Should forms of torture be permitted against key figures in the war on terror? (61)
rapid14u: #1: NO - Any form of torture is inhumane, and that is what matters of the absolute most.
#2: YES - Key targets who withhold information that would lead to successful attacks and subsequent deaths of thousands of innocent civilians absolutely justifies the use of torture against you.
#3: YES - Terrorists are subhuman, therefore humanity isn't an issue.Just wondering what everyone out there thinks?
sure why not they do it to there victims moms dads kids they dont care who they hurt so why should we care if we are getting info to stop there kind DO IT they are just less than animals anyway .#2: YES - Key targets who withhold information that would lead to successful attacks and subsequent deaths of thousands of innocent civilians absolutely justifies the use of torture against you.
#3: YES - Terrorists are subhuman, therefore humanity isn't an issue.Just wondering what everyone out there thinks?
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Depends on what is m meant by torture. Some liberals would say that withholding ketchup for their fries would be considered torture.
If s liberals child was kidnapped by someone, and that person was caught, and the child was not recovered, you can bet your weekly paycheck they would want whatever done to find out where the child was.
But as far as terrorists, the only reason they cry torture, is to make it political,,, to make the other side look bad,,
And it's military soldiers dying,,, people they hate anyway.. so it's no big deal,,
Me,, do what needs to be done to get info, before using a pig blood coated bullet on them...
Technically, they are spies, that in war time, are shot.
If you read the Geneva Convention, they are not covered under it..
If s liberals child was kidnapped by someone, and that person was caught, and the child was not recovered, you can bet your weekly paycheck they would want whatever done to find out where the child was.
But as far as terrorists, the only reason they cry torture, is to make it political,,, to make the other side look bad,,
And it's military soldiers dying,,, people they hate anyway.. so it's no big deal,,
Me,, do what needs to be done to get info, before using a pig blood coated bullet on them...
Technically, they are spies, that in war time, are shot.
If you read the Geneva Convention, they are not covered under it..
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Impact: Depends on what is m meant by torture.
Serious torture interrogation techniques.
Waterboarding.
Starvation.
Humiliation.
Long-term solitary confinement.
Things that have been proven to cause long-term physical and psychological damages, short of death.
Or, for that matter, sometimes leading to death from complications which arose from said techniques.
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Should forms of torture be permitted against key figures in the war on terror?
YES....torture the president!!!....
YES....torture the president!!!....
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jlw45: Should forms of torture be permitted against key figures in the war on terror?
YES....torture the president!!!....
YES....torture the president!!!....
You mean,,, make him live with Hilliary Klinton? Oh man.. that would be torture..
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jlw45: Should forms of torture be permitted against key figures in the war on terror?
YES....torture the president!!!....
YES....torture the president!!!....
This is not a thread for jokes.
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Impact: You mean,,, make him live with Hilliary Klinton? Oh man.. that would be torture..
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rapid14u: Serious torture interrogation techniques.
Waterboarding.
Starvation.
Humiliation.
Long-term solitary confinement.
Things that have been proven to cause long-term physical and psychological damages, short of death.Or, for that matter, sometimes leading to death from complications which arose from said techniques.
Waterboarding.
Starvation.
Humiliation.
Long-term solitary confinement.
Things that have been proven to cause long-term physical and psychological damages, short of death.Or, for that matter, sometimes leading to death from complications which arose from said techniques.
Wasn't what I was thinking of as torture,, but if these childish techniques work,,, go for it,,,
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Impact: childish techniques
If you support them, that's fine, I have no objection myself- But suggesting they are childish is foolery.
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rapid14u: This is not a thread for jokes.
ooooh....sorry sixpac...i'll leave you to your cloak and dagger stuff now....i know it can be ruff outgrowing dungeons and dragons...
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rapid14u: Nothing is sacred anymore, it would seem.
.... your faux sixpac, or torture ??
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rapid14u: I consider this a serious issue.
I had hoped people could reciprocate.
I had hoped people could reciprocate.
i'm sorry...your right...it is a serious issue...
i say no torture....just hang 'em....
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Torture is what is to be expected before death.
We all suffer. Some lives will pass fast and some will last forever.
Terrorist are people who do not know any better.
They are screaming all over this world in pain and suffering.
If this world can not share the pain of each other, we are all lost together.
We all suffer. Some lives will pass fast and some will last forever.
Terrorist are people who do not know any better.
They are screaming all over this world in pain and suffering.
If this world can not share the pain of each other, we are all lost together.
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NAKEDMUDPEOPLE: Torture is what is to be expected before death.
We all suffer. Some lives will pass fast and some will last forever.
Terrorist are people who do not know any better.
They are screaming all over this world in pain and suffering.
If this world can not share the pain of each other, we are all lost together.
i'm sorry but, i tend to desagree with that...in that, i don't believe they are "screaming all over this world in pain and suffering".......sorry, i don't buy that...We all suffer. Some lives will pass fast and some will last forever.
Terrorist are people who do not know any better.
They are screaming all over this world in pain and suffering.
If this world can not share the pain of each other, we are all lost together.
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I think that physical torture is totally uncivilised and it is well documented that it has limited effectiveness. The countries that allow their authorities to use that aren't places you want to live.
Are we talking proven guilty terrorists or just suspects? Proven mass murderers deserve what they get but you can't go around torturing people.
Are we talking proven guilty terrorists or just suspects? Proven mass murderers deserve what they get but you can't go around torturing people.
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Leo78: I think that physical torture is totally uncivilised and it is well documented that it has limited effectiveness. The countries that allow their authorities to use that aren't places you want to live.
Are we talking proven guilty terrorists or just suspects? Proven mass murderers deserve what they get but you can't go around torturing people.
Are we talking proven guilty terrorists or just suspects? Proven mass murderers deserve what they get but you can't go around torturing people.
do you honestly think think the government where you live is above that ?...governments all over the world practice such actions....you say it's totally uncivilized but seem to be an advocate for it if they are mas murderers...would it not be uncivilized to giving them there due ?....i'm just making an observation for the sake of discussion...------ This poll is Archived ------
jlw45: do you honestly think think the government where you live is above that ?...governments all over the world practice such actions....you say it's totally uncivilized but seem to be an advocate for it if they are mas murderers...would it not be uncivilized to giving them there due ?....i'm just making an observation for the sake of discussion...
Yes i am sure that within this country state sanctioned torture doesn't take place. Australia as opposed to Texas. Maybe we still have a few old school cops who knows? What happens when our army is fighting OS may be a different story but that is war. War is war, same as it's always been.
If, for instance, a terrorist who has been PROVEN a murderer is deemed to have information that might save lives then i have no problem with that person being tortured for the greater good. Those people are a waste of oxygen anyway.
Aren't there drugs that can be used to make people talk?
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To torture anyone is very uncivilised and should not be condoned by any country, EVER, nor under any circumstance. Hopefully they would be caught and tried in a court of law and punished. Otherwise, we are no better, was going to say animals - but that would not be right as they do not behave in such a horrific manner.
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Leo78: Are we talking proven guilty terrorists or just suspects? Proven mass murderers deserve what they get but you can't go around torturing people.
Specifically the use of torture against a small number of positively identified high-level terrorists.
I'm not at all suggesting we just go around torturing people on whims, nor is that the way we do it anyhow.
There isn't any point in torturing someone like a mass murderer, because it doesn't gain you anything useful.
A 'key target' terrorist is going to have intimate knowledge of plans-in-action that can be prevented, thereby saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of innocent bystanders.
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Outofafrica: Hopefully they would be caught and tried in a court of law and punished.
That should, and does happen.
The point standing, however, is that even if that person is tried in court, and sentenced to life in prison, it still does not mean that he or she will give up the kind of information that could prevent something like the 9/11 attacks.
If we know a person has knowledge that could save hundreds or thousands of people, to what extent should we go to in order to ascertain that information?
Do we ask politely?
Do we think that prison is enough to make them talk?
Hardly, in either case.
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Should forms of torture be permitted against key figures in the war on terror?
Disagree with any form of torture, but would have to admit that I would smile a little seeing Bush and Rumsfeld waterboarded....
Are they 'key' enough figures for you ?
Disagree with any form of torture, but would have to admit that I would smile a little seeing Bush and Rumsfeld waterboarded....
Are they 'key' enough figures for you ?
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My own personal opinion is that these people are lower than a snakes belly.If EXTRACTING information is going to save the lives of thousands of innocent people, then I say yes.
All those that say NO, just think of the following:
A terrorist is held and is suspected to know of an upcoming terrorist act in ..... (insert your home town/city)and because of the do-gooders or naysayers, he doesn't give up the information.
The attack goes ahead, YOU lose your family in that attack and then you find out that he knew all along, but wouldn't give up the information that could have prevented the act from going ahead.
Now how do you feel about using whatever could be used to extract that information?
These people, to me, have no case of obeying the human rights act for them. Yes, we are supposed to be civilized and play by the 'rules'...but in some instances, those rules have to be ignored to save lives of thousands of innocent people.
All those that say NO, just think of the following:
A terrorist is held and is suspected to know of an upcoming terrorist act in ..... (insert your home town/city)and because of the do-gooders or naysayers, he doesn't give up the information.
The attack goes ahead, YOU lose your family in that attack and then you find out that he knew all along, but wouldn't give up the information that could have prevented the act from going ahead.
Now how do you feel about using whatever could be used to extract that information?
These people, to me, have no case of obeying the human rights act for them. Yes, we are supposed to be civilized and play by the 'rules'...but in some instances, those rules have to be ignored to save lives of thousands of innocent people.
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vinny1967: Should forms of torture be permitted against key figures in the war on terror?
Disagree with any form of torture, but would have to admit that I would smile a little seeing Bush and Rumsfeld waterboarded....
Are they 'key' enough figures for you ?
Disagree with any form of torture, but would have to admit that I would smile a little seeing Bush and Rumsfeld waterboarded....
Are they 'key' enough figures for you ?
You took the words out of my mouth Vin, its the politicians who put peoples lives on the line should be subjected to any tortures
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Outofafrica: To torture anyone is very uncivilised and should not be condoned by any country, EVER, nor under any circumstance. Hopefully they would be caught and tried in a court of law and punished. Otherwise, we are no better, was going to say animals - but that would not be right as they do not behave in such a horrific manner.
So if someone kidnapped your child and was caught and said that your child was buried alive with 2 hours left to live and wouldn't tell you where they were...you wouldn't do ir have done to them anything it took to get that information?
I don't condone torture...but in a situation where there is NO DOUBT the person has info that would save lives... I would say do what it takes to get that info.
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Steve5721: My own personal opinion is that these people are lower than a snakes belly.If EXTRACTING information is going to save the lives of thousands of innocent people, then I say yes.
All those that say NO, just think of the following:
A terrorist is held and is suspected to know of an upcoming terrorist act in ..... (insert your home town/city)and because of the do-gooders or naysayers, he doesn't give up the information.
The attack goes ahead, YOU lose your family in that attack and then you find out that he knew all along, but wouldn't give up the information that could have prevented the act from going ahead.
Now how do you feel about using whatever could be used to extract that information?
These people, to me, have no case of obeying the human rights act for them. Yes, we are supposed to be civilized and play by the 'rules'...but in some instances, those rules have to be ignored to save lives of thousands of innocent people.
All those that say NO, just think of the following:
A terrorist is held and is suspected to know of an upcoming terrorist act in ..... (insert your home town/city)and because of the do-gooders or naysayers, he doesn't give up the information.
The attack goes ahead, YOU lose your family in that attack and then you find out that he knew all along, but wouldn't give up the information that could have prevented the act from going ahead.
Now how do you feel about using whatever could be used to extract that information?
These people, to me, have no case of obeying the human rights act for them. Yes, we are supposed to be civilized and play by the 'rules'...but in some instances, those rules have to be ignored to save lives of thousands of innocent people.
I disagree with 'any' form of torture Steve.
The problem I have with it is, who decides who gets tortured ?
Thats a lot of power to be giving to people, who are only human.
Innocent people have been tortured, because people have made mistakes.
The same question you used can be turned around. How would you feel if your wife/ sister/ mother were tortured, because someone 'thought' they knew something......
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trish123: You took the words out of my mouth Vin, its the politicians who put peoples lives on the line should be subjected to any tortures
Hiya Hon........
Well you know my feelings...
Their 'war on terror' is not winable, especially they way they are going about it. How's you ?
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vinny1967:
The same question you used can be turned around. How would you feel if your wife/ sister/ mother were tortured, because someone 'thought' they knew something......
The same question you used can be turned around. How would you feel if your wife/ sister/ mother were tortured, because someone 'thought' they knew something......
But my family are not terrorists! However, I do see your point Vinny and to be VERY honest with you...I would hate them enough to let it happen. If they had terrorist links, they would not belong to my family..as harsh as that may sound.
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Should forms of torture be permitted against key figures in the war on terror?(Vote Below)
#2: YES - Key targets who withhold information that would lead to successful attacks and subsequent deaths of thousands of innocent civilians absolutely justifies the use of torture against you.
#3: YES - Terrorists are subhuman, therefore humanity isn't an issue.
Just wondering what everyone out there thinks?