With the possibilities that Pakistan knew of OBL's whereabouts, do you think, with our 1+ billion dollars paid to them each year, they laughed at the USA all the way to the bank?
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
TheresMyFriend: With the possibilities that Pakistan knew of OBL's whereabouts, do you think, with our 1+ billion dollars paid to them each year, they laughed at the USA all the way to the bank?
-JOHN-
By 'Pakistan' do you mean both those that actively fight Al Qaeda as well as factions within the ISI who aid the Taliban and AQ or can we face the reality that there are enemies and sympathizers within different levels of the Pakistani government and armed forces?
Albertaghost: By 'Pakistan' do you mean both those that actively fight Al Qaeda as well as factions within the ISI who aid the Taliban and AQ or can we face the reality that there are enemies and sympathizers within different levels of the Pakistani government and armed forces?
I was just asking about the people mainly within the government, who would of had part responsibilities of the funds they received from USA. Who knew we were looking for OBL, for his part in the crimes of 9/11 and I'm sure others events as well.
I'm sure there were others outside the government that most likely knew as well, but had no power to do anything.
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
TheresMyFriend: I was just asking about the people mainly within the government, who would of had part responsibilities of the funds they received from USA. Who knew we were looking for OBL, for his part in the crimes of 9/11 and I'm sure others events as well.
I'm sure there were others outside the government that most likely knew as well, but had no power to do anything.
If the 'Pakistani government' were in bed with AQ there would be no cooperation whatsoever with the US and, OBL would not have been hiding in that compound but rather would have been presiding over a rather large training center with hundreds if not thousands of AQ recruits.
We can be certain that some are in bed with AQ and some are stalwart friends of the US in this fight against terrorism.
So, if you rephrased your question to read something Akin to 'Do you believe that officials high up in the Pakistani government had knowledge of OBL being in that country?'
I would say yes. However, we know with certainty that there are at least as many who are against AQ as they have killed many of it's members as well as Taliban fighters so, given that the pro Qutbist element is not conducting a takeover we can surmise that it is not nearly as powerful as they would be if this was a situation that was completely unworkable so, will have to say that the Pakistani government, while wary of the threat within it's ranks is still on our side.
I am positive that there are those within the Pakistani government who knew exactly where he was -- and actively warned him and/or kept him up to date on the whereabouts of the Americans.
I am equally sure that the American government has known about it for many years, and has done nothing the duplicity of taking our money while aiding and abetting the enemy.
The problem is Pakistan's nukes coupled with a government that is far from being stable. We can only go so far without risking a great deal more than money. That doesn't make it right. It just makes it a geopolitical reality.
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
omgamike: I am positive that there are those within the Pakistani government who knew exactly where he was -- and actively warned him and/or kept him up to date on the whereabouts of the Americans.
The problem is Pakistan's nukes coupled with a government that is far from being stable. We can only go so far without risking a great deal more than money. That doesn't make it right. It just makes it a geopolitical reality.
Pakistan will be the last stop in the War on Terror.
omgamike: I am positive that there are those within the Pakistani government who knew exactly where he was -- and actively warned him and/or kept him up to date on the whereabouts of the Americans.
I am equally sure that the American government has known about it for many years, and has done nothing the duplicity of taking our money while aiding and abetting the enemy.
The problem is Pakistan's nukes coupled with a government that is far from being stable. We can only go so far without risking a great deal more than money. That doesn't make it right. It just makes it a geopolitical reality.
Yes! How could the Pakistani Government, or their equivalent to our very own CIA organizations (whatever they call it there) NOT have known?? I mean- he lived in an huge and seemingly unhidden MANSION, in plain view for all to see, right across the street from an Pakistani Police station, and right beside their largest Military Academy! They knew alright!
Even Obama knew about it for at least 8 months before the final Execution Raid, and giving the green-lighting the mission to take place! Who knows how long before that our very own CIA knew about his residence.
Lucky for the U.S. that they never revealed their hand to the Pakistani's ...things about knowing about were he was exactly, or revealing any of the particulars about Operation Execution Raid on Bin Laden. Because if any of this info had been leaked to them, it's almost assured that SOMEONE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN TIPPED-OFF BIN LADEN! I mean- someone within Pakistani Government, or person(s) that had infiltrated their secret service, with beliefs and sympathies towards him and his Terrorism Network.
The U.S. relations with Pakistan was on rather shaky ground to begin with, even before this incident took place. We have been giving their government Aid, for what? It's an awkward situation they find themselves in, to be sure! If they did in fact know of his whereabouts, why not tell the U.S. about this?!
Yes, there is this delicate situation involving the problem of an unstable Pakistani government, along with dealing with them about their nukes. So it appears to me the money train for aid will continue from the U.S. , even though there are obvious mis-trust issues with them.
TheresMyFriend: With the possibilities that Pakistan knew of OBL's whereabouts, do you think, with our 1+ billion dollars paid to them each year, they laughed at the USA all the way to the bank?
-JOHN-
Of course Pakistan knew where he was just like I bet the USA knew where he was too.I'm not believeing/buying it for one minute that the USA didn't know where he was.
Ccincy: Of course Pakistan knew where he was just like I bet the USA knew where he was too.I'm not believeing/buying it for one minute that the USA didn't know where he was.
It also amazes me that all this came about after Obama made his announcment of running for a 2nd term.How convenient.
hotburninluv: Yes! How could the Pakistani Government, or their equivalent to our very own CIA organizations (whatever they call it there) NOT have known?? I mean- he lived in an huge and seemingly unhidden MANSION, in plain view for all to see, right across the street from an Pakistani Police station, and right beside their largest Military Academy! They knew alright!
Even Obama knew about it for at least 8 months before the final Execution Raid, and giving the green-lighting the mission to take place! Who knows how long before that our very own CIA knew about his residence.
Lucky for the U.S. that they never revealed their hand to the Pakistani's ...things about knowing about were he was exactly, or revealing any of the particulars about Operation Execution Raid on Bin Laden. Because if any of this info had been leaked to them, it's almost assured that SOMEONE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN TIPPED-OFF BIN LADEN! I mean- someone within Pakistani Government, or person(s) that had infiltrated their secret service, with beliefs and sympathies towards him and his Terrorism Network.
The U.S. relations with Pakistan was on rather shaky ground to begin with, even before this incident took place. We have been giving their government Aid, for what? It's an awkward situation they find themselves in, to be sure! If they did in fact know of his whereabouts, why not tell the U.S. about this?!
Yes, there is this delicate situation involving the problem of an unstable Pakistani government, along with dealing with them about their nukes. So it appears to me the money train for aid will continue from the U.S. , even though there are obvious mis-trust issues with them.
To me, that sounds a little like we, the (USA) would be paying them (Pakistan), to MOT play with their nuke toys or abilities.
The poll question isn't specific enough. "Pakistan" is a nation, a people, a government. Did they ALL know? No. Did SOMEONE know? Certainly. Was it a purposeful act by the heads of the Pakistani government to hide OBL? I doubt it. Do we have ANY reasonable amount of information yet to make a judgement? Ha-ha!....No.
TheresMyFriend: (Pakistan) ... with our 1+ billion dollars paid to them each year, they laughed at the USA all the way to the bank? -JOHN-
Well John, you seem to either not know what's really happening, or, to want to mislead others.
The US doesn't "give" Pakistan anything, really.
US "aid" to Pakistan for 2008 totaled 798 million (not "1+ billion") but nearly all of it was military aid. Only 20 million went for infrastructure.
When the US "gives" military aid it always has strings attached. No, wait, on second thought, make that "chains", not "strings".
The military aid is given as funds, but a large part of those funds has to be used to buy weapons from the US. And the Pakistani military that receives the aid ensures that their government does exactly what the US wants. Which, in this case it to keep up the pretense of the imaginary Al Qaeda and Taliban insurgency which in turn justifies military madness worldwide and keeps the arms industry humming.
Of course, it's not really poor countries like Pakistan who pay for their weapons, it's US taxpayers.
But that doesn't make any difference to the military-industrial mafia. As far as they are concerned, money is money.
And besides making money, the worldwide arms race "justifies" US military expansionism.
The US now maintains bases all over the world. No wonder the it' bankrupt.
RayfromUSA: Well John, you seem to either not know what's really happening, or, to want to mislead others.
The US doesn't "give" Pakistan anything, really.
US "aid" to Pakistan for 2008 totaled 798 million (not "1+ billion") but nearly all of it was military aid. Only 20 million went for infrastructure.
When the US "gives" military aid it always has strings attached. No, wait, on second thought, make that "chains", not "strings".
The military aid is given as funds, but a large part of those funds has to be used to buy weapons from the US. And the Pakistani military that receives the aid ensures that their government does exactly what the US wants. Which, in this case it to keep up the pretense of the imaginary Al Qaeda and Taliban insurgency which in turn justifies military madness worldwide and keeps the arms industry humming.
Of course, it's not really poor countries like Pakistan who pay for their weapons, it's US taxpayers.
But that doesn't make any difference to the military-industrial mafia. As far as they are concerned, money is money.
And besides making money, the worldwide arms race "justifies" US military expansionism.
The US now maintains bases all over the world. No wonder the it' bankrupt.
Ccincy: Well well Ray so you say that the USA doesn't give Pakistan anything. Like I'm suppose to believe whatever is told to me by our governemnt.
If somebody gives you money with the condition that you use it to buy weapons from them and then use those weapons to enforce their every wish, is it really a gift?
RayfromUSA: If somebody gives you money with the condition that you use it to buy weapons from them and then use those weapons to enforce their every wish, is it really a gift?
If it serves the purpose of why it was given sure it's a gift.Haven't we been doing that for quite sometime?Or am I just imagining things?
Ccincy: If it serves the purpose of why it was given sure it's a gift.Haven't we been doing that for quite sometime?Or am I just imagining things?
No, you're not imagining anything. Foreign aid by any government usually has strings attached. Aid opens the way for business opportunities for the benefactor. Why should aid be altruistic?
he was living at a military base where he was killed so definitely the pakastanis knew about his whereabout.why they didnt expose him is a mattar of interest,getting more of the american tax money and also has something for the region conflict.also they were paid by the saudis to keep him alive because his group has kept the saudis imaginary enemy busy?????
ofogh1338: he was living at a military base where he was killed so definitely the pakastanis knew about his whereabout.why they didnt expose him is a mattar of interest,getting more of the american tax money and also has something for the region conflict.also they were paid by the saudis to keep him alive because his group has kept the saudis imaginary enemy busy?????
Garrison-Town you mean? Be specific! He did not live at a Military Base! A Fox is always safest under The Henhouse!
Pakistan is, of course, denying both complicity or incompetence.
Unfortunately for them, those are the only two explanations. Period. They need to get with the program and pick one. As Ricky Ricardo would have said....
Pakistaaaaaaan.... you got some 'splainin' to doooo.
To me, that sounds a little like we, the (USA) would be paying them (Pakistan), to MOT play with their nuke toys or abilities.
My opinion is that we should cut off your aid to them, but i'm not the speaking for our government...it's just my opinion on the matter.
YES! Unfortunately that's all part of the equation when your dealing with an unstable government such as Pakistan is, who,in addition, has nukes! Not to diminish their efforts in fighting terrorism along with the U.S., but as silly as it may sound, it would be like an deterrent to them blasting off any nukes, half-cocked! They have that power, you know?
I believe we will be finding now, in the Post Bin Ladin Execution Raid Operation Pakistani era, that many more Pakistani's really are did hate us before, than we originally thought! I mean- there are more people then we thought that had beliefs and sympathies towards OBL and his Terrorism Network.
That is balderdash.Pakistan did not know about Osama Bin Laden.If Pakistan knew,Pakistan would take action himself.When the American action or operation was taken against Osama Bin Laden,Pakistan came to know after that operation about Osama's presence. No doubt,that is our intelligence negligence but you cannot call it as a failure. If it is a failure,then the abominable incident of 9/11 was a huge FAILURE of CIA. Well,about aid.I am Pakistani.I know better that the aid only spends on our corrupt,idiots and rascal politicians. If it ever spent on public,then there would not be anti-American opinion in our public.
usmanarshad: That is balderdash.Pakistan did not know about Osama Bin Laden.If Pakistan knew,Pakistan would take action himself.When the American action or operation was taken against Osama Bin Laden,Pakistan came to know after that operation about Osama's presence. No doubt,that is our intelligence negligence but you cannot call it as a failure. If it is a failure,then the abominable incident of 9/11 was a huge FAILURE of CIA. Well,about aid.I am Pakistani.I know better that the aid only spends on our corrupt,idiots and rascal politicians. If it ever spent on public,then there would not be anti-American opinion in our public.
Doubt that! Some Circles in your Military and Intelligence Apparatus had to have knowledge of it!Someone like him can't live in a Garrisontown five years without some of the Authorities being in on it! How would the US spend it's Aid on the Pakistan Public!
TheresMyFriend: With the possibilities that Pakistan knew of OBL's whereabouts, do you think, with our 1+ billion dollars paid to them each year, they laughed at the USA all the way to the bank?
-JOHN-
As far back as the creation of Al Qaeda by the CIA in the late 70s the Pakistani intelligence agency ISI was directly involved in the process of funding the operation and in furnishing logistics and supplies to Bin Laden. Of course the CIA was directing the whole process and US taxpayers were footing the bill.
The ISI, like Al Qaeda, was a CIA asset and largely remains such to this day. Pakistan cannot pay its intelligence service as well as the US can. So, no matter who the Pakistanis elect, the ISI works for the US administration.
RayfromUSA: As far back as the creation of Al Qaeda by the CIA in the late 70s the Pakistani intelligence agency ISI was directly involved in the process of funding the operation and in furnishing logistics and supplies to Bin Laden. Of course the CIA was directing the whole process and US taxpayers were footing the bill.
The ISI, like Al Qaeda, was a CIA asset and largely remains such to this day. Pakistan cannot pay its intelligence service as well as the US can. So, no matter who the Pakistanis elect, the ISI works for the US administration.
This video discusses the ISI's involvement with the CIA in setting up the whole Bin Laden scam. (toward the end of the video)
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What Do You Think, Did Pakistan Know Of OBL's Whereabouts?(Vote Below)
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