 20, 2020 3:01 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
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Can anyone explain where 37,000 deaths (flu and pneumonia combined ) have disappeared to this year ?
Oct 20, 2020 3:06 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Dedovix: Can anyone explain where 37,000 deaths (flu and pneumonia combined ) have disappeared to this year ?
I have to admit I was waiting for such worldwide (official) figures to be released in order to compare deaths this year to previous years including Covid…
Oct 20, 2020 3:28 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
blathin
blathinblathinMayo, Ireland1,887 Posts
Dedovix: Can anyone explain where 37,000 deaths (flu and pneumonia combined ) have disappeared to this year ?
Seriously? You actually can't work that one out for yourself?? doh
Oct 20, 2020 3:32 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Mercedes_00
Mercedes_00Mercedes_00Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 22,376 Posts
No good comparing this virus with the flu...How about you listen to those who were once healthy and who now have heart problems..Not all cases have symptoms of the flu Dev..The flu doesn't play bloody havoc with all your organs.

Dev please do me a favour...I want people who think like you to deliberately get the virus..In other words put up or shut up.
Oct 20, 2020 3:34 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
blathin: Seriously? You actually can't work that one out for yourself??
enlighten me
Oct 20, 2020 3:41 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Mercedes_00
Mercedes_00Mercedes_00Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 22,376 Posts
One other thing..If your good at numbers which the Republicans certainly ain't..Covid in the USA has killed more bloody people than the flu in the last five years.

I'm just so over dumb shits..Just toothless bloody hillbillies.
Oct 20, 2020 3:42 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Mercedes_00: No good comparing this virus with the flu...How about you listen to those who were once healthy and who now have heart problems..Not all cases have symptoms of the flu Dev..The flu doesn't play bloody havoc with all your organs.

Dev please do me a favour...I want people who think like you to deliberately get the virus..In other words put up or shut up.
in can tell you about , people that i know personally , who were either offered or given a bribe to agree that in the death certificate of their relatives stands as the cause of death covid 19
They payoff is 700 euros,which is the amount of two average salary`s

And we`re not dealing here with a Virus ,but with a project - tho the virus was man made and realised in public, its not what is killing us - the so called Virus is just a cover story
Oct 20, 2020 3:44 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Mercedes_00: One other thing..If your good at numbers which the Republicans certainly ain't..Covid in the USA has killed more bloody people than the flu in the last five years.

I'm just so over dumb shits..Just toothless bloody hillbillies.
kinda hard to do the math when autopsies are not performed
Oct 20, 2020 3:55 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Even the CDC said it... a leftist entity.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had other contributing conditions. According to the report, only 6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had other “health conditions and contributing causes.

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Other facts to consider:

Nursing home residents make up nearly 65% of all state COVID-19 deaths. Mostly in Democrat-controlled districts with neglected and poor Health Care. After 8 years in power Obama, Biden and Clinton didn't even replenish national medical supplies ( PPEs. ventilators, etc )... in less than 3 months Trump replenished everything 10 times over although he was being harassed by lies, coups, and false impeachment from Nancy Pelosi's corrupt Congress for the last 4 years nonstop. The US has a population of 328 million with a Death Rate at a steady 2.8%... the UK with 5 times fewer people will soon be over 9% and getting worse with more stage 5 levels coming with no sign of herd immunity.

You have no case.
Oct 21, 2020 9:19 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
ChesneyChristonline today!
ChesneyChristonline today!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,958 Posts
Help in the sense that people go out less in general. And a few might die of anxiety instead. It's making you feel more safe based upon the undoing of the world.
Oct 21, 2020 9:31 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
ChesneyChristonline today!
ChesneyChristonline today!ChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,958 Posts
ChesneyChrist: Help in the sense that people go out less in general. And a few might die of anxiety instead. It's making you feel more safe based upon the undoing of the world.
Placating fear by making society look like fear. Your own protection gained from scaring the shit out of others. Protects you but probably not in the way you thought.

Oct 21, 2020 10:24 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
GeneralBeacon: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had other contributing conditions. According to the report, only 6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had other “health conditions and contributing causes.
You're misrepresenting the information, confusing 'cause' with 'mechanism'.

People do not magically drop dead from picking up the virus.

The virus causes disease.

If I have cystic fibrosis, become infected with covid, develop respiratory disease and die, covid is the cause of death, respiratory disease the mechanism.

The cystic fibrosis will have left me more vulnerable to dying from disease caused by covid infection, but without the covid infection I'd still be alive at this point in time.

Cystic fibrosis is not the cause of death.

Everyone who dies as a result of covid will have a disease mechanism - respiratory disease, organ failure, blood clots, etc. That does not mean a death caused by covid should be registered according to the mechanism alone if covid set off the train of catastrophic health events.

The single major mechanism of death in cancer patients is infection and infection is a contributory factor in the majority of cancer deaths. We don't pretend those infections had nothing to do with the cancer, nor that cancer doesn't exist.
Oct 21, 2020 10:27 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
ElysianFields
ElysianFieldsElysianFieldsValletta, Gozo Malta46 Threads 3 Polls 312 Posts
GeneralBeacon: Even the CDC said it... a leftist entity.
You have no case.
What was the case? It was a poll, not a case. Your statement belies your agenda.

Just answer the fukn poll man and cut the diatribe. We've heard it all before. .
Oct 21, 2020 10:36 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
jac_the_gripper: You're misrepresenting the information, confusing 'cause' with 'mechanism'.

People do not magically drop dead from picking up the virus.

The virus causes disease.

If I have cystic fibrosis, become infected with covid, develop respiratory disease and die, covid is the cause of death, respiratory disease the mechanism.

The cystic fibrosis will have left me more vulnerable to dying from disease caused by covid infection, but without the covid infection I'd still be alive at this point in time.

Cystic fibrosis is not the cause of death.

Everyone who dies as a result of covid will have a disease mechanism - respiratory disease, organ failure, blood clots, etc. That does not mean a death caused by covid should be registered according to the mechanism alone if covid set off the train of catastrophic health events.

The single major mechanism of death in cancer patients is infection and infection is a contributory factor in the majority of cancer deaths. We don't pretend those infections had nothing to do with the cancer, nor that cancer doesn't exist.
I'm with you on that one Jac ...

I think some cases have been registered as "covid deaths" were when the person had tested positive to covid but died from a totally unrelated cause like for instance a car crash ... A bit of an extreme example, but I understand that's what the discussion is about on the subject of "unrelated deaths" registered as Covid deaths ... I have read about doctors who know their patient has passed from a completely unconnected cause to Covid being asked to put covid on their death certificate ... There are currently court cases about exactly that at the moment according to info I've rea over the last few months...

I might have misunderstood dunno
Oct 21, 2020 10:41 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
ElysianFields
ElysianFieldsElysianFieldsValletta, Gozo Malta46 Threads 3 Polls 312 Posts
jac_the_gripper: You're misrepresenting the information, confusing 'cause' with 'mechanism'.

People do not magically drop dead from picking up the virus.

The virus causes disease.

If I have cystic fibrosis, become infected with covid, develop respiratory disease and die, covid is the cause of death, respiratory disease the mechanism.

The cystic fibrosis will have left me more vulnerable to dying from disease caused by covid infection, but without the covid infection I'd still be alive at this point in time.

Cystic fibrosis is not the cause of death.

Everyone who dies as a result of covid will have a disease mechanism - respiratory disease, organ failure, blood clots, etc. That does not mean a death caused by covid should be registered according to the mechanism alone if covid set off the train of catastrophic health events.

The single major mechanism of death in cancer patients is infection and infection is a contributory factor in the majority of cancer deaths. We don't pretend those infections had nothing to do with the cancer, nor that cancer doesn't exist.
Thank you Jac, for this explanation, it covers all the bases. If you cannot grasp the concept that Covid-19 is the accelerator, the catalyst, the straw that breaks the camel's back, and is therefore listed as the 'cause of death' then....then you are probably a republican, a Trump supporter, live in the southern states, still eat grits at McDonalds, and should rather be ploughing the lower forty instead of wasting your time on CS. I know it's a stretch to get your head around a complex subject, but modern life demands it of you. The fact that you remain a voter exposes the Achilles heel of democracy. The rest of us have to live with that reality.
Oct 21, 2020 10:57 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Dedovix: enlighten me
'Flu season peaks between December and February in the UK. It can begin in October and run until May.

The last 'flu season in the UK officially ran from 1st October 2019 to 4th April 2020; the first covid infection was recorded in late January.

Given the pandemic largely missed the last 'flu season, a whole year's data with respect to deaths will give a more accurate picture of the increased deaths due to covid.

However, lockdowns, self-isolating, quarantining, unemployment, social distancing, masks and hand washing/increased hygiene will likely effect the transmission of 'flu in the coming season as well as covid.

To suggest that an absence of 'flu deaths largely out of 'flu season accounts for the covid deaths which are really 'flu, and without including the upcoming 'flu season beginning in 2020 is a leap of logic.
Oct 21, 2020 11:14 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Okay folks, seems you really need a sedagive


Do you know that due to the speed in the production and procurement of vaccines against coronavirus and the uncertainty about the nature of vaccines, citizens are asking the European Commission for additional information?
Did you know that European GMO laws have been relaxed because of that vaccine?

Did you know that a test that detects coronavirus infection can be positive without you being infected, and that it is not clear that it proves the presence of coronavirus at all?
Did you know that almost everyone who is officially listed as having died of coronavirus during this year, actually died due to their other illnesses and old age?
Do you know that in all countries in the region, the number of deaths during this year is equal to the number of deaths from previous years, and that in that sense the situation is quite normal?

Did you know that autopsies by the competent institutions are discouraged from the beginning and the results of those performed do not fit into the typical picture of deaths from viral diseases?
Did you know that at the height of coronary heart disease crisis, hospitals gaped half-empty?



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Oct 21, 2020 11:22 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
jac_the_gripper: 'Flu season peaks between December and February in the UK. It can begin in October and run until May.

The last 'flu season in the UK officially ran from 1st October 2019 to 4th April 2020; the first covid infection was recorded in late January.

Given the pandemic largely missed the last 'flu season, a whole year's data with respect to deaths will give a more accurate picture of the increased deaths due to covid.

However, lockdowns, self-isolating, quarantining, unemployment, social distancing, masks and hand washing/increased hygiene will likely effect the transmission of 'flu in the coming season as well as covid.

To suggest that an absence of 'flu deaths largely out of 'flu season accounts for the covid deaths which are really 'flu, and without including the upcoming 'flu season beginning in 2020 is a leap of logic.
Jac the number of deceased during the period of 12 months for the last 5 years has not dramatically changed
therefore there was no reason to declare it as a epidemic - les than 12 percent of affected, nor to declare a pandemic thus it was unconstitutional , inhuman , to have healthy people quarantined - in my country we were not only quarantined, but police hour was introduced - more than 80 hours of sitting at home , all stores were closed except pharmacies , groceries and fuel pumps- yest we had to pay all bills tho no salary , no income .
Oct 21, 2020 11:43 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
jac_the_gripper: 'Flu season peaks between December and February in the UK. It can begin in October and run until May.

The last 'flu season in the UK officially ran from 1st October 2019 to 4th April 2020; the first covid infection was recorded in late January.

Given the pandemic largely missed the last 'flu season, a whole year's data with respect to deaths will give a more accurate picture of the increased deaths due to covid.

However, lockdowns, self-isolating, quarantining, unemployment, social distancing, masks and hand washing/increased hygiene will likely effect the transmission of 'flu in the coming season as well as covid.

To suggest that an absence of 'flu deaths largely out of 'flu season accounts for the covid deaths which are really 'flu, and without including the upcoming 'flu season beginning in 2020 is a leap of logic.
Yes I shall be very inrested in those figures when they are released ...

Off on a tangent ... Should deaths by suicide due to people's lives being ruined and depression because of lockdown be classed as Covid deaths?

And what about all the cancer patients who didn't receive their treatments because of Covid? Should they also be classed as Covid deaths?

dunno
Oct 21, 2020 11:48 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
ElysianFields
ElysianFieldsElysianFieldsValletta, Gozo Malta46 Threads 3 Polls 312 Posts
Selenite: Yes I shall be very inrested in those figures when they are released ...

Off on a tangent ... Should deaths by suicide due to people's lives being ruined and depression because of lockdown be classed as Covid deaths?

And what about all the cancer patients who didn't receive their treatments because of Covid? Should they also be classed as Covid deaths?
Clearly no. Why - because they organically, on an infectious, bioligical level, never caused the death. To claim otherwise is like saying suicide is caused by depression and intoxication by alcohol.
Oct 21, 2020 11:49 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Dedovix: Jac the number of deceased during the period of 12 months for the last 5 years has not dramatically changed
therefore there was no reason to declare it as a epidemic - les than 12 percent of affected, nor to declare a pandemic thus it was unconstitutional , inhuman , to have healthy people quarantined - in my country we were not only quarantined, but police hour was introduced - more than 80 hours of sitting at home , all stores were closed except pharmacies , groceries and fuel pumps- yest we had to pay all bills tho no salary , no income .


Same here ...
+ not allowed 2 people in car unless an emergency..
+ not allowed to drive out of own town unless emergency ...
+ not allowed to walk dog more than 500m from home ...
Everything closed down from March to mid May and then only eased off the "closed down" a little ...
Oct 21, 2020 11:53 AM CST Covid Question - Masks.
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Oct 21, 2020 12:06 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
ElysianFields
ElysianFieldsElysianFieldsValletta, Gozo Malta46 Threads 3 Polls 312 Posts
Desperate smear attempt? Clutching at straws?

Oh, it's the downfall of the south all over agin...Richmond is burning mate....it's all over.

Life is like a box of chocolates. And then you lose....




rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing doh
Oct 21, 2020 12:10 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Selenite: I'm with you on that one Jac ...

I think some cases have been registered as "covid deaths" were when the person had tested positive to covid but died from a totally unrelated cause like for instance a car crash ... A bit of an extreme example, but I understand that's what the discussion is about on the subject of "unrelated deaths" registered as Covid deaths ... I have read about doctors who know their patient has passed from a completely unconnected cause to Covid being asked to put covid on their death certificate ... There are currently court cases about exactly that at the moment according to info I've rea over the last few months...

I might have misunderstood
I think there are perhaps a number of things going on and I have a few suggestions.

As above, some may refute the cause of death. Your extreme example may not be that extreme - what if someone has a catastrophic event due to covid infection whilst driving? I've heard many reports saying hospital patients, I think particularly young people, can be fine one minute and then suddenly become critical. Might that sort of scenario be contested in court? dunno

There have been other suggestions that healthcare gains extra funding for each covid related death. That doesn't necessarily mean obviously unrelated deaths are being recorded fraudulently, but perhaps like Mendel's peas there is an incentive to record unclear cases as definitely being covid related.

How much is the 'person shot in the head recorded as a covid death' scenario misinformation, propaganda, or 'Chinese whispers'? Are genuine fraudulent claims being blown out of proportion, like the insignificant historical incidence of voter fraud being used to suppress voting by mail in the US?

Here in the UK about 5,000 cases were taken off our covid death toll with the introduction of new guidelines: people have to die within 28 days of a positive test for covid to cited on the death certificate. Given the growing information about us long haulers, not to mention the people who hold on in ICU for months, is it possible that covid related deaths are under recorded? How about those who die at home without ever having had a test?

I was ill in April, I contacted the NHS online and followed the instructions according to the symptoms I had. I have no doubt that I had covid, the instructions I followed were as if I had covid, but I have not seen a healthcare professional and I have not been tested. My illness, like so many other people's, won't be recorded in the statistics as a result.

I suspect that it's possible that some deaths are recorded as covid related when they are not, some are not recorded as covid related when they are, they may cancel each other out, or there may be a skew in one direction. This could be due to the novelty of the virus, pandemic conditions and muddling our way through.

However, given Trump's attitude of 'testing makes me look bad', China's government possibly not wanting to 'lose face' and a general tendency of leaders/governments wanting to retain power, my money is on under, rather than over reporting.
Oct 21, 2020 12:19 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
Dedovix: Can anyone explain where 37,000 deaths (flu and pneumonia combined ) have disappeared to this year ?
Coronavirus has killed 122 times more people than the flu already this year, new figures show.


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Oct 21, 2020 12:19 PM CST Covid Question - Masks.
ElysianFields: Desperate smear attempt? Clutching at straws?

Oh, it's the downfall of the south all over agin...Richmond is burning mate....it's all over.

Life is like a box of chocolates. And then you lose....
Give it up, EF.. These women aren't gonna give you any, no matter how much you act like their little bisch... JS... laugh

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