Do you believe in 'Original Sin' (99)
Somebody out there must believe in Original Sin, surely?
So far 100% don't!
(ok, only 2 votes doesn't say much, does it?
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So far 100% don't!
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I don't know if this is a joke, another post meant to stir the pot, or a serious question. If it's the latter, it would depend on a person's understanding of "Original Sin."
One point of view, according to New Advent:
"There is no question here of personal sins, differing in species and number, committed by each one during his life, but of one first sin which was enough to transmit equally to all men a state of sin and the title of sinners."
So yes, I believe in Original Sin, but that's because I know we're all human and fail to be good, at one time or another! :)
One point of view, according to New Advent:
"There is no question here of personal sins, differing in species and number, committed by each one during his life, but of one first sin which was enough to transmit equally to all men a state of sin and the title of sinners."
So yes, I believe in Original Sin, but that's because I know we're all human and fail to be good, at one time or another! :)
rusty_knight: Do you believe in 'Original Sin'?
If you do - why?
If you do - Do you resent the fact even though you believe in it?
If you don't - Do you believe in 'Original Innocence'?
Are human beings born already condemned as being evil or are little babies innocent?
Please express your views, if you have any, on this subject.
Personally, I used to believe in Original Sin but I resented it; later I grew to accept it - now I don't believe in it!
I think it is very nasty to make people believe they are intrinsically bad when they have done nothing wrong; it's mental manipulation to empower those in religious authority.
Please argue the other way if you disagree......... I am capable of changing my mind if you give me good reason to!
If you do - why?
If you do - Do you resent the fact even though you believe in it?
If you don't - Do you believe in 'Original Innocence'?
Are human beings born already condemned as being evil or are little babies innocent?
Please express your views, if you have any, on this subject.
Personally, I used to believe in Original Sin but I resented it; later I grew to accept it - now I don't believe in it!
I think it is very nasty to make people believe they are intrinsically bad when they have done nothing wrong; it's mental manipulation to empower those in religious authority.
Please argue the other way if you disagree......... I am capable of changing my mind if you give me good reason to!
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calmheartseeks: I don't know if this is a joke, another post meant to stir the pot, or a serious question. If it's the latter, it would depend on a person's understanding of "Original Sin."
One point of view, according to New Advent:
"There is no question here of personal sins, differing in species and number, committed by each one during his life, but of one first sin which was enough to transmit equally to all men a state of sin and the title of sinners."
So yes, I believe in Original Sin, but that's because I know we're all human and fail to be good, at one time or another! :)
One point of view, according to New Advent:
"There is no question here of personal sins, differing in species and number, committed by each one during his life, but of one first sin which was enough to transmit equally to all men a state of sin and the title of sinners."
So yes, I believe in Original Sin, but that's because I know we're all human and fail to be good, at one time or another! :)
Not a joke - so you believe a newborn baby carries the burden of Original Sin? Don't you think that's a little unfair on the baby?
I am not knocking what you believe, but don't you find it sad that a newborn baby is already condemned by what happened in the past?
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I don't even believe in original flavour Lucozade.
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RobbieM: I don't even believe in original flavour Lucozade.
Coke - it's the REAL thing!
Coca Cola!
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That stuff will kill you! 16 teaspoons of sugar in every can!
That an EX's mum used to work for them
I really should go to sleep now! It's 7am!!!
That an EX's mum used to work for them
I really should go to sleep now! It's 7am!!!
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RobbieM: That stuff will kill you! 16 teaspoons of sugar in every can!
That an EX's mum used to work for them
I really should go to sleep now! It's 7am!!!
That an EX's mum used to work for them
I really should go to sleep now! It's 7am!!!
COCA COLA - THE ORIGINAL SIN DRINK?
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This is why people are not posting. ;) It becomes an argument.
No, I don't think it's "unfair to the baby" (which is about as close to innocence as you can get!!!) :) It is a human being after all, with a less than perfect nature. I feel that most of us do wrong at one time or another. Does not make us "bad" - just means we are not perfect.
I don't want to argue, just wanted to provide one theological view of it, and participate in your poll as you asked!
Best wishes.
No, I don't think it's "unfair to the baby" (which is about as close to innocence as you can get!!!) :) It is a human being after all, with a less than perfect nature. I feel that most of us do wrong at one time or another. Does not make us "bad" - just means we are not perfect.
I don't want to argue, just wanted to provide one theological view of it, and participate in your poll as you asked!
Best wishes.
rusty_knight: Not a joke - so you believe a newborn baby carries the burden of Original Sin? Don't you think that's a little unfair on the baby?
I am not knocking what you believe, but don't you find it sad that a newborn baby is already condemned by what happened in the past?
I am not knocking what you believe, but don't you find it sad that a newborn baby is already condemned by what happened in the past?
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Hello this is God speakin .Your Divine Creator,created original sin cause otherwise what's the point in dying on the cross.It's a great way to get kids to church early too.Indoctrination must start at an early age otherwise it don't work.You can't ague with Me either.
.Your Divine Creator,created original sin cause otherwise what's the point in dying on the cross.It's a great way to get kids to church early too.Indoctrination must start at an early age otherwise it don't work.You can't ague with Me either.------ This poll is Archived ------
It is a SLAP in the Face of Morality!
Sin,dumped on me!
Guilty of the Doings of Others.
Real Divine Justice!
A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality.
For the New Intellectual Galt’s Speech
Ayn Rand
Sin,dumped on me!
Guilty of the Doings of Others.
Real Divine Justice!
A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality.
For the New Intellectual Galt’s Speech
Ayn Rand
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Conrad73: It is a SLAP in the Face of Morality!
Sin,dumped on me!
Guilty of the Doings of Others.
Real Divine Justice!
A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality.
For the New Intellectual Galt’s Speech
Ayn Rand
Sin,dumped on me!
Guilty of the Doings of Others.
Real Divine Justice!
A sin without volition is a slap at morality and an insolent contradiction in terms: that which is outside the possibility of choice is outside the province of morality. If man is evil by birth, he has no will, no power to change it; if he has no will, he can be neither good nor evil; a robot is amoral. To hold, as man’s sin, a fact not open to his choice is a mockery of morality.
For the New Intellectual Galt’s Speech
Ayn Rand
and I looked up 'Original Sin' in the same lexicon!
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rusty_knight: and I looked up 'Original Sin' in the same lexicon!
" Love one another and commit unoriginal sin! "
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thetaterman78: I believe original sin sounds like fun do you have her number?
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rusty_knight: Do you believe in 'Original Sin'?
If you do - why?
If you do - Do you resent the fact even though you believe in it?
If you don't - Do you believe in 'Original Innocence'?
Are human beings born already condemned as being evil or are little babies innocent?
Please express your views, if you have any, on this subject.
Personally, I used to believe in Original Sin but I resented it; later I grew to accept it - now I don't believe in it!
I think it is very nasty to make people believe they are intrinsically bad when they have done nothing wrong; it's mental manipulation to empower those in religious authority.
Please argue the other way if you disagree......... I am capable of changing my mind if you give me good reason to!
If you do - why?
If you do - Do you resent the fact even though you believe in it?
If you don't - Do you believe in 'Original Innocence'?
Are human beings born already condemned as being evil or are little babies innocent?
Please express your views, if you have any, on this subject.
Personally, I used to believe in Original Sin but I resented it; later I grew to accept it - now I don't believe in it!
I think it is very nasty to make people believe they are intrinsically bad when they have done nothing wrong; it's mental manipulation to empower those in religious authority.
Please argue the other way if you disagree......... I am capable of changing my mind if you give me good reason to!
Sin - 1. transgression of devine law. a willful violation of some religious or moral principle.
Original - 1. belonging or pertaining to the origin or beginning of something.
Rusty, what sin exactly are you refering to? The original sin Adam and Eve commited, or the ability to sin that was created in all of us?
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I don't even believe in sin, why should I believe in original sin?
This is one of the reasons I rejected religion, god, the church, and anything connected with it. If you take the literal meaning of original sin ie all babies are born as sinners and combine it with another assertion that god created man in his own image, it follows that god is a sinner. How can a sinner tell anyone else not to sin? Just another hypocracy of the church.
This is one of the reasons I rejected religion, god, the church, and anything connected with it. If you take the literal meaning of original sin ie all babies are born as sinners and combine it with another assertion that god created man in his own image, it follows that god is a sinner. How can a sinner tell anyone else not to sin? Just another hypocracy of the church.
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Babies are innocent! Sin is transgression of the law. They are born without sin and must reach accountablity. One who lives without knowing God will die without knowing God. But are not lost because they shall be of the second resurrection and have their chance. When a child gets of the age of accountablity (each reach it at their own time) Then they can sin. But they are not babies....they will be children.
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Hmmmm Well let me see. I believe in 'Original Sin'. I however, believe that original sin is the imperfect body that is passed on from generation to generation. As far as an innocent baby if an infant learns that when it cries that mommy(or daddy)person shows up and changes my diaper, gives me a bottle, ect. and then uses crying as a way to minipulate attention, are they really innocent??
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nfowler: Hmmmm Well let me see. I believe in 'Original Sin'. I however, believe that original sin is the imperfect body that is passed on from generation to generation. As far as an innocent baby if an infant learns that when it cries that mommy(or daddy)person shows up and changes my diaper, gives me a bottle, ect. and then uses crying as a way to minipulate attention, are they really innocent??
That is a natural survival mechanism at work here Buddy. Sin is the breaking of divine law. In this matter babies are innocent.
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nfowler: Hmmmm Well let me see. I believe in 'Original Sin'. I however, believe that original sin is the imperfect body that is passed on from generation to generation. As far as an innocent baby if an infant learns that when it cries that mommy(or daddy)person shows up and changes my diaper, gives me a bottle, ect. and then uses crying as a way to minipulate attention, are they really innocent??
I believe a child does natural things of survival and at that age does not understand control.....it just like breathing to live. But to each his own belief. It really it not important for original sin to exist since all will either be without God or will sin. Each are in the same boat going to the same port unless they obtain salvation...now or later. But each to their own.
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RillyNiceGuy: I believe a child does natural things of survival and at that age does not understand control.....it just like breathing to live. But to each his own belief. It really it not important for original sin to exist since all will either be without God or will sin. Each are in the same boat going to the same port unless they obtain salvation...now or later. But each to their own. MO
So, a person who has God no longer sins?
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nfowler: actually NO IT ISN'T
I was raised a JW, and your telling me what they don't believe!
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No, I don't believe in original sin, and babies are born innocent of any sin. All humankind is not held accountable from the day they're born for the actions of any other, but we're held accountable for our own actions in this life, and occasionally in past lives, depending on what we've done in them. I do believe in karma, and that we can carry a karmic debt into another life from a past one. That doesn't necessarily mean we've sinned, but can mean we owe a debt to another that must be repaid this time.
I also believe that one can become conscious of the karmic debt we carry and clear it consciously.
I also believe that one can become conscious of the karmic debt we carry and clear it consciously.
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nfowler: actually NO IT ISN'T
Or is this one of the areas where they have flip-floped?
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buzzy: So, a person who has God no longer sins?
If one has not God they are lost already. They sin not knowing God or the law. But those who know God and obtain salvation can become saved into the Kingdom of God.
If you ain't got a ticket at the movies....you don't watch the show....it doesn't matter if you saw the advertisement or not. But by seeing the advertisement and buying a ticket....you can see the show if you choose.
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nfowler: actually NO IT ISN'T
I was referring to the second resurection in my response to Rilly. Not the "live without knowing God." part. In that you are right.
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RillyNiceGuy: If one has not God they are lost already. They sin not knowing God or the law. But those who know God and obtain salvation can become saved into the Kingdom of God.If you ain't got a ticket at the movies....you don't watch the show....it doesn't matter if you saw the advertisement or not. But by seeing the advertisement and buying a ticket....you can see the show if you choose.
You didn't answer my question, Can a person that has God, sin?
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buzzy: I was referring to the second resurection in my response to Rilly. Not the "live without knowing God." part. In that you are right.
If you will READ Revelation you will find the first, second and a possible third. Those of the first are to be rulers,teachers,...etc....and the second death will not touch them. Those not knowing or mislead by all reasons will be those of the second resurrection and the books will be opened (scriptures) to them. Those knowing the real truth and rejecting it after full understanding will be cast into the lake of fire with those of the third ressurection who knew in times past the truth and rejected it.....all of those will be consumed and gone. Each of these things will be in order and in their own time. Read!
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RillyNiceGuy: If you will READ Revelation you will find the first, second and a possible third. Those of the first are to be rulers,teachers,...etc....and the second death will not touch them. Those not knowing or mislead by all reasons will be those of the second resurrection and the books will be opened (scriptures) to them. Those knowing the real truth and rejecting it after full understanding will be cast into the lake of fire with those of the third ressurection who knew in times past the truth and rejected it.....all of those will be consumed and gone. Each of these things will be in order and in their own time. Read!
I have read it many, many, many times. I didn't say I didn't know about it. "I said you sound like a JW. They taech the same thing." What you need to do is start comprehending what others are saying. You rarely answer a question when asked. You always skirt off in another direction.
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Do you believe in 'Original Sin'(Vote Below)
If you do - why?
If you do - Do you resent the fact even though you believe in it?
If you don't - Do you believe in 'Original Innocence'?
Are human beings born already condemned as being evil or are little babies innocent?
Please express your views, if you have any, on this subject.
Personally, I used to believe in Original Sin but I resented it; later I grew to accept it - now I don't believe in it!
I think it is very nasty to make people believe they are intrinsically bad when they have done nothing wrong; it's mental manipulation to empower those in religious authority.
Please argue the other way if you disagree......... I am capable of changing my mind if you give me good reason to!