In Switzerland there is no panishment for those who have made a choice to die peacefuly. They have a right between suffering in constant pain and to leave that World in peace.
Why? Don't Healthdepartments and Goverments of the rest of the Planet let terminally ill people to die.
Why? They want them and their families to go on with miserable living.
It is like our "In God we trust" countries enjoy to watch their own people torture. How heartless it is.
If i ever will get any fatal illness i'll go to Switzerland.
Konigsberg: In Switzerland there is no panishment for those who have made a choice to die peacefuly. They have a right between suffering in constant pain and to leave that World in peace.Why? Don't Healthdepartments and Goverments of the rest of the Planet let terminally ill people to die.
Why? They want them and their families to go on with miserable living.
It is like our "In God we trust" countries enjoy to watch their own people torture. How heartless it is.
If i ever will get any fatal illness i'll go to Switzerland.
as a nurse who has worked with terminally ill people in the community- i most certainly believe in it. have been totally angered by people that have said in the media that hospice nurses( whom i worked side by side with) have a 'licence to kill and hasten death' That is soooo not the case, and i have never seen a single persons death 'hastened' by the drugs that are given to relive pain/nausea/secretion...( i have seen death occur in a painfree and dignified manner, death that was going to happen at that time anyway))... but i think this is the thing that makes some people feel that 'euthanasia' is practiced regularly by medical professionals.
I also work with people that have horrendous diseases that take from them the ability to move/feed themselves/talk/ go to the toilet/breathe unaided, and whatever they may feel about it, I KNOW that if I was in that situation, i would want to have available to me, the choice to end that non curable suffering, when I chose to do so. I would never force that suggestion on anyone else, but would hate to be forced to be a prisoner in my pain wracked, quality-void body, because of 'do gooders' who feel it is their right to dictate what i should suffer to soothe their own conscience
jampet: as a nurse who has worked with terminally ill people in the community- i most certainly believe in it. have been totally angered by people that have said in the media that hospice nurses( whom i worked side by side with) have a 'licence to kill and hasten death' That is soooo not the case, and i have never seen a single persons death 'hastened' by the drugs that are given to relive pain/nausea/secretion...( i have seen death occur in a painfree and dignified manner, death that was going to happen at that time anyway))... but i think this is the thing that makes some people feel that 'euthanasia' is practiced regularly by medical professionals.
I also work with people that have horrendous diseases that take from them the ability to move/feed themselves/talk/ go to the toilet/breathe unaided, and whatever they may feel about it, I KNOW that if I was in that situation, i would want to have available to me, the choice to end that non curable suffering, when I chose to do so. I would never force that suggestion on anyone else, but would hate to be forced to be a prisoner in my pain wracked, quality-void body, because of 'do gooders' who feel it is their right to dictate what i should suffer to soothe their own conscience
jampet: as a nurse who has worked with terminally ill people in the community- i most certainly believe in it. have been totally angered by people that have said in the media that hospice nurses( whom i worked side by side with) have a 'licence to kill and hasten death' That is soooo not the case, and i have never seen a single persons death 'hastened' by the drugs that are given to relive pain/nausea/secretion...( i have seen death occur in a painfree and dignified manner, death that was going to happen at that time anyway))... but i think this is the thing that makes some people feel that 'euthanasia' is practiced regularly by medical professionals.
I also work with people that have horrendous diseases that take from them the ability to move/feed themselves/talk/ go to the toilet/breathe unaided, and whatever they may feel about it, I KNOW that if I was in that situation, i would want to have available to me, the choice to end that non curable suffering, when I chose to do so. I would never force that suggestion on anyone else, but would hate to be forced to be a prisoner in my pain wracked, quality-void body, because of 'do gooders' who feel it is their right to dictate what i should suffer to soothe their own conscience
mickeyscouseLondon, Greater London, England UK2,065 posts
Konigsberg: Steven I need to know anatomical places where to point that rusty tool and to die at once.
You don't want me to end up in London Infection Hospital. No? By the way i'll spend more money in London than in Switzerland Hey glad to see you in a good health and humorous condition. Missed you
pretzelman: yes....I will have the final say when the pain becomes unbearable to me. Rest assured that will happen.
you may like to think so- but that is the crux of the matter, there are some diseases that slowly rob you of your ability to have any say in this matter, so unless you consciously choose at a very early stage of that disease to take matters into your own hands and end your life, then you are at the mercy of either the professionals who cannot legally help you die and can only act within the parameters of legal pain relief, or the family who choose to honour your wishes and face prosecution for carrying out your wishes to not allow you to suffer.
some people say?think? that 'life is paramount' whereas i believe that 'quality of life' is paramount. is it better to live an extra day/week/month... when you are in constant pain, struggling to breathe, incontinent, etc etc and there are many etc's? or to accept that life as a pleasureable thing has passed. surely noone else has that right to decide that other than the person that is living that life??
I believe that noone that has not experienced the horror of watching someone die slowly in unneccessary pain should be allowed to make that choice- sadly I have
jampet: as a nurse who has worked with terminally ill people in the community- i most certainly believe in it. have been totally angered by people that have said in the media that hospice nurses( whom i worked side by side with) have a 'licence to kill and hasten death' That is soooo not the case, and i have never seen a single persons death 'hastened' by the drugs that are given to relive pain/nausea/secretion...( i have seen death occur in a painfree and dignified manner, death that was going to happen at that time anyway))... but i think this is the thing that makes some people feel that 'euthanasia' is practiced regularly by medical professionals.
I also work with people that have horrendous diseases that take from them the ability to move/feed themselves/talk/ go to the toilet/breathe unaided, and whatever they may feel about it, I KNOW that if I was in that situation, i would want to have available to me, the choice to end that non curable suffering, when I chose to do so. I would never force that suggestion on anyone else, but would hate to be forced to be a prisoner in my pain wracked, quality-void body, because of 'do gooders' who feel it is their right to dictate what i should suffer to soothe their own conscience
Oops can you tell this is a sore point with me??
I agree completely, Jampet. I watched my husband die a slow and painful death from cancer, and he wished he could choose the time instead, and spare us both the suffering. I wouldn't want to put anyone through that, either. I believe in the Right to Die movement. And I agree with you on the above...if I were in such a bad state, I wouldn't want to put my loved ones through that, nor myself. What a horrible way to "live".
jampet: you may like to think so- but that is the crux of the matter, there are some diseases that slowly rob you of your ability to have any say in this matter, so unless you consciously choose at a very early stage of that disease to take matters into your own hands and end your life, then you are at the mercy of either the professionals who cannot legally help you die and can only act within the parameters of legal pain relief, or the family who choose to honour your wishes and face prosecution for carrying out your wishes to not allow you to suffer.
some people say?think? that 'life is paramount' whereas i believe that 'quality of life' is paramount. is it better to live an extra day/week/month... when you are in constant pain, struggling to breathe, incontinent, etc etc and there are many etc's? or to accept that life as a pleasureable thing has passed. surely noone else has that right to decide that other than the person that is living that life??
I believe that noone that has not experienced the horror of watching someone die slowly in unneccessary pain should be allowed to make that choice- sadly I have
Again, I agree completely. It's quality of life, not quantity. Heck, we have the right to take our dog or cat to the vet when they lose quality of life, or are in so much pain that it's hard to see them suffer...but we can't take our humans to the doctor for this. Doesn't make any sense to me.
jampet: you may like to think so- but that is the crux of the matter, there are some diseases that slowly rob you of your ability to have any say in this matter, so unless you consciously choose at a very early stage of that disease to take matters into your own hands and end your life, then you are at the mercy of either the professionals who cannot legally help you die and can only act within the parameters of legal pain relief, or the family who choose to honour your wishes and face prosecution for carrying out your wishes to not allow you to suffer.
some people say?think? that 'life is paramount' whereas i believe that 'quality of life' is paramount. is it better to live an extra day/week/month... when you are in constant pain, struggling to breathe, incontinent, etc etc and there are many etc's? or to accept that life as a pleasureable thing has passed. surely noone else has that right to decide that other than the person that is living that life??
I believe that noone that has not experienced the horror of watching someone die slowly in unneccessary pain should be allowed to make that choice- sadly I have
well....I know what I suffer from. I know the ultimate outcome. I'll know when the time has come. I have given this much thought!! I will not waste away or be a burden to others. I have been independent since 15 years old. I will die, independent
pretzelman: well....I know what I suffer from. I know the ultimate outcome. I'll know when the time has come. I have given this much thought!! I will not waste away or be a burden to others. I have been independent since 15 years old. I will die, independent
Good for you, Starlin.
Btw, we do all have the right to choose. We came into the world with free will. It's the lawyers (no offense) who've made it illegal, and the priests who made it immoral. There was a time when that right was recognized by society...a very, very long time ago.
---We do not know who chose our right to this life--- death is, I would suggest the most personal thing we will encounter in our choices --- I beleive its should be our own choice, irrespective of what stage of passing we are at .
Personally, I'm 'looking at pain being the required "release" of passing, though the jury is still out on this one - will probably face the self questions/possibilities when it happens
jampet: as a nurse who has worked with terminally ill people in the community- i most certainly believe in it. have been totally angered by people that have said in the media that hospice nurses( whom i worked side by side with) have a 'licence to kill and hasten death' That is soooo not the case, and i have never seen a single persons death 'hastened' by the drugs that are given to relive pain/nausea/secretion...( i have seen death occur in a painfree and dignified manner, death that was going to happen at that time anyway))... but i think this is the thing that makes some people feel that 'euthanasia' is practiced regularly by medical professionals.
I also work with people that have horrendous diseases that take from them the ability to move/feed themselves/talk/ go to the toilet/breathe unaided, and whatever they may feel about it, I KNOW that if I was in that situation, i would want to have available to me, the choice to end that non curable suffering, when I chose to do so. I would never force that suggestion on anyone else, but would hate to be forced to be a prisoner in my pain wracked, quality-void body, because of 'do gooders' who feel it is their right to dictate what i should suffer to soothe their own conscience
Oops can you tell this is a sore point with me??
I agree here. Hospice nurses are not there to kill a patient. They are there to give their best to alleviate the patient's suffering until the patient passes away naturally. One can see on a patient's face after death whether they were suffering pain at the time of death. Their facial skin tells the story.
Several years back,I was forced by a Court of Law to stop a bolus tube feeding on a patient before they were even admitted to hospice.(I never saw the court order but was informed by the mgt. of the nursing home) The person was still walking around but was suffering from a stroke and didn't communicate well and wasn't eating. However, she would enjoy when people did stop and speak to her. She was aphasic. I refused to be responsible for her care and transferred her care to another nurse that was willing to withold her feedings and give her medicine just as the court had ordered. My stance was that I would not be a party to legal euthanasia under the protection of my nursing license. Day by day, the woman got weaker and became bedridden and eventually died. She was finally admitted to hospice. The end of the story is that I got reprimanded for refusing to care for the woman and follow the court order, which eventually caused my termination of my job.
No, I did not get reported to the State Board of Nursing as I didn't abandon the patient but rather transferred the care and responsibility to another staff nurse. There was a competent continuity of care established. If a doctor does not wish to establish himself as a physician for a patient or no longer wishes to remain a patient's doctor, he may transfer that responsibility to another physician with continuity of care. It is not abandonment. It is within nursing and physician jurisdiction to do this. Perhaps our CS ER doc would care to comment if he reads this?
We are all full of weakness and errors; let us mutually pardon each other our follies it is the first law of nature. Voltaire
"Turn up the lights, I don't want to go home in the dark." O. Henry (William Sidney Porter 1862-1910), US story writer
"On the contrary!" Henrik Ibsen (1828-1906), Norwegian dramatist on a suggestion he was better,
"Even in the valley of the shadow of death, two and two do not make six." Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910), Russian author, comment on the the Russian Orthodox Church as he lay dying
"I'm so bored with it all." Winston Churchill
"Too late for fruit, too soon for flowers." Walter De La Mare (1873-1956), Response from the British poet when asked if he would like some fruit or flowers
"This is no time to make new enemies." - Voltaire, when asked on his deathbed to forswear Satan courtsey of said what
CuspofMagic: We are all full of weakness and errors; let us mutually pardon each other our follies it is the first law of nature. Voltaire
"Turn up the lights, I don't want to go home in the dark." O. Henry (William Sidney Porter 1862-1910), US story writer
"On the contrary!" Henrik Ibsen (1828-1906), Norwegian dramatist on a suggestion he was better,
"Even in the valley of the shadow of death, two and two do not make six." Leo Tolstoy (1828-1910), Russian author, comment on the the Russian Orthodox Church as he lay dying
"I'm so bored with it all." Winston Churchill
"Too late for fruit, too soon for flowers." Walter De La Mare (1873-1956), Response from the British poet when asked if he would like some fruit or flowers
"This is no time to make new enemies." - Voltaire, when asked on his deathbed to forswear Satan courtsey of said what
jampet: as a nurse who has worked with terminally ill people in the community- i most certainly believe in it. have been totally angered by people that have said in the media that hospice nurses( whom i worked side by side with) have a 'licence to kill and hasten death' That is soooo not the case, and i have never seen a single persons death 'hastened' by the drugs that are given to relive pain/nausea/secretion...( i have seen death occur in a painfree and dignified manner, death that was going to happen at that time anyway))... but i think this is the thing that makes some people feel that 'euthanasia' is practiced regularly by medical professionals.
I also work with people that have horrendous diseases that take from them the ability to move/feed themselves/talk/ go to the toilet/breathe unaided, and whatever they may feel about it, I KNOW that if I was in that situation, i would want to have available to me, the choice to end that non curable suffering, when I chose to do so. I would never force that suggestion on anyone else, but would hate to be forced to be a prisoner in my pain wracked, quality-void body, because of 'do gooders' who feel it is their right to dictate what i should suffer to soothe their own conscience
Oops can you tell this is a sore point with me??
having worked in care all my life, i agree wholeheartedly
Konigsberg: In Switzerland there is no panishment for those who have made a choice to die peacefuly. They have a right between suffering in constant pain and to leave that World in peace.Why? Don't Healthdepartments and Goverments of the rest of the Planet let terminally ill people to die.
Why? They want them and their families to go on with miserable living.
It is like our "In God we trust" countries enjoy to watch their own people torture. How heartless it is.
If i ever will get any fatal illness i'll go to Switzerland.
There is alot of money in geriatric care in the states. No dought lobbyist influence the decission about legal suicide. As if they can prosecute a dead person. Then you factor in the defacto religious stand of our goverment, it will never be legal here. However, I'm for it. If I'm ill with no hope, and facing an agonizing death, I want to decide when I go. After all, it is MY life. It is MY body. But you know what the bottom line is. I can put a gun to my head and pull the trigger. What the hell can they do? If I'm a quadraplegic and stuck in a bed, I don't want to live that way. Atleast let me end it, when I choose.
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Why? Don't Healthdepartments and Goverments of the rest of the Planet let terminally ill people to die.
Why? They want them and their families to go on with miserable living.
It is like our "In God we trust" countries enjoy to watch their own people torture. How heartless it is.
If i ever will get any fatal illness i'll go to Switzerland.