Math subjects (algebra, geometry, accounting, trig, etc)
32%
7 Votes
study subjects (history of the world, of art, of music, etc)
14%
3 Votes
PE or heath
0%
0 Votes
Useful (working on a car, DIY, cooking)
5%
1 Votes
Social studies
5%
1 Votes
Other
27%
6 Votes
22 Total Votes
If you had to go back in time and do high school again - what subjects were the biggest waste of time, and what would you choose now (or again)
A 13 year old relative has to plot out the rest of her life in the next week. No pressure. I know I would choose languages this time round, even though I hated the year I did in French and was rubbish. I should have chosen a foreign language and stuck with it, so that was my advice. Interested in yours.
I grew up in France and back then everyone had to study every subject like maths, science, geography, history, art, PE/athletics/sports, French language and grammar and literature, as well as at least 2 foreign languages, music, and technology. I went on to study Travel and Tourism for which the programme was almost identical apart from the fact maths was replaced by accountcy, technology was replaced by ticketing and other travelling agency running essentials. Art was replaced by 'history of the arts and architecture' and we also studied the impacy of tourism on the economy. Was a 3 year programme for about 7 to 8 hours a day! After which I attended Uni specialising in languages.
I would do the same again. I had such a backgound on so many subjects that no matter what I did later some knowledge I had picked up during those years would come in useful.
I later trained to be a teacher and later as an artist ...
I don't begrudge any of my 'learning' and even music which I found boring when we were learning solfeggio has come in handy to read the music sheets when I joined a choir in the last few years
Mostly it depends on where her skills lie, and what her interests are. Below are what I would consider a minimum for a generic Bachelor of Arts degree:
languages: I place heavy emphasis on this. Spanish, French, Italian, etc, are all good choices.
sciences: Again, without an understanding of science, she'll be clueless about most of the world. Here are the (minimum) basics that I advise: Chemistry, Physics, Electrical Theory, or Introductory Electronics Tech course.
Math subjects: Minimum is differential and Integral Calculus. If she wishes to be in Science/Engineering, then Differential Equations is the minimum.
study subjects (history of the world, of art, of music, etc): electives, can be useful PE or heath: if she has any health issues, but this can be done independently Useful (working on a car, DIY, cooking): One must know how an automobile works, but it is fairly simple, her father could teach her, or any adult that knows Social studies: People emphasis this. I don't. If it is required by the college, then yes, or if she wishes to go into politics.....
Other: Computer science is absolutely essential nowadays, including keyboarding/typing skills. I touch-type, and I learned it in High-school, on a mechanical typewriter. There hasn't been a year, since I left High-School, that I didn't use a keyboard. Now it is daily, six days a week.
Though I'm not the ideal person to answer this question as a student , in my study days I used to ran away from studies always ..
It's not because I don't like the subjects , but because I don't like the method or system of the schooling here ..
Anyway.. Coming to the point ..
I think the best option would be choosing the subjects which the student likes to study .. It would be best if those subjects are practically useful in todays ground reality ..
But if such subject can not be found particularly , then I guess the next best option would be to pick a combination of subjects both from point of personal interest and utilisation in practical life ..
I don't begrudge any of my 'learning' and even music which I found boring when we were learning solfeggio has come in handy to read the music sheets when I joined a choir in the last few years
Iyyov: Mostly it depends on where her skills lie, and what her interests are. Below are what I would consider a minimum for a generic Bachelor of Arts degree:
Hope this helps.
Shalom, Iyyov
Whoops above comment directed at you and thank you
Tanzila: But if such subject can not be found particularly , then I guess the next best option would be to pick a combination of subjects both from point of personal interest and utilisation in practical life ..
In our educational system students can not choose subjects. They study everything from start to finish, which from 1st to 12 grade. Chemistry, Maths, Biology, History, Languages, Psychology, Geography, Sports, IT, DIY and few others. That's from 1st grade to end of High school. They can choose the type of school though, after 7th grade. Like, Language high school, or High school of economics...Math and so on. But they still study all subjects along with the extra hours of the main ones.
To help her with what she needs to take you'd need to determine what she wants to be. I think that was about the age I told my daughter that if she didn't have a preference she was going to be a programmer because that was the thing I was most up on at the time. She decided she wanted to be a doctor, and did graduate from medical school. Then married one instead of becoming one.
I think the subjects that have always been lacking in the world are love in all of it's forms (unconditional included), communication and good stewardship of the earth. These things are sadly missing from the qualities of the human experience and even worse are largely missing in families. The majority of 'school' subjects are grossly overrated in comparison to what little, humans know about love, kindness, sharing.
I have always been curious why the powers that be do not teach this, much less parents with their own offspring.
BB_snickers: I think the subjects that have always been lacking in the world are love in all of it's forms (unconditional included), communication and good stewardship of the earth. These things are sadly missing from the qualities of the human experience and even worse are largely missing in families. The majority of 'school' subjects are grossly overrated in comparison to what little, humans know about love, kindness, sharing.
I have always been curious why the powers that be do not teach this, much less parents with their own offspring.
It most probably has something to do with the capitalist idea that the greater good is served by self-interest because selfishness is a much harder worker than benevolence - which in most people it is. Capitalism will always come up with the goods where benevolence tries to feed people with good intentions at best and virtue signalling at worst. The problem for benevolence will be if you can't do, teach, and it'll just be words lots and lots of sermons without any improvement to the general welfare. However, the problem with capitalism is that it only works as a system of checks and balances, only works when all the selfish people are relatively equal in power and therefore can only win by being the best. It fails where any one is in a position where you can't lose because that means you win without being the best.
ChesneyChrist: It most probably has something to do with the capitalist idea that the greater good is served by self-interest because selfishness is a much harder worker than benevolence - which in most people it is. Capitalism will always come up with the goods where benevolence tries to feed people with good intentions at best and virtue signalling at worst. The problem for benevolence will be if you can't do, teach, and it'll just be words lots and lots of sermons without any improvement to the general welfare. However, the problem with capitalism is that it only works as a system of checks and balances, only works when all the selfish people are relatively equal in power and therefore can only win by being the best. It fails where any one is in a position where you can't lose because that means you win without being the best.
And also the materialism. Making it on merit has much to do with material things - I don't really like that baker but I do like his bread. It requires some objective standard like the best bread rather than who you like or dislike. Now is benevolence going to treat people equally like that? Not normally, no. Often it will decide that certain types are entitled to more help than others. The closest we actually come to equality is the sense of fair play - I don't like him but he's right, his bread is better.
ChesneyChrist: It most probably has something to do with the capitalist idea that the greater good is served by self-interest because selfishness is a much harder worker than benevolence - which in most people it is. Capitalism will always come up with the goods where benevolence tries to feed people with good intentions at best and virtue signalling at worst. The problem for benevolence will be if you can't do, teach, and it'll just be words lots and lots of sermons without any improvement to the general welfare. However, the problem with capitalism is that it only works as a system of checks and balances, only works when all the selfish people are relatively equal in power and therefore can only win by being the best. It fails where any one is in a position where you can't lose because that means you win without being the best.
I think that love would be the most useful balance, yet, despite it's dire need it is ignored as a solution, where self righteousness is indeed, idolized.
It is most assuredly power driven by power brokers and then the 'love' subjects are handed off to the 'church' as it were, where fear and selfishness are given full reign to condemn and marginalize the less deserving of mankind so the silver spoon inheritance is maintained within the group.
I think the very idea of competitiveness ruins any chance for love to get a foothold. There can't be a 'losing' side in order for any form of love to flourish. And why would the rich and powerful want that? They wouldn't. They drive wealth and 'value' as far away from any love as possible, because love wouldn't classify or seperate people the way that capitalism or any other present political system does.
I understand why the world is so lacking. I do not understand why so few have noticed the smoke and mirrors that keep the world at bay.
ChesneyChrist: And also the materialism. Making it on merit has much to do with material things - I don't really like that baker but I do like his bread. It requires some objective standard like the best bread rather than who you like or dislike. Now is benevolence going to treat people equally like that? Not normally, no. Often it will decide that certain types are entitled to more help than others. The closest we actually come to equality is the sense of fair play - I don't like him but he's right, his bread is better.
Now obviously there's the good Samaritan who would help anyone whoever they are but that is not how altruism normally works. Normally it's about playing favourites and capitalism helps to break down that nepotism and cronyism by appreciating that someone is right without having to like them. It's much easier to give a fair shake through capitalism it doesn't require a saint for it to be done.
ChesneyChrist: And also the materialism. Making it on merit has much to do with material things - I don't really like that baker but I do like his bread. It requires some objective standard like the best bread rather than who you like or dislike. Now is benevolence going to treat people equally like that? Not normally, no. Often it will decide that certain types are entitled to more help than others. The closest we actually come to equality is the sense of fair play - I don't like him but he's right, his bread is better.
You are speaking in terms of the same old same old that has pervaded society and filled it with notions of comparison and competitiveness. You were taught this as we all were. Both of these things denigrate, belittle and marginalize the human being to 'feel' unknowingly subservient' to those that hold 'higher' positions or who's marketing rules public opinion.
Neither is it about fair play. This idea allows for victimhood, one of the more destructive states of the human condition. It is, if love were considered, a sovereigness of equality that is not gender nor race, nor creed, etc specific. This is very hard to grasp by a society built on financial prowess rather than love.
Your mind has to open to consider things beyond what you were taught, to surrender old belief systems that tell you to remain stuck in the puddle created by selfish rulers.
ChesneyChrist: Now obviously there's the good Samaritan who would help anyone whoever they are but that is not how altruism normally works. Normally it's about playing favourites and capitalism helps to break down that nepotism and cronyism by appreciating that someone is right without having to like them. It's much easier to give a fair shake through capitalism it doesn't require a saint for it to be done.
This is the epitome of present day subservient thinking which is not really thinking at all. It is merely speaking as the mind was taught to, to behold anything but love as the successful idol, to find all manner of chaos in any thought that involves considering love as the solution. One does not look for solutions of love when one hasn't been taught to. One that is taught to compare against love will always, always find the wrongs in any idea of love so that it may remain stuck in it's old ways even when it suffers in doing so.
You cannot see good samaritans when you are not in that mind, yourself. It is as if you are trying to sail a ship on the land, since a sailor would not do this anymore than a good samaritan would look for evil to find goodness. Until one sees the truth of where they are, their ability to solve for love eludes them.
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A 13 year old relative has to plot out the rest of her life in the next week. No pressure. I know I would choose languages this time round, even though I hated the year I did in French and was rubbish. I should have chosen a foreign language and stuck with it, so that was my advice. Interested in yours.