Hiya B.... I chose the third option.. cause its the closest to what I think.... with one qualification... although I think we are all linked and a part of the universe and everything in it.. like a single continium of energy.... I do not think God IS us per se..although I believe he is IN us and is the source of this energy... so although we are very closely linked to God.. he is the Alpha, the Omega, the Source.... Now I am still in the process of understanding all this.. so am not 100% sure in my own mind as to what is 'God'.... Though this is presently what makes most sense to me
I chose the third option and share similar views with what Aries01 posted.
I am not a Christian or a Muslim, but I do like how Jesus and Muhammad stated that we can never understand God if the truth were told to us....it would be too mind blowing and we are not spiritually evolved enough to comprehend the capacity of such a truth considering our paradigms and perceptions of God, our universe, our science, and ourselves.
ps I voted for "a loving ability which we all share" cos I couldnt have two votes - my other one would have been that there isnt one, simply because I dont see much evidence in the world today of "loving ability" - I do see lots of things which keep people divided though
jimbhoy: My DAD is alive and kicking..... not easy being gods boy you know If I had a penny for every time I was asked to do that wine trick........... that wasn't me that was one of his other boys
Aries01: Hiya B.... I chose the third option.. cause its the closest to what I think.... with one qualification... although I think we are all linked and a part of the universe and everything in it.. like a single continium of energy.... I do not think God IS us per se..although I believe he is IN us and is the source of this energy... so although we are very closely linked to God.. he is the Alpha, the Omega, the Source.... Now I am still in the process of understanding all this.. so am not 100% sure in my own mind as to what is 'God'.... Though this is presently what makes most sense to me
good to see u B
In us and the source? seems contradictory orla. I agree in part for myself but have trouble with the contradiction. For discussion's sake (in anology) say it is water and the source is the sea, it is still ALL water?
StressFree: I chose the third option and share similar views with what Aries01 posted.
I am not a Christian or a Muslim, but I do like how Jesus and Muhammad stated that we can never understand God if the truth were told to us....it would be too mind blowing and we are not spiritually evolved enough to comprehend the capacity of such a truth considering our paradigms and perceptions of God, our universe, our science, and ourselves.
It is difficult for sure to pen an understanding but if spiritually evolving to this truth is a factor then questioning is the catalyst.
bajanblueSpeightstown, Saint Peter Barbados3,724 posts
I voted and read so now I will post.
I picked number three.
I once debated well enough with an Anglican bishop and a Jesuit that they agreed that he might be her.
Too bad I forgot the argument I used.
I consider god to be completely separate from religion. We are the ones who need something to believe in, something to worship.
God may or may not have created the Universe and all its contents but I suspect mankind created religion because faith was just too big a jump without the symbols.
BnaturAl: In us and the source? seems contradictory orla. I agree in part for myself but have trouble with the contradiction. For discussion's sake (in anology) say it is water and the source is the sea, it is still ALL water?
.. I knew you would point this out to me..
Can I put it to u this way.... the source of electricity is a generator... the electricity is not the generator(although it is part of it and created by it).. While we share in Gods spirit and energy and he is the source of this.. we are not him.... my flatmate believes that we are God also.. or more that we are co-creators.. I still have to give this much thought... but somehow it just doesn't fit for me.. I think he gave us free will and in a sense we create our destiny, this is a special gift bestowed on us which does not appear present in other members of the animal kingdom.. and I think free will is central to understanding God (or the Universal plan) and unlocking the mystery of why we are all here..., but I think when it comes to the universe and all that is in it.. including us.. I believe that he is the source..
bajanblue: I voted and read so now I will post. I picked number three.
I once debated well enough with an Anglican bishop and a Jesuit that they agreed that he might be her.
Too bad I forgot the argument I used.
I consider god to be completely separate from religion. We are the ones who need something to believe in, something to worship.
God may or may not have created the Universe and all its contents but I suspect mankind created religion because faith was just too big a jump without the symbols.
much like trish's sentiment, so lets eschew the religion aspects and delve into just the god presence.
BnaturAl: this wouldn't work well for a wine lover in the cellar looking for his/her fav livation ...
so what do you mean , there is no label,... no characteristics? no qualities? or no name label?
To try and understand God/Allah is beyond our own ken. We can only understand the human mind, examine nature, but we can know God only through His creation. Instead of knowing Him in terms of images and shapes, we know Him in terms of names, attributes.
The corruption of love comes in its expression. The beauty of the heart is disfigured when words try to describe it.
BnaturAl: much like trish's sentiment, so lets eschew the religion aspects and delve into just the god presence.
do we need to believe, or to accept, or just be?
Oh, AL, I would love to believe, I truly would - but all I see is a world full of greed and manipulations of one form or another sadly
I have no problems believing in the sunrise or the beauty of birth or the electricity of love and emotion - I call these things Essence though.........
Aries01: .. I knew you would point this out to me..
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youre paychic! then you could have saved me the trouble of asking
In response to: Can I put it to u this way.... the source of electricity is a generator... the electricity is not the generator(although it is part of it and created by it).. While we share in Gods spirit and energy and he is the source of this.. we are not him.... my flatmate believes that we are God also.. or more that we are co-creators.. I still have to give this much thought... but somehow it just doesn't fit for me.. I think he gave us free will and in a sense we create our destiny, this is a special gift bestowed on us which does not appear present in other members of the animal kingdom.. and I think free will is central to understanding God (or the Universal plan) and unlocking the mystery of why we are all here..., but I think when it comes to the universe and all that is in it.. including us.. I believe that he is the source
Ok, I gotcha. So here's something to think about, as I do ... you need energy to make a generator, yes?... ya I know its a chicken and the egg conundrum; but ..
I also think, as opposed to believe, that plants and animals have some freewill as well, though it would seem some of their actions are 'conditioned' and so we too behave in conditioned ways. Does a tree turn its leaves to the sun because it wants to or because it knows where life is?
I mean sometimes I wonder if they are not more evolved than us, in a sense that they accept and naturally turn to the life giving force without question, while we MISS that factor ... making sense?
BnaturAl: In us and the source? seems contradictory orla. I agree in part for myself but have trouble with the contradiction. For discussion's sake (in anology) say it is water and the source is the sea, it is still ALL water?
It is not contradictory. We all share the same energy, so in a sense there is some truth to it. A drop to the sea we are...make any sense? It's a Hindu saying that makes sense and should answer your question. We are the drop of water in the air, and the Source is the sea.....
Aries01: .. I knew you would point this out to me..
Can I put it to u this way.... the source of electricity is a generator... the electricity is not the generator(although it is part of it and created by it).. While we share in Gods spirit and energy and he is the source of this.. we are not him.... my flatmate believes that we are God also.. or more that we are co-creators.. I still have to give this much thought... but somehow it just doesn't fit for me.. I think he gave us free will and in a sense we create our destiny, this is a special gift bestowed on us which does not appear present in other members of the animal kingdom.. and I think free will is central to understanding God (or the Universal plan) and unlocking the mystery of why we are all here..., but I think when it comes to the universe and all that is in it.. including us.. I believe that he is the source..
trish123: Its inextricably linked for most folk though Al - a manmade concept so to speak and imbued with all of Mankinds greatest ideals
you right brained ambiguity you .. let them link if they will ... do we need religion to understand/sense god or the concept of?
one thing about religion is the congregational aspect, bringing together greater numbers of people for one common goal,(in prayer or whatever) which I find helpful in attaining goals per say, but not when organizers misuse the intent of communal gathering.
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