VARIOUS COUNTRIES ARE SEEING THE RIGHTS OF COMMON MAN ERODED UNDER A MULTITUDE OF GUISES. AGREE or DISAGREE???
I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for? Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether Free to go where I want. Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings. Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me. Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like. Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC" Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet. Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be. Free to be a grumpy old tw*t
Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!
patmac: VARIOUS COUNTRIES ARE SEEING THE RIGHTS OF COMMON MAN ERODED UNDER A MULTITUDE OF GUISES. AGREE or DISAGREE???
I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for? Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether Free to go where I want. Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings. Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me. Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like. Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC" Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet. Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be. Free to be a grumpy old tw*t
Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!
patmac: VARIOUS COUNTRIES ARE SEEING THE RIGHTS OF COMMON MAN ERODED UNDER A MULTITUDE OF GUISES. AGREE or DISAGREE???
I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for? Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether Free to go where I want. Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings. Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me. Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like. Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC" Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet. Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be. Free to be a grumpy old tw*t
Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!
best4ubabeCape Town, Western Cape South Africa107 posts
patmac: VARIOUS COUNTRIES ARE SEEING THE RIGHTS OF COMMON MAN ERODED UNDER A MULTITUDE OF GUISES. AGREE or DISAGREE???
I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for? Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether Free to go where I want. Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings. Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me. Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like. Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC" Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet. Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be. Free to be a grumpy old tw*t
Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!
I thought freedom was not doing what you wish but doing what ought!
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
Hey Pat, I live in a country renowned for it's red tape, beuracracy and overpowering government, but it's also full of a people who are self centred and arrogant with a belief in personal freedom.
For all their faults, the Italians just get on with their daily lives, doing what they want to do, when they want to do it, and basically giving the "finger" salute to the rules as and when the rules don't suit them.
I think one has as much freedom as one is prepared to pay for it. With paying I don’t mean money only, though freedom is most expensive luxury ever, but ever other “commodity”: your time, energy, health, perhaps life...
No one ever will give you your freedom. It’s up to you how much you are willing to struggle for.
OutofafricaPerth, Western Australia Australia1,296 posts
Hi Patmac The sad thing is that we are not doing anything about it. On a daily basis we are being told, you cant do this and you may not do that. So perhaps we deserve that noose being tightened litle by little. It is a pet hate of mine, being governed to death.
Outofafrica: Hi Patmac The sad thing is that we are not doing anything about it. On a daily basis we are being told, you cant do this and you may not do that. So perhaps we deserve that noose being tightened litle by little. It is a pet hate of mine, being governed to death.
Yep maybe it's time the silent majority spoke up and put the P.C. mob and pressure groups back where they belong in the MINORITY..
patmac: I see your thinking of making a start in Italy Good morning again
No Pat just kidding got all the red tape and beurocracy I can stomach right here EU my Eye... Need a passport to by a friggin freezer here and they say this isnt a communist country any more.. But as with all countries joe Bloggs just gets on with it .. What else can one and I mean 1 person do . People will sit in cafes, bars and resteraunts till Dooms day complaining but no-one will join together and fight for their beliefs as it has been drummed out of us, It is NOT PC to have an opinion or a mind to speak Freely
Englishman55: Hey Pat, I live in a country renowned for it's red tape, beuracracy and overpowering government, but it's also full of a people who are self centred and arrogant with a belief in personal freedom.
For all their faults, the Italians just get on with their daily lives, doing what they want to do, when they want to do it, and basically giving the "finger" salute to the rules as and when the rules don't suit them.
Such an attitude has it's merits. !
Come live in Italy.... it's great
This is quite true of Andalucia as well I think they never really got past the anarchist stage!
patmac: VARIOUS COUNTRIES ARE SEEING THE RIGHTS OF COMMON MAN ERODED UNDER A MULTITUDE OF GUISES. AGREE or DISAGREE???
I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for? Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether Free to go where I want. Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings. Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me. Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like. Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC" Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet. Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be. Free to be a grumpy old tw*t
Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!
I lived in the United States for eleven years and I heard people talking about the amount of freedom they had. I used to tell them that we were all free to do what we were told. Some people think they are free because a President will use the word a lot in his speeches. I worked in Construction(stone mason) and was self employed. I was frustrated by the amount of regulations and permits one had to have in order to proceed with a job. Different borough's had different rules and it all stifled efficiency. When I moved back to Ireland it was no better. Once I had to refill a form because it was deemed to be filled out in the wrong colour of ink by a smirking beurocrat. When I was out socialising one night it was declared that there should be a revolution in Ireland to remove the corrupt trianangle Goverment bankers and developers. It said that would never happen and they all asked my why so. I said most of the polulation would only participate in a revolution if they could be home in time for the tea that evening. Most folks will talk the talk but not walk the walk.
MerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia11,403 posts
todger: I was a biker chic, was never a punk but the older I get seriously rethinking this ANARCHY RULES ! OK
No one can take away your freedom of thought... and does wanting to push the point really matter...
Arrrggg is just us Aussies... we are so laid back.. accepting of almost anything....too damned lazy to go getting all stewed up about anything in particular... gosh it hurts to think...
Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
Merriweather: No one can take away your freedom of thought... and does wanting to push the point really matter...
Arrrggg is just us Aussies... we are so laid back.. accepting of almost anything....too damned lazy to go getting all stewed up about anything in particular... gosh it hurts to think...
Merriweather: No one can take away your freedom of thought... and does wanting to push the point really matter...
Arrrggg is just us Aussies... we are so laid back.. accepting of almost anything....too damned lazy to go getting all stewed up about anything in particular... gosh it hurts to think...
Woooah baby take a chill pill I am joking and
there is a saying you can hang me for what I say ... But you cant hang me for what I think
gleneagle: Now we all might have to bale out greece who's people and Goverment dont want to take the harsh medicine. I think it sets a bad precedent.
we all have freedom to a certain extent. but i dont really know what freedom is! saddam hussain had freedom then lost it cos WE said he was wrong. iran cant have nuclear weapons but WE can. only nation to commit the most hideous crime in history by dropping nuclear bombs? USA oops sorry must have been one of those horrible little islamic countries!
gleneagle: Now we all might have to bale out greece who's people and Goverment dont want to take the harsh medicine. I think it sets a bad precedent.
Is that not the whole point of the EU, to support and help member states? How long before Ireland asks for the same help after its rash overspending during the gold years??
best4ubabeCape Town, Western Cape South Africa107 posts
jimmyl: we all have freedom to a certain extent. but i dont really know what freedom is! saddam hussain had freedom then lost it cos WE said he was wrong. iran cant have nuclear weapons but WE can. only nation to commit the most hideous crime in history by dropping nuclear bombs? USA oops sorry must have been one of those horrible little islamic countries!
jimmyl: we all have freedom to a certain extent. but i dont really know what freedom is! saddam hussain had freedom then lost it cos WE said he was wrong. iran cant have nuclear weapons but WE can. only nation to commit the most hideous crime in history by dropping nuclear bombs? USA oops sorry must have been one of those horrible little islamic countries!
Don't you think there is a world of difference between Iran and other Countries having Nuclear Weapons? Especially with a President,that thinks he has to usher in the Age of the 12th Imam?
rizlared: Is that not the whole point of the EU, to support and help member states? How long before Ireland asks for the same help after its rash overspending during the gold years??
Ireland grasped the nettle prior to the last budget and for once stood up to the powerful unions of a bloated public service. We will need tough budgets all the way through to 2013 to get back to 3% GDP deficit. If Ireland can keep doing the right thing it should be out of the woods but one worries about politicans during an election year in 2012. You are 100% correct about the rash overspending. Goverment policy then was to through money at every group who asked for more as inefficiency grew. The trouble with Greece is that they have not engaged in appropriate fiscal rectitude and I dont see why another country should carry the can for them. It might be a case of dammed if you do and dammed if you don't
Conrad73: Don't you think there is a world of difference between Iran and other Countries having Nuclear Weapons? Especially with a President,that thinks he has to usher in the Age of the 12th Imam?
hiya conrad, i know what your saying but its fact not fiction that we (brtis included) are becoming bullies. if some nation told you how to run the usa would you listen? we are now being governed by an un-elected prime minister. so what happened to democracy in england? an un-elected scot running our country who hates us! do you not think that greed and obesiety has took over us sad westerners?
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DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM(Vote Below)
I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for?
Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether
Free to go where I want.
Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings.
Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me.
Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like.
Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC"
Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet.
Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be.
Free to be a grumpy old tw*t
Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!