In view of the currant disaster in Japan with not 1, 2, or 3, but 4 of the 6 nuclear reactors which are, for all intents and purposes out of control. The disaster at Chernobyl. The near meltdown at 3 Mile Island. The partial meltdown at the Santa Susana plant in CA (you didn't know about that one did you?) and probably other near disasters that have happened but went unreported. Is it time to take a second look at generating electricity by splitting the atom? Is it worth it to risk turning the planet into a nuclear wastland for the sake of enough electricity to waste like there was no tomorrow? Can nuclear power be made fail safe? Wasn't it supposed to be fail safe already?
Buffy327: No it is not worth the risk of turning our planet into a nuclear wasteland. We should focus on Wind and Solar....
This is true . We have plenty of free power to be harnessed . a good sunny day can get you 60 watt/sqft power, enough to run most of the home needs. You replace the old distribution system you can save more than 30% of the power lost while distribution . Can harness Solar power as well. Nuclear power is exremely dangerous .
---- IMAGE REMOVED because photobucket.com no longer allows embedded images ---- Thanks for posting to my thread. I think my next poll will be "which side of your toast do you put your butter on". Should get way more comments. How sad.
There is risk in any form of energy . That plus the fact not all the " Green " energy is aplical to all areas . There are many ways to do this including nuclear . We just have to take a rational approch to it .
jonntLost in the Woods, East Sussex, England UK3,691 posts
ooby_dooby: Thanks for posting to my thread. I think my next poll will be "which side of your toast do you put your butter on". Should get way more comments. How sad.
Are we talking white bread or whole meal here ..
Sorry oooby couldnt resist ,,but i know what you mean ...
Buffy327: No it is not worth the risk of turning our planet into a nuclear wasteland. We should focus on Wind and Solar....
Yes, from Japan crisis I think people can see the risk of nuclear power...
I think we can also save a lot energy...I read a joke the other day in a newspaper:
"we drive a car but always use running machine to practice...why not walk or run to work?" maybe a silly question but this is just a example....human beings should really have some strict rules to save energy in many aspects...so that we can at least reduce the amount of nuclear plant.....JMO
ooby_dooby: Thanks for posting to my thread. I think my next poll will be "which side of your toast do you put your butter on". Should get way more comments. How sad.
People are very busy at this moment solving lots of political issues in other forums .You need to be patient ....
"BOSTON -- Trace amounts of radioactive iodine linked to Japan's crippled nuclear power station have turned up in rainwater samples as far away as Massachusetts during the past week"
"The low level of radioiodine-131 detected in precipitation at a sample location in Massachusetts is comparable to findings in California, Washington state and Pennsylvania and poses no impact to drinking supplies, public health officials said.
Air samples from the same location in Massachusetts have shown no detectable radiation.
"The samples are being collected from more than 100 sites around the country that are part of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's Radiation Network monitoring system."
Gee, I guess all those "whacko" "tree hugging" environmentalists that the right wing gets so much pleasure out of bad mouthing are doing a valuable service for us all.
bollywood: People are very busy at this moment solving lots of political issues in other forums .You need to be patient ....
Wow, Bollywood, we have reached a consensus ....very nice....Well it is a very real subject but most folks don't want to discuss not only change, but anything that may cost a little more money getting the seed planted. I remember 20 years ago when I lived in Tennessee very near TVA, I was always reading the health statistics on families that lived near the reactors....The cancers and children born with major medical problems were statistically higher than areas without radiation....No matter how much safety is imposed, it still is not safe.....
It's early yet lol I didn't know he went BK so often either so we both learned something.
Back to nuclear power.
I was coming home to Virginia from NY and I stopped for a toll booth on the highway and there was a flatbed tractor trailer off to the side with what looked like the wing from a Boeing 474 on it. The thing was over hanging the back of the trailer by about 15 feet and those flatbed trailers are 53 feet long. As I went by slowly trying to see what it actually was it dawned on me, it was 1 blade of a wind turbine. I had no idea those things were that big. A blade that big has a tremendous amount of power.
Another time I went to an air show that was just closing up for the day and there was a WW2 B17 bomber there and I over heard a very concerned party of workers discussing the fact that a storm was coming and they were concerned that the wings of the bomber had so much lift that a very strong gust of wind could lift the empty plane right off the ground. So they parked 2 WW2 jeeps under the wings and strapped the wings to the jeeps to help keep the plane on the groung. Such is the power of wind.
Buffy327: Wow, Bollywood, we have reached a consensus ....very nice....Well it is a very real subject but most folks don't want to discuss not only change, but anything that may cost a little more money getting the seed planted. I remember 20 years ago when I lived in Tennessee very near TVA, I was always reading the health statistics on families that lived near the reactors....The cancers and children born with major medical problems were statistically higher than areas without radiation....No matter how much safety is imposed, it still is not safe.....
Nuclear technology should be limited only of deep space energy requirements . Its extremly dangerous, will have radio active residues with half life spanning millions of years . You are burdening our future generation to safe-keep these wastes as well.Thats pure selfishness.
ooby_dooby: It's early yet lol I didn't know he went BK so often either so we both learned something.
Back to nuclear power.
I was coming home to Virginia from NY and I stopped for a toll booth on the highway and there was a flatbed tractor trailer off to the side with what looked like the wing from a Boeing 474 on it. The thing was over hanging the back of the trailer by about 15 feet and those flatbed trailers are 53 feet long. As I went by slowly trying to see what it actually was it dawned on me, it was 1 blade of a wind turbine. I had no idea those things were that big. A blade that big has a tremendous amount of power.
Another time I went to an air show that was just closing up for the day and there was a WW2 B17 bomber there and I over heard a very concerned party of workers discussing the fact that a storm was coming and they were concerned that the wings of the bomber had so much lift that a very strong gust of wind could lift the empty plane right off the ground. So they parked 2 WW2 jeeps under the wings and strapped the wings to the jeeps to help keep the plane on the groung. Such is the power of wind.
Would be great to phase out Nuclear Power sometime in the Future,but where is the Real Estate to put all that Solar,Wind,etc? And guess who will be the first one to complain when everything is covered by Wind- and Solar Farms?
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
ooby_dooby: Such is the power of wind.
They would have been pretty safe parking the B17 a hundred feet in the air at the back of a wind farm. Not much happening there after the air has been deflected to all over.
jahzahHappyfairygoblinland, Victoria Australia2,574 posts
Albertaghost: Cause at night time when the wind is down and the batteries in your electric car run out and there's no place to fill up.
We are talking modern technology yeah? not that 10yo generator you keep telling 'I don't know what i would do without you'
Some of my cousins are farmers lucky to be chosen to have massive wind power turbines installed on their property, some of them never have to farm again due to the rewards. And yes they still turn in very low wind... Infact each one is able to power 26,000 houses in a year
jahzah: We are talking modern technology yeah? not that 10yo generator you keep telling 'I don't know what i would do without you'
Some of my cousins are farmers lucky to be chosen to have massive wind power turbines installed on their property, some of them never have to farm again due to the rewards. And yes they still turn in very low wind... Infact each one is able to power 26,000 houses in a year
.and the Battery-banks feeding the Inverters are a Sight to see!
Conrad73: Would be great to phase out Nuclear Power sometime in the Future,but where is the Real Estate to put all that Solar,Wind,etc? And guess who will be the first one to complain when everything is covered by Wind- and Solar Farms?
Conrad my friend, I think you over estimate the acreage needed for a wind turbine. The footprint is only about 1/4 acre, about the size a typical house would take up. This area would be totally lost to crop production but why would anybody think that a turbine MUST be located on fertile farm land when there are millions of acres of land unsuitable for growing crops? Here is something I found through google that's pretty interesting even though it's at least 5 years old. I imagine wind power has advanced way beyond this in 5 years.
Mar 29, 2011 8:50 AM CST The Future of Nuclear Power
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
ooby_dooby: In view of the currant disaster in Japan with not 1, 2, or 3, but 4 of the 6 nuclear reactors which are, for all intents and purposes out of control. The disaster at Chernobyl. The near meltdown at 3 Mile Island. The partial meltdown at the Santa Susana plant in CA (you didn't know about that one did you?) and probably other near disasters that have happened but went unreported. Is it time to take a second look at generating electricity by splitting the atom? Is it worth it to risk turning the planet into a nuclear wastland for the sake of enough electricity to waste like there was no tomorrow? Can nuclear power be made fail safe? Wasn't it supposed to be fail safe already?
Take the figure of the people that have died as a result of nuclear power. Compare this figure to the amount that would die if food prices were to increase dramatically, which is what would happen if we were to abandon nuclear power.
Abandoning nuclear power is a non-argument. We'll quietly return to the idea of it being the best solution to our energy problems.
ooby_dooby: In view of the currant disaster in Japan with not 1, 2, or 3, but 4 of the 6 nuclear reactors which are, for all intents and purposes out of control. The disaster at Chernobyl. The near meltdown at 3 Mile Island. The partial meltdown at the Santa Susana plant in CA (you didn't know about that one did you?) and probably other near disasters that have happened but went unreported. Is it time to take a second look at generating electricity by splitting the atom? Is it worth it to risk turning the planet into a nuclear wastland for the sake of enough electricity to waste like there was no tomorrow? Can nuclear power be made fail safe? Wasn't it supposed to be fail safe already?
Nuclear power is a great clean and cheep source of power, however building numerous plants in a country that is in a seismic zone, Tsunami zone etc... Well lets just say we as a planet have had better ideas
ooby_dooby: Conrad my friend, I think you over estimate the acreage needed for a wind turbine. The footprint is only about 1/4 acre, about the size a typical house would take up. This area would be totally lost to crop production but why would anybody think that a turbine MUST be located on fertile farm land when there are millions of acres of land unsuitable for growing crops? Here is something I found through google that's pretty interesting even though it's at least 5 years old. I imagine wind power has advanced way beyond this in 5 years.
ooby_dooby: Conrad my friend, I think you over estimate the acreage needed for a wind turbine. The footprint is only about 1/4 acre, about the size a typical house would take up. This area would be totally lost to crop production but why would anybody think that a turbine MUST be located on fertile farm land when there are millions of acres of land unsuitable for growing crops? Here is something I found through google that's pretty interesting even though it's at least 5 years old. I imagine wind power has advanced way beyond this in 5 years.
ooby_dooby: Thanks for posting to my thread. I think my next poll will be "which side of your toast do you put your butter on". Should get way more comments. How sad.
I prefer the toast buttered on the darker side. It helps mask the burnt taste.
ooby_dooby: In view of the currant disaster in Japan with not 1, 2, or 3, but 4 of the 6 nuclear reactors which are, for all intents and purposes out of control. The disaster at Chernobyl. The near meltdown at 3 Mile Island. The partial meltdown at the Santa Susana plant in CA (you didn't know about that one did you?) and probably other near disasters that have happened but went unreported. Is it time to take a second look at generating electricity by splitting the atom? Is it worth it to risk turning the planet into a nuclear wastland for the sake of enough electricity to waste like there was no tomorrow? Can nuclear power be made fail safe? Wasn't it supposed to be fail safe already?
Nuclear power is dangerous,they have taken every step to make it safe.You can't make any thing 100% safe,their will always be that one in a billion thing that could happen. Take cars for example,they get safer every year,but let someone run into you it will still break,you could still get hurt. I feel like their will be in the future safer means of power,that nuclear power will be done away with.
Conrad73: The REAL fun lies with the Storage Batteries!
What storage batteries? With all due respect I suspect you don't know how an electrical grid works. When a wind turbine goes offline for whatever reason, maintenance/repairs/no wind, other units are online from other locations including nuclear power plants, gas, coal, oil, etc. The whole of America and Canada are interconnected on this electrical grid. There are no storage batteries. This is why the whole northeast had a massive blackout several years ago because the grid went down. Something tells me you already knew that though.
I think nuclear power is a stepping stone to other things. I think history will look back and shake its head over what mavericks we were with our reckless energy source experiments.
ooby_dooby: What storage batteries? With all due respect I suspect you don't know how an electrical grid works. When a wind turbine goes offline for whatever reason, maintenance/repairs/no wind, other units are online from other locations including nuclear power plants, gas, coal, oil, etc. The whole of America and Canada are interconnected on this electrical grid. There are no storage batteries. This is why the whole northeast had a massive blackout several years ago because the grid went down. Something tells me you already knew that though.
There are between the Solar-and Wind-Turbines and the Inverters!
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