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Mar 15, 2008 11:06 AM CSTSophie's Choice -------of sorts

Sophie's Choice -------of sorts(Vote Below)

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Burn the FLAG
26
57%
Burn the CONSTITUTION
20
43%
Total Votes
46
There has been much in the news here in the USA not too long ago about "Flag Desecration". In fact, there was even a bill before congress to pass a law banning burning or otherwise defacing the flag. The bill failed by only one vote as I recall. Now I would like to pose a question primarily to Americans but open to anybody.
If an envoy from another planet or galaxy came to earth with the power to lay waste to our entire world, kind of like KLATU from the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" and said "In order to save your world you must destroy, by fire, one of these two things." Which would you choose?

And why?

One more proviso, the destruction must be performed, by YOU, on global TV where billions of people will witness the act. This is just to prevent you from saying later "I didn't do it."
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Mar 15, 2008 11:06 AM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
There has been much in the news here in the USA not too long ago about "Flag Desecration". In fact, there was even a bill before congress to pass a law banning burning or otherwise defacing the flag. The bill failed by only one vote as I recall. Now I would like to pose a question primarily to Americans but open to anybody.
If an envoy from another planet or galaxy came to earth with the power to lay waste to our entire world, kind of like KLATU from the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" and said "In order to save your world you must destroy, by fire, one of these two things." Which would you choose?

And why?

One more proviso, the destruction must be performed, by YOU, on global TV where billions of people will witness the act. This is just to prevent you from saying later "I didn't do it."
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Mar 15, 2008 11:10 AM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
KrazieStill
KrazieStillKrazieStillChardon, Ohio USA18 Threads 5,214 Posts
ooby_dooby: There has been much in the news here in the USA not too long ago about "Flag Desecration". In fact, there was even a bill before congress to pass a law banning burning or otherwise defacing the flag. The bill failed by only one vote as I recall. Now I would like to pose a question primarily to Americans but open to anybody.
If an envoy from another planet or galaxy came to earth with the power to lay waste to our entire world, kind of like KLATU from the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" and said "In order to save your world you must destroy, by fire, one of these two things." Which would you choose?

And why?

One more proviso, the destruction must be performed, by YOU, on global TV where billions of people will witness the act. This is just to prevent you from saying later "I didn't do it."


Light the constitution and burn the flag with it. Now the rest of the story. Our planet is saved. The flag and constitution will still stand for freedom and democracy--it is more than words on paper or number 3 colored thred and 1000 count PSI material.

Oh yea, I'm now a hero. banana
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Mar 15, 2008 11:53 AM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
shipoker55
shipoker55shipoker55St. Petersburg, Florida USA256 Threads 2 Polls 12,797 Posts
KrazieStill: Light the constitution and burn the flag with it. Now the rest of the story. Our planet is saved. The flag and constitution will still stand for freedom and democracy--it is more than words on paper or number 3 colored thred and 1000 count PSI material.

Oh yea, I'm now a hero.


I agree who heartedly!! Paper and cloth isn't what a country is about. it's courage, hearts and souls!!
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Mar 15, 2008 2:23 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
Wow, 30 views, no votes and 2 rather interesting comments.

I guess serious topics are are a waste of times on a dating site. Oh well, somebody start a new word association or would you xxxxx the one above you thread. Or how about
"Obama for president...also."? followed by
"Obama for president ....maybe." Or
"Obama for president ...I dont think so."



sigh
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Mar 15, 2008 2:29 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
bajanblue
bajanbluebajanblueSpeightstown, Saint Peter Barbados388 Threads 1 Polls 4,670 Posts
KrazieStill: Light the constitution and burn the flag with it. Now the rest of the story. Our planet is saved. The flag and constitution will still stand for freedom and democracy--it is more than words on paper or number 3 colored thred and 1000 count PSI material.

Oh yea, I'm now a hero.


thumbs up Spirit is indestructibleyay
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Mar 15, 2008 2:32 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
bajanblue
bajanbluebajanblueSpeightstown, Saint Peter Barbados388 Threads 1 Polls 4,670 Posts
ooby_dooby: Wow, 30 views, no votes and 2 rather interesting comments.

I guess serious topics are are a waste of times on a dating site. Oh well, somebody start a new word association or would you xxxxx the one above you thread. Or how about
"Obama for president...also."? followed by
"Obama for president ....maybe." Or
"Obama for president ...I dont think so."


Only two options in a poll offers no true choice for opinion. Even the politicians put up more than one candidate.comfort
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Mar 15, 2008 2:34 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
arabella
arabellaarabellaNear Farmington, Maine USA110 Threads 2 Polls 7,814 Posts
ooby_dooby: Wow, 30 views, no votes and 2 rather interesting comments.

I guess serious topics are are a waste of times on a dating site. Oh well, somebody start a new word association or would you xxxxx the one above you thread. Or how about
"Obama for president...also."? followed by
"Obama for president ....maybe." Or
"Obama for president ...I dont think so."


Perhaps it is because the choice is so obvious???

Or, because there are more threads and posts bashing the US government and it seems to me that most forum members have nothing good to say about the US government?

The Constitution and the flag are symbols and cannot be destroyed in the hearts of those who believe.
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Mar 15, 2008 3:02 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
arabella: Perhaps it is because the choice is so obvious???

Or, because there are more threads and posts bashing the US government and it seems to me that most forum members have nothing good to say about the US government?

The Constitution and the flag are symbols and cannot be destroyed in the hearts of those who believe.


The choice may be obvious to you and I was hoping to get votes for both choices to show that people don't all agree on what's worth preserving and what's not. One fellow even suggested burning both.

The flag IS a symbol, the Constitution is NOT. It is a legal document. If a flag is destroyed it can be replaced with another one just as pretty, in fact this country has had many different flags, some with 13 stars some with 48, 49, 50.

Let me stir the pot here.

Why do we pledge allegience to the flag, admittedly nothing more than a symbol? Wouldn't it make more sense to pledge allegience to that which protects us and is the body of all the rights we hold so dear?
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Mar 15, 2008 3:49 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
shipoker55
shipoker55shipoker55St. Petersburg, Florida USA256 Threads 2 Polls 12,797 Posts
even the pledge is symbolic... it really means nothing when people recite it over and over. One reason all the flack over the pledge being taken out of schools never interested me. I pledge allegiance to me...and me only. If I am true to me...I am the best citizen I can be
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Mar 27, 2008 10:09 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
Well, I want to thank all of those who voted in my little poll and also all who posted a comment. With 32 votes it seems there were 16 votes for each choice. Very surprising to me but the most amazing result is the distribution of votes in fact it boggles my mind.

The men voted 71% to burn the flag.
women voted 73% to burn the constitution.

And these results span all ages in both cases. Would anybody care to voice an opinion on why there is such an opposing view between men and women? confused
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Aug 27, 2008 3:46 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
I've decided to bump this thread because this is just too damn important an issue to let die and because there are a lot of new members who haven't voted in this poll.

I would also like to hear some more comments supporting your choice especially from any American who would vote to burn the constitution. If you would set a match to the constitution you must have some good reason to destroy all our rights and our freedoms that our sons and daughters have fought and died for for 100's of years.
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Aug 27, 2008 4:20 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
Spaghetti
SpaghettiSpaghettiGreensboro, North Carolina USA2 Threads 212 Posts
I assumed the wording meant to ask us which one could we do without and imo the answer is simple, the flag, since the constitution has already been torn to shreds.

mumbling
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Aug 27, 2008 4:32 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
arabella
arabellaarabellaNear Farmington, Maine USA110 Threads 2 Polls 7,814 Posts
Ah....

But as in the movie "Sophie's Choice" none of the choices she made turned out to be a way to save her children, her boyfriend or herself.

Sometimes, acts make no difference.

But if I believed there was a tiny chance I could save the planet, I'd burn everything!
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Aug 27, 2008 4:37 PM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK231 Threads 6 Polls 19,911 Posts
ooby_dooby: I've decided to bump this thread because this is just too damn important an issue to let die and because there are a lot of new members who haven't voted in this poll.

I would also like to hear some more comments supporting your choice especially from any American who would vote to burn the constitution. If you would set a match to the constitution you must have some good reason to destroy all our rights and our freedoms that our sons and daughters have fought and died for for 100's of years.


Im surprised at the votes to burn the constitution - Im not subject to it of course but I thought it was pretty good - from what little I know it exists to protect your rights, you have managed to keep guns and the rights that go along with them - lots of other countries have been effectively disarmed dunno

I really dont know enough about this to say more.........
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Mar 4, 2009 4:08 AM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
1304johng
1304johng1304johngchandler, Arizona USA1 Posts
This is am obvious no brainer! The flag truly is only a symbol. It is a symbol of those words and rights that are granted to us by the Constitution. It is the rights that are granted to us by the Constitution that make it alright for them to burn the flag. The flag is truly only a symbol and while it is a emotionally charged and deeply personal symbol to most because of the blood that has been shed for old glory. It is that very same blood that was shed to protect those peoples right to speak their mind in whatever way they wish. While I don't beleive the same way as someone that would burn the flag and i think if they hate this country so much they should just move to afganastan or something, if some wack job moron wants to burn a flag have at it. and I will be one of the first people in line to protect his right to do so. That being said if that say wack job moron tries to burn my flag, I am going to exercise some of those other rights that are guaranted by the constitution and my the lord have mercy on their souls.
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Mar 4, 2009 4:20 AM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA18 Threads 3,725 Posts
ooby_dooby: There has been much in the news here in the USA not too long ago about "Flag Desecration". In fact, there was even a bill before congress to pass a law banning burning or otherwise defacing the flag. The bill failed by only one vote as I recall. Now I would like to pose a question primarily to Americans but open to anybody.
If an envoy from another planet or galaxy came to earth with the power to lay waste to our entire world, kind of like KLATU from the movie "The Day The Earth Stood Still" and said "In order to save your world you must destroy, by fire, one of these two things." Which would you choose?

And why?

One more proviso, the destruction must be performed, by YOU, on global TV where billions of people will witness the act. This is just to prevent you from saying later "I didn't do it."





I picked burn the flag for the simple reason, although I don't support burning it myself, it is a form of expression. It is a way of showing decent of the country, which is one of our main rights as Americans...Freedom of expression.
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Mar 4, 2009 4:24 AM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
Drewski
DrewskiDrewskiOlds, Alberta Canada13 Threads 840 Posts
Flag in a second. It's the constitution that makes the cu9ntry and the flag that represents those who believe in it.
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Mar 4, 2009 4:25 AM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
Mercedes1
Mercedes1Mercedes1Sydney, New South Wales Australia187 Threads 1 Polls 5,732 Posts
Its amazing that we get fined if we burn our flag yet the immigrants here not long ago had streets blocked off and had protection from the police so they could burn some middle eastern flag while in a protest!wave
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Mar 4, 2009 8:40 AM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
Wow, I never thought I'd see this thread again. confused

Have you looked critically at the poll results? Pretty amazing no? I'm heartened to see that there are many people who know what is important and what is not. You only have to look at old newsreels of the marches & rallys in Germany in the 30's as the Nazi party was rising to power or demonstrations in countries around the world by Neo Nazis and skinheads or KKK rallys and what you'll see are flags and symbols and armbands proudly displayed everywhere. You will hear words of hate and exclusion and blame and vows of destruction.

The goal is to get people to worship a symbol, to ingrain this symbol so deep in their brain that they will salivate like Pavloves dog at the sight of it. They will place their hand over their heart and pledge their life to this symbol and follow religeously who-so-ever waves this symbol. Don't think, just obey! That is the message and this message is drilled into our children from the moment they enter school.

There are other symbols of course, corporate logos for example, and one of the oldest and most powerful symbol of all the "cross".

If you find yourself responding to a symbol of any kind be it a cross, flag, logo, or armband, be aware that you are being manipulated at a very deep level.
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Mar 4, 2009 8:48 AM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA99 Threads 20,283 Posts
I agreed with the above. For me, it would be the flag. We have millions of them, so burning just one isn't that big of a deal, and it's only a symbol of our country and what we stand for...and the price we've paid for our Freedom. It's not the memory and history of that. And it's replaceable.

Interesting question, Ooby. wine
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Mar 4, 2009 9:01 AM CST Sophie's Choice -------of sorts
Big_John
Big_JohnBig_JohnOcean Springs, Mississippi USA26 Threads 13,159 Posts
Neither! Period. I wouldn't burn the flag. I wouldn't burn the constitution. There are things you either believe in or you don't. I fought in a war for this country and was willing to give my life. This is no different to me. I would rather die! This is just one man's opinion and choice. Let the earth cease to exist because I wouldn't want to live in a place where my beliefs don't count.

That is my Sophie's Choice.
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