i saw that,so i wondered what the feeling is among southerners in the u.s.a?would you like a c.s.a,or are you happy to be part of the union?p:s,there is no need to tell me that the war is over a LONG time ago,etc! .it's just a poll to guage opinion
I have lived in the south since 1980. I have not put on my grey uniform and strapped on a sword and sacbard the entire time I have been here.
Now before you laugh.... I had two great grand father....one on side of the Union and one on the side Confederacy....that were both Generals.
So I dig around in the right trunk...I can find that uniform and blade.
One stood toe to toe with Pickett Charge at Gettysburg. The other forced Sherman wait to take Atlanta for three months. The family joke on him is....if Jeff Davis had not of relieved him of command, Sherman would still be at the walls of Atlanta today.......
lion131: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqyJrr6o3d0 i saw that,so i wondered what the feeling is among southerners in the u.s.a?would you like a c.s.a,or are you happy to be part of the union?p:s,there is no need to tell me that the war is over a LONG time ago,etc! .it's just a poll to guage opinion
What I don't understand is, if people don't like it here, why don't the leave? I'm sure there is some country in the world that still tolerates the bigotry that the south stood for. This isn't directed at you OP, and I guess I shouldn't have quoted you, but I just wanted to in a sense, quote what I was responding too, not so much at who it is directed too, basically the 12 (so far) that have said CSA.
Do those 12 of you that voted CSA actually believe that what the South was doing was right?
steve6610: This thread is fascinating for me , as an Australian I have an interest in your countries history especially this period of time.
How much was the death of Gen Jackson a major loss for lee at Gettysburg , as I think I recall it left him with a number of junior officers
After Jackson death...the year prior...Lee restructure his corp commanders. He made Hood a corp commander. Hood was Texans. and he had one Texas division and he had regiments from all over the south into the remain 3 divisions. But they fought well together because they respected Hood. Pickett got Jackson's Virgina division. Longstreet was always his right Lee's hand man and had a full corp.
These were all seasoned leaders. They had been together thru the Mexican American war.First two years of the Civil war. Jackson made hole in command team for sure. But what was really lost with Jackson death.....was his on the spot decision making. Jackson could smell a battlefield and shift tactics and strategy like no other, they said.
The other leaders that LEE moved around.....were all expereinced and dedicated to the cause. But they did not have Jackson ability to feel the battle. The great example of that is Jackson getting shot by confederate forces. It is night after a his division made flanking attack that nearly pushed the Union forces from the field. He was scouting that night to see where in the morning he was going to attack. That is when they ran into the Confederate position.
But LEE did not give Jackson a order to plan his morning attack. Jackson did it because it was the right military thing to do... it was his sector of the battlefield....in other words he anticipated Lee ordering him to attack in the morning. They are separated by 15 miles, and Jackson is thinking what he had to do in the morning to meet Lee attack order. Hence he is scouting and prepping for a attack.
That is how Lee and Jackson functioned together. But then you look at Longstreet and Lee. It is different deal. Longstreets want the Pickett Charge order written out. He has fought to keep the frontal attack from happening. He is not going to be blamed for the outcome. Longstreet wants to flank and manauveur at Gettysburg. Lee is sitting there thinking, I got to have one good day....and Davis will send the letter to Lincoln for a cease fire or truce.
Some say if Jackson had been at Gettysburg it would have been different. Maybe on the second day at Little Round top. That kind of fluid fighting, he excelled at. But to lead Pickett Charge, no it would not have matters. The cards were all stack against the success of the charge. It was brave and heroic...like the Charge of the Light Brigade....but a futile and deadly military decision.
Nov 1, 2010 4:13 AM CST what is the feeling among southerners in the u.s about the union?
steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 posts
ttom500: After Jackson death...the year prior...Lee restructure his corp commanders. He made Hood a corp commander. Hood was Texans. and he had one Texas division and he had regiments from all over the south into the remain 3 divisions. But they fought well together because they respected Hood. Pickett got Jackson's Virgina division. Longstreet was always his right Lee's hand man and had a full corp.
These were all seasoned leaders. They had been together thru the Mexican American war.First two years of the Civil war. Jackson made hole in command team for sure. But what was really lost with Jackson death.....was his on the spot decision making. Jackson could smell a battlefield and shift tactics and strategy like no other, they said.
The other leaders that LEE moved around.....were all expereinced and dedicated to the cause. But they did not have Jackson ability to feel the battle. The great example of that is Jackson getting shot by confederate forces. It is night after a his division made flanking attack that nearly pushed the Union forces from the field. He was scouting that night to see where in the morning he was going to attack. That is when they ran into the Confederate position.
But LEE did not give Jackson a order to plan his morning attack. Jackson did it because it was the right military thing to do... it was his sector of the battlefield....in other words he anticipated Lee ordering him to attack in the morning. They are separated by 15 miles, and Jackson is thinking what he had to do in the morning to meet Lee attack order. Hence he is scouting and prepping for a attack.
That is how Lee and Jackson functioned together. But then you look at Longstreet and Lee. It is different deal. Longstreets want the Pickett Charge order written out. He has fought to keep the frontal attack from happening. He is not going to be blamed for the outcome. Longstreet wants to flank and manauveur at Gettysburg. Lee is sitting there thinking, I got to have one good day....and Davis will send the letter to Lincoln for a cease fire or truce.
Some say if Jackson had been at Gettysburg it would have been different. Maybe on the second day at Little Round top. That kind of fluid fighting, he excelled at. But to lead Pickett Charge, no it would not have matters. The cards were all stack against the success of the charge. It was brave and heroic...like the Charge of the Light Brigade....but a futile and deadly military decision.
ttom500: Pretty sure some in south conscripted at the end. I had a family member down here in Florida. He had the fastest horse on county. So late in the war he get a conscription notice to join a calvary unit from Florida.
He does not want to go. The war is ending...and he does not like the idea of getting shot at. The family story is they chased him all over the county the final year of the war. He would run them during the day and till darkness came......he finds a hide or hole....lays the horse on its side and lets the Confederate militia ride by.
I think if you check....most of the southern state used conscription the last two years of the war. Maybe not all. And during the first years of the war, you are right....they all volunteered.
Yes, you are correct. The South finally did resort to conscription. I think, early on, the South was convinced England and other European countries would intervene to "reclaim" their stake in the North American continent. England had a vested interest in the rebellion. As a leading textile producer of that era, they wanted the cheap cotton. When Europe did not intervene the tide of the war began changing. I'm certain during the last years, it became unpopular to join a losing cause.
I know in my home state of Tennessee, many people of that day just wanted the war to be over. During the day they "pretended" to be Confederates and by night would sabotage the Confederate army through various means.
mmichaelm: Yes, you are correct. The South finally did resort to conscription. I think, early on, the South was convinced England and other European countries would intervene to "reclaim" their stake in the North American continent. England had a vested interest in the rebellion. As a leading textile producer of that era, they wanted the cheap cotton. When Europe did not intervene the tide of the war began changing. I'm certain during the last years, it became unpopular to join a losing cause.
I know in my home state of Tennessee, many people of that day just wanted the war to be over. During the day they "pretended" to be Confederates and by night would sabotage the Confederate army through various means.
The European were watching the events of the Civil war very carefully. Each one saw chance to come back to the New World for a bit of the California gold that had been discovers in 49er gold rush. Spain was already there and England had control of the seas. So the overland route was not that interesting to them. Had it they might have entered the war.
But after the Union built a Navy to blockade the Southern ports....things changed on the high seas. It was American clipper ships making the journey to San Francisco. And the great western migration. You had the Franco Prussian war of 1870-1. Britian in the Zulu wars in Africa. A Spanish war. And the Russian Turkish war late in the 1970s. So they were soon looking else were. Which was good for us.
It gave us a decade of recovery time and expansion time.
Like I say...we like Europeans. We just like them over there in Europe.
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