I’ve written about this before. People are not able to forgive. It’s a wonderful ideal, and makes a charming, heart-warming bedtime story. Doesn’t happen. Not in the truest sense of the actual meaning. Saying “she wrecked my life, but I forgive her” is an oxymoron. Saying “I can forgive but I can’t forget” is just another way of saying “I don’t/can’t forgive”. There’s no blame or judgment here: it’s the way it is.
“Nobody ever forgets where he buried a hatchet”—-Josh Billings
One can learn to get along, be kind and polite, all those fine things, but always, always, in the back of the mind, is that haunting, warning: that person did me wrong and I can’t trust them anymore.
Cavalero: Forgive, definitely. Forget... well, I do have a bad short-term memory.
I agree that it is good to strive for it, like many other intangible ideals. But....look at it this way: say you DO convince yourself that you’ve forgiven someone. And, theoretically, you DO. All’s right with the world - God is in His heaven, and so on...THEN, they do you wrong AGAIN. The first offense comes back to mind full tilt. Why, what happened to the forgiveness?? Do you really think people will think or say, “Well, the slate was clean, we start fresh on a new forgive”. Not so much...
rohaan: I agree that it is good to strive for it, like many other intangible ideals. But....look at it this way: say you DO convince yourself that you’ve forgiven someone. And, theoretically, you DO. All’s right with the world - God is in His heaven, and so on...THEN, they do you wrong AGAIN. The first offense comes back to mind full tilt. Why, what happened to the forgiveness?? Do you really think people will think or say, “Well, the slate was clean, we start fresh on a new forgive”. Not so much...
rohaan: I agree that it is good to strive for it, like many other intangible ideals. But....look at it this way: say you DO convince yourself that you’ve forgiven someone. And, theoretically, you DO. All’s right with the world - God is in His heaven, and so on...THEN, they do you wrong AGAIN. The first offense comes back to mind full tilt. Why, what happened to the forgiveness?? Do you really think people will think or say, “Well, the slate was clean, we start fresh on a new forgive”. Not so much...
I understand what you're saying and it makes perfect sense but really it all depends on the infraction and the person's ability to let it go. It's easier to forgive a brother or sister than it is a stranger. It's easier to forgive something that didn't cause great harm physically or financially. I don't if you've ever got into a physical fight with another man over some insult or misunderstanding but it happened to me a few times, and if you did, have you ever ended up being friends with that person? I have, best friends, while not two weeks prior we were ready to send each other to the hospital. True forgiveness does exist. It's not easy but it's doable.
Cavalero: I understand what you're saying and it makes perfect sense but really it all depends on the infraction and the person's ability to let it go. It's easier to forgive a brother or sister than it is a stranger. It's easier to forgive something that didn't cause great harm physically or financially. I don't if you've ever got into a physical fight with another man over some insult or misunderstanding but it happened to me a few times, and if you did, have you ever ended up being friends with that person? I have, best friends, while not two weeks prior we were ready to send each other to the hospital. True forgiveness does exist. It's not easy but it's doable.
OK. Thanks for that...I’m just fine with the way(s) others see things.
rohaan: I’ve written about this before. People are not able to forgive. It’s a wonderful ideal, and makes a charming, heart-warming bedtime story. Doesn’t happen. Not in the truest sense of the actual meaning. Saying “she wrecked my life, but I forgive her” is an oxymoron. Saying “I can forgive but I can’t forget” is just another way of saying “I don’t/can’t forgive”. There’s no blame or judgment here: it’s the way it is.
“Nobody ever forgets where he buried a hatchet”—-Josh Billings
One can learn to get along, be kind and polite, all those fine things, but always, always, in the back of the mind, is that haunting, warning: that person did me wrong and I can’t trust them anymore.
People are perfectly capable of forgiveness, in fact once you've realised what a burden resentment and blame really is, bearing a grudge becomes no longer an option. Forgive and forget however isn't usually possible, the mind cannot erase at will. The best we can do is forgive and lose interest.
bodleing2: ...in fact once you've realised what a burden resentment and blame really is, bearing a grudge becomes no longer an option.
^^^that^^^ "Forgive us our sins as we forgive those who have sinned against us" are not just empty words, for God will forgive us with the same measure as we have forgiven others.
For me if I'm seeing a constant pattern of the same ole same ole vindictiveness..I try to talk things out..If a person changes the subject not wanting to meet me half way..There comes a day where I laugh it off and say to myself that person no longer exists..I don't need to forgive nor forget..They simply no longer exist...I'm worth way more than that.
bodleing2: People are perfectly capable of forgiveness, in fact once you've realised what a burden resentment and blame really is, bearing a grudge becomes no longer an option. Forgive and forget however isn't usually possible, the mind cannot erase at will. The best we can do is forgive and lose interest.
Its easier to think that...I still believe the point of what I’m saying is either missed or dodged. Not a “ thumper”, but if we’re talking scripture, “cast those iniquities into the sea of forgetfulness “‘TO BE REMEMBERED NO MORE.”’ I say if you can’t forget ( wipe the slate clean) then you can’t truly forgive. It’s not that I think badly of people, and I agree that forgiveness is an ideal virtue..we are not able, as mortals, to complete the picture, because we can’t, through no fault of our own, do both. I champion your deep desire to want to forgive, and it’s a worthy cause. And, we shall soar like eagles. Just not now
PeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands6,334 posts
there are a lot of people having it coming. Actually, one of my revengeprojects is in work right now, another will follow at the end of the year. And funpart is they'll never know who is behind it all.
gonelikethewimd: I forgive easily, but when it becomes a pattern..of doing the same thing over and over again...
Best to part ways.
My wonderful dad ( actually my grandfather...they were my” real” parents..) was the most loving, spiritual man, a true, true believer, knew the Bible through and through..he would say, “After turning my other cheek, there’s only one, you know, I don’t have to get hit a THIRD time..”
deedee123xo: I dont believe it's possible to forgive totally. Nor to forget. You just learn from it and grow from it.
Spot- on... I do think in public culture, such as the bar, other gathering places, regulars who know and like each other can “get over stuff” and play nice, so to speak...happens a lot around here. Big difference between being able to get along well and actually “forgiving”, and I think that’s what some people get hung up on. And, people who go on and on about their forgiving...hmmm...”methinks thou dost protest too much”...
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