Certainly Bin Laden's death seems like a great step towards eliminating major terrorist organization globally - but at what cost ? Was it right that the USA secretly and unilaterally conducted a secret mission without permission of Pakistan. Is the USA exempt from following the rules of foreign invasion for it's priorities and missions ?
jvaski: Certainly Bin Laden's death seems like a great step towards eliminating major terrorist organization globally - but at what cost ?
Millions of Muslims are pissed and not just in the middle east. All I can say is don't go to Chicago. Guess who now owns what was the Sears Tower?
In response to: Was it right that the USA secretly and unilaterally conducted a secret mission without permission of Pakistan.
Mission, yes. Kill him no. They say they shot his wife in the leg. Immobilizing bin laden would have done the job. And put him on trial. A right everyone is supposed to have. Unless of course the PTB decide otherwise, as they did.
In response to: Is the USA exempt from following the rules of foreign invasion for it's priorities and missions ?
Diplomatic immunity at it's finest. Can you say above the law.
Well it's hypocritical to say it, but Osama was an exception to the rule. He is not a head of a sovereign state which makes it easier to assassinate him I suppose. It would have been poetic to put him in a plane without a parachute and then the seals bail out.
The problem now is the precedent that's been set. Palestine better get their state soon or their leadership is in mortal danger.
Paldi5: Well it's hypocritical to say it, but Osama was an exception to the rule. He is not a head of a sovereign state which makes it easier to assassinate him I suppose. It would have been poetic to put him in a plane without a parachute and then the seals bail out.
The problem now is the precedent that's been set. Palestine better get their state soon or their leadership is in mortal danger.
Which exception are you on about P?
Even Saddam got his day in court, as have every other so called terrorist who blew something up and was caught for allegedly doing so.
Even Saddam got his day in court, as have every other so called terrorist who blew something up and was caught for allegedly doing so.
Leaving him alive and trying him would have caused many innocent deaths as his people tried to free him. I would expect terror attacks, kidnappings and such goings on and the trial would take years.
Paldi5: Leaving him alive and trying him would have caused many innocent deaths as his people tried to free him. I would expect terror attacks, kidnappings and such goings on and the trial would take years.
How long it takes would be a moot point if one believes we are all subject to the same law.
And his people freeing him or even trying, would be conjecture me thinks. And that too, would be moot in the eyes of law and right to trial (innocent until proven guilty) as well.
And what innocent deaths are we talking about here. The thousands upon thousands of US, Canadian, Brit, Australian, Muslim men and women who lost their lives already? Or the one's who will lose their lives when revenge takes hold.
The PTB wants 'war' and 'tension' in perpetuity. They have never wanted peace at any cost. That's just a flag they wave to justify the tyranny and loss of life.
If a man kills in your house and runs to another house do you want the police to stop at the door and ask permission to go get him?....esp when the the owners of the house or not capable of doing anything about it.
Once inside if the police are in danger should they defend themselves to complete the task?
Lotta talkin heads..empty heads......people that neither know the facts nor have ever been in a "hot" situation.
BB_snickers: How long it takes would be a moot point if one believes we are all subject to the same law.
And his people freeing him or even trying, would be conjecture me thinks. And that too, would be moot in the eyes of law and right to trial (innocent until proven guilty) as well.
And what innocent deaths are we talking about here. The thousands upon thousands of US, Canadian, Brit, Australian, Muslim men and women who lost their lives already? Or the one's who will lose their lives when revenge takes hold.
The PTB wants 'war' and 'tension' in perpetuity. They have never wanted peace at any cost. That's just a flag they wave to justify the tyranny and loss of life.
May 8, 2011 10:41 AM CST Unilateral Bin Laden Operation
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
jvaski: Certainly Bin Laden's death seems like a great step towards eliminating major terrorist organization globally - but at what cost ? Was it right that the USA secretly and unilaterally conducted a secret mission without permission of Pakistan. Is the USA exempt from following the rules of foreign invasion for it's priorities and missions ?
Permission from Pakistan? Pakistan is bordering on becoming a failed state, it is obvious that their president can't keep order within his own ranks and it is also obvious that the people in Pakistan, to a large degree, do not like the West - contrary to the infantile noise and make-believe of Western Liberals.
It's very logical to conclude that informing the Pakistani authorities of the operation would be as good as informing Osama himself.
They did the right thing, and hopefully now we can pull out of Afghanistan sooner.
The intended question posed was - Does the USA have the right to blast into another country with a secret mission without the permission of that country ?
Paldi5: Well it's hypocritical to say it, but Osama was an exception to the rule. He is not a head of a sovereign state which makes it easier to assassinate him I suppose. It would have been poetic to put him in a plane without a parachute and then the seals bail out.
The problem now is the precedent that's been set. Palestine better get their state soon or their leadership is in mortal danger.
Headed towards the Sears tower in Chicago perhaps?
TrueBlue1986: Permission from Pakistan? Pakistan is bordering on becoming a failed state, it is obvious that their president can't keep order within his own ranks and it is also obvious that the people in Pakistan, to a large degree, do not like the West - contrary to the infantile noise and make-believe of Western Liberals.
It's very logical to conclude that informing the Pakistani authorities of the operation would be as good as informing Osama himself.
They did the right thing, and hopefully now we can pull out of Afghanistan sooner.
Ok, then what if another country blasted into your UK at nite for their own ajenda to kill someone ? How would you react ?
And who decides who is crap or not? When 'above the law' becomes the law, we'll all be killed without trial cos even you would be the target of someone who thinks you're crap. (not me cos I think you're crap I can live with )
I'm surprised with your NWO thought process. Well maybe not.
jvaski: The intended question posed was - Does the USA have the right to blast into another country with a secret mission without the permission of that country ?
Weren't they already there? A technicality (UN?) but the right is implied yes?
jvaski: Certainly Bin Laden's death seems like a great step towards eliminating major terrorist organization globally - but at what cost ? Was it right that the USA secretly and unilaterally conducted a secret mission without permission of Pakistan. Is the USA exempt from following the rules of foreign invasion for it's priorities and missions ?
I very much doubt in all the "news" that we are hearing about Bin Laden and his death
Was he a good guy??? Hell no !!! Look what he`s done to the entire Muslim World, brought hate and shame on them
Now, what exactly is it that we are doing... we support dictatorship and people who manipulate us ...
BB_snickers: Weren't they already there? A technicality (UN?) but the right is implied yes?
No one really seems to know if Pakistan knew we were going in for a kill that nite, or if they truly knew Osama was there.
Don't get me wrong .....inside I said "YES" ! when I heard Osama was killed. But, my concern is how we're viewed by others for for a unilateral operation in another country. Arrogance ?
BB_snickers: And who decides who is crap or not? When 'above the law' becomes the law, we'll all be killed without trial cos even you would be the target of someone who thinks you're crap. (not me cos I think you're crap I can live with ) I'm surprised with your NWO thought process. Well maybe not.
Boban1: I very much doubt in all the "news" that we are hearing about Bin Laden and his death
Was he a good guy??? Hell no !!! Look what he`s done to the entire Muslim World, brought hate and shame on them
Now, what exactly is it that we are doing... we support dictatorship and people who manipulate us ...
I have no doubts that Osama deserved to die..... But by what means ? Is anyone pursuing terrorists allowed their own rights or means to attack them ? Or is it just the USA ?
jvaski: Certainly Bin Laden's death seems like a great step towards eliminating major terrorist organization globally - but at what cost ? Was it right that the USA secretly and unilaterally conducted a secret mission without permission of Pakistan. Is the USA exempt from following the rules of foreign invasion for it's priorities and missions ?
This man attacked and killed innocent American citizens, he would have happily killed you and me. I take it personal. He wanted to kill me. There was very little outrage in the Muslim world, they danced and ate candy in their streets, as did I when I saw the news of osama's demise.
Both the US and PAK are members of the UN. If two people are walking down the street and one sees a threat that the second does not see and handles it then who would complain? PAK didn't know (they said so) about OBL and we did...we did our part to help out a friend.
This BS about rights and sovereignty is nuts.......the guy was a confessed criminal hiding in a UM members state and he could have had a trial if he gave up.
Now maybe PAK will get on the ball and those that still thought that they are safe and can't be found............NOT
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Was it right that the USA secretly and unilaterally conducted a secret mission without permission of Pakistan.
Is the USA exempt from following the rules of foreign invasion for it's priorities and missions ?