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Feb 15, 2010 3:47 AM CSTDO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland, UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts

DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM(Vote Below)

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Government erodes a little every day
17
27%
Government lets us be
1
2%
WE ARE TOLD WHAT WE CAN DO/CAN'T DO
26
41%
It's just right as it is
3
5%
We need a change now
16
25%
Total Votes
63
VARIOUS COUNTRIES ARE SEEING THE RIGHTS OF COMMON MAN ERODED UNDER A MULTITUDE OF GUISES. AGREE or DISAGREE???

I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for?
Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether
Free to go where I want.
Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings.
Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me.
Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like.
Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC"
Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet.
Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be.
Free to be a grumpy old tw*t

Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!
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Feb 15, 2010 3:50 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
todger
todgertodgerSveti Vlas Bourgas Region, Burgas Bulgaria14 Threads 2,054 Posts
patmac: VARIOUS COUNTRIES ARE SEEING THE RIGHTS OF COMMON MAN ERODED UNDER A MULTITUDE OF GUISES. AGREE or DISAGREE???

I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for?
Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether
Free to go where I want.
Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings.
Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me.
Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like.
Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC"
Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet.
Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be.
Free to be a grumpy old tw*t

Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!



peace I Agree totaly Pat so when do we go to WAR !devil grin

Good Morning to you hug
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Feb 15, 2010 3:52 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
patmac: VARIOUS COUNTRIES ARE SEEING THE RIGHTS OF COMMON MAN ERODED UNDER A MULTITUDE OF GUISES. AGREE or DISAGREE???

I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for?
Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether
Free to go where I want.
Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings.
Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me.
Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like.
Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC"
Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet.
Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be.
Free to be a grumpy old tw*t

Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!
You have a WORLD-PASSPORT?confused
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Feb 15, 2010 3:53 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
It sure is a slow erosion of our freedoms .....thumbs down very mad

see "Freedom To Choose" ....... join up now !!!!

Well, if you choose to that is .....bowing

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Feb 15, 2010 4:04 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
best4ubabe
best4ubabebest4ubabeCape Town, Western Cape South Africa11 Threads 107 Posts
patmac: VARIOUS COUNTRIES ARE SEEING THE RIGHTS OF COMMON MAN ERODED UNDER A MULTITUDE OF GUISES. AGREE or DISAGREE???

I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for?
Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether
Free to go where I want.
Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings.
Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me.
Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like.
Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC"
Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet.
Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be.
Free to be a grumpy old tw*t

Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!
I thought freedom was not doing what you wish but doing what ought!
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Feb 15, 2010 4:04 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
Blues63
Blues63Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
"When tyranny comes to the West, they will call it Freedom"

George Orwell


help
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Feb 15, 2010 4:05 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
Englishman55
Englishman55Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK31 Threads 2 Polls 6,405 Posts
Hey Pat,
I live in a country renowned for it's red tape, beuracracy and overpowering government, but it's also full of a people who are self centred and arrogant with a belief in personal freedom.

For all their faults, the Italians just get on with their daily lives, doing what they want to do, when they want to do it, and basically giving the "finger" salute to the rules as and when the rules don't suit them.

Such an attitude has it's merits. ! yay

Come live in Italy.... it's great yay

cheers
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Feb 15, 2010 4:05 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
todger: I Agree totaly Pat so when do we go to WAR !

Good Morning to you
I see your thinking of making a start in Italyapplause applause cool Good morning again
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Feb 15, 2010 4:10 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
Tulefel
TulefelTulefelGöteborg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden24 Threads 1 Polls 2,848 Posts
I think one has as much freedom as one is prepared to pay for it. With paying I don’t mean money only, though freedom is most expensive luxury ever, but ever other “commodity”: your time, energy, health, perhaps life...

No one ever will give you your freedom. It’s up to you how much you are willing to struggle for.
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Feb 15, 2010 4:47 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
Outofafrica
OutofafricaOutofafricaPerth, Western Australia Australia5 Threads 1,296 Posts
Hi Patmac
The sad thing is that we are not doing anything about it. On a daily basis we are being told, you cant do this and you may not do that. So perhaps we deserve that noose being tightened litle by little. It is a pet hate of mine, being governed to death. frustrated frustrated frustrated
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Feb 15, 2010 4:58 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Outofafrica: Hi Patmac
The sad thing is that we are not doing anything about it. On a daily basis we are being told, you cant do this and you may not do that. So perhaps we deserve that noose being tightened litle by little. It is a pet hate of mine, being governed to death.
Yep maybe it's time the silent majority spoke up and put the P.C. mob and pressure groups back where they belong in the MINORITY..very mad very mad
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Feb 15, 2010 5:00 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
todger
todgertodgerSveti Vlas Bourgas Region, Burgas Bulgaria14 Threads 2,054 Posts
patmac: I see your thinking of making a start in Italy Good morning again


No Pat just kidding got all the red tape and beurocracy I can stomach right here EU my Eye... Need a passport to by a friggin freezer here and they say this isnt a communist country any more.. But as with all countries joe Bloggs just gets on with it .. What else can one and I mean 1 person do conversing . People will sit in cafes, bars and resteraunts till Dooms day complaining but no-one will join together and fight for their beliefs as it has been drummed out of us, It is NOT PC to have an opinion or a mind to speak Freely devil
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Feb 15, 2010 5:11 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
campoqueen
campoqueencampoqueenmalaga, Andalusia Spain4 Threads 1 Polls 481 Posts
Englishman55: Hey Pat,
I live in a country renowned for it's red tape, beuracracy and overpowering government, but it's also full of a people who are self centred and arrogant with a belief in personal freedom.

For all their faults, the Italians just get on with their daily lives, doing what they want to do, when they want to do it, and basically giving the "finger" salute to the rules as and when the rules don't suit them.

Such an attitude has it's merits. !

Come live in Italy.... it's great


This is quite true of Andalucia as well I think they never really got past the anarchist stage!
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Feb 15, 2010 5:16 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
The bigger the State-Conglomerates become,the less Freedom we'll have!
EU is a perfect example!uh oh
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Feb 15, 2010 5:18 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
todger
todgertodgerSveti Vlas Bourgas Region, Burgas Bulgaria14 Threads 2,054 Posts
campoqueen: This is quite true of Andalucia as well I think they never really got past the anarchist stage!


I was a biker chic, was never a punk but the older I get seriously rethinking this ANARCHY RULES ! OK laugh head banger
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Feb 15, 2010 5:35 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
gleneagle
gleneaglegleneagleNew York City, New York USA36 Threads 3 Polls 1,147 Posts
patmac: VARIOUS COUNTRIES ARE SEEING THE RIGHTS OF COMMON MAN ERODED UNDER A MULTITUDE OF GUISES. AGREE or DISAGREE???

I want to be FREE!!!!!!!!!!! Is that too much to ask for?
Free to speak my mind before I lose it altogether
Free to go where I want.
Free to act the idiot without hurting anyone or anybodies feelings.
Free to have a pee behind a tree, where nobody sees me.
Free to mix with folks I like, not be told I should be sociable with everybody including those I don't like.
Free to name my dog anything I want, and not be told "Its not PC"
Free to be able to believe in my own religion, and not what some other person is trying to ram down my gullet.
Free to not be tolerant if I dont want to be.
Free to be a grumpy old tw*t

Do you think there's a constitution to cover these few points, if not, we need one!!!!

I lived in the United States for eleven years and I heard people talking about the amount of freedom they had. I used to tell them that we were all free to do what we were told. Some people think they are free because a President will use the word a lot in his speeches. I worked in Construction(stone mason) and was self employed. I was frustrated by the amount of regulations and permits one had to have in order to proceed with a job. Different borough's had different rules and it all stifled
efficiency. When I moved back to Ireland it was no better. Once I had to refill a form because it was deemed to be filled out in the wrong colour of ink by a smirking beurocrat.
When I was out socialising one night it was declared that there should be a revolution in Ireland to remove the corrupt trianangle Goverment bankers and developers. It said that would never happen and they all asked my why so.
I said most of the polulation would only participate in a revolution if they could be home in time for the tea that evening. Most folks will talk the talk but not walk the walk.
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Feb 15, 2010 5:37 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
todger: I was a biker chic, was never a punk but the older I get seriously rethinking this ANARCHY RULES ! OK



No one can take away your freedom of thought... and does wanting to push the point really matter...

Arrrggg is just us Aussies... we are so laid back.. accepting of almost anything....too damned lazy to go getting all stewed up about anything in particular... gosh it hurts to think...doh



peace peace peace
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Feb 15, 2010 5:39 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
Englishman55
Englishman55Englishman55Salisbury, Wiltshire, England UK31 Threads 2 Polls 6,405 Posts
Merriweather: No one can take away your freedom of thought... and does wanting to push the point really matter...

Arrrggg is just us Aussies... we are so laid back.. accepting of almost anything....too damned lazy to go getting all stewed up about anything in particular... gosh it hurts to think...

Not gonna say the obvious here, either rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 15, 2010 5:46 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
todger
todgertodgerSveti Vlas Bourgas Region, Burgas Bulgaria14 Threads 2,054 Posts
Merriweather: No one can take away your freedom of thought... and does wanting to push the point really matter...

Arrrggg is just us Aussies... we are so laid back.. accepting of almost anything....too damned lazy to go getting all stewed up about anything in particular... gosh it hurts to think...


Woooah baby take a chill pill wow I am joking and

there is a saying you can hang me for what I say ... But you cant hang me for what I think wink grin

Pri ya ten den !peace have a nice day yay
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Feb 15, 2010 5:51 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
gleneagle
gleneaglegleneagleNew York City, New York USA36 Threads 3 Polls 1,147 Posts
Conrad73: The bigger the State-Conglomerates become,the less Freedom we'll have!
EU is a perfect example!

Now we all might have to bale out greece who's people and Goverment dont want to take the harsh medicine. I think it sets a bad precedent.
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Feb 15, 2010 6:00 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
jimmyl
jimmyljimmyldurham, Durham, England UK18 Threads 335 Posts
gleneagle: Now we all might have to bale out greece who's people and Goverment dont want to take the harsh medicine. I think it sets a bad precedent.

we all have freedom to a certain extent. but i dont really know what freedom is! saddam hussain had freedom then lost it cos WE said he was wrong. iran cant have nuclear weapons but WE can. only nation to commit the most hideous crime in history by dropping nuclear bombs? USA oops sorry must have been one of those horrible little islamic countries!
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Feb 15, 2010 6:01 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
rizlaredonline today!
rizlaredonline today!rizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
gleneagle: Now we all might have to bale out greece who's people and Goverment dont want to take the harsh medicine. I think it sets a bad precedent.


Is that not the whole point of the EU, to support and help member states?
How long before Ireland asks for the same help after its rash overspending during the gold years??
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Feb 15, 2010 6:09 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
best4ubabe
best4ubabebest4ubabeCape Town, Western Cape South Africa11 Threads 107 Posts
jimmyl: we all have freedom to a certain extent. but i dont really know what freedom is! saddam hussain had freedom then lost it cos WE said he was wrong. iran cant have nuclear weapons but WE can. only nation to commit the most hideous crime in history by dropping nuclear bombs? USA oops sorry must have been one of those horrible little islamic countries!
I heard USA borrowed from China recently!!!!
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Feb 15, 2010 6:15 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
gleneagle: Now we all might have to bale out greece who's people and Goverment dont want to take the harsh medicine. I think it sets a bad precedent.
Don't worry,the European Central Bank will take the skin off every-ones back,to make the Fellows in Brussels look good!grin
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Feb 15, 2010 6:18 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
jimmyl: we all have freedom to a certain extent. but i dont really know what freedom is! saddam hussain had freedom then lost it cos WE said he was wrong. iran cant have nuclear weapons but WE can. only nation to commit the most hideous crime in history by dropping nuclear bombs? USA oops sorry must have been one of those horrible little islamic countries!
Don't you think there is a world of difference between Iran and other Countries having Nuclear Weapons?
Especially with a President,that thinks he has to usher in the Age of the 12th Imam?confused
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Feb 15, 2010 6:18 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
gleneagle
gleneaglegleneagleNew York City, New York USA36 Threads 3 Polls 1,147 Posts
rizlared: Is that not the whole point of the EU, to support and help member states?
How long before Ireland asks for the same help after its rash overspending during the gold years??

Ireland grasped the nettle prior to the last budget and for once stood up to the powerful unions of a bloated public service.
We will need tough budgets all the way through to 2013 to get back to 3% GDP deficit. If Ireland can keep doing the right thing it should be out of the woods but one worries about politicans during an election year in 2012. You are 100% correct about the rash overspending. Goverment policy then was to through money at every group who asked for more as inefficiency grew.
The trouble with Greece is that they have not engaged in appropriate fiscal rectitude and I dont see why another country should carry the can for them. It might be a case of dammed if you do and dammed if you don't
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Feb 15, 2010 6:49 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
Yes we have the freedom to pay taxes in order to support the politicans in the custom to which they're used to living.laugh laugh
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Feb 15, 2010 6:56 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
somechick: I'm just in a real good mood today.Would you perfer I be cranky?
sigh Well,it's the Truth,ain't it?uh oh






















laugh
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Feb 15, 2010 7:01 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
todger
todgertodgerSveti Vlas Bourgas Region, Burgas Bulgaria14 Threads 2,054 Posts
Conrad73: Well,it's the Truth,ain't it?


You missed one Conrad they used to tax you on how many windows you had in your home in the UK. So many windows were bricked up frustrated
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Feb 15, 2010 7:01 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
jimmyl
jimmyljimmyldurham, Durham, England UK18 Threads 335 Posts
Conrad73: Don't you think there is a world of difference between Iran and other Countries having Nuclear Weapons?
Especially with a President,that thinks he has to usher in the Age of the 12th Imam?

hiya conrad,
i know what your saying but its fact not fiction that we (brtis included) are becoming bullies. if some nation told you how to run the usa would you listen? we are now being governed by an un-elected prime minister. so what happened to democracy in england? an un-elected scot running our country who hates us! do you not think that greed and obesiety has took over us sad westerners?
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Feb 15, 2010 7:02 AM CST DO we as citizens of this world have FREEDOM
Conrad73: Well,it's the Truth,ain't it?



Can't deny it's not.laugh
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