Smokers : which is the better choice? ( Archived) (256)

Jan 23, 2014 9:10 AM CSTSmokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause
henonpausehenonpauseCork, Ireland50 Threads 2 Polls 1,504 Posts

Smokers : which is the better choice?(Vote Below)

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Quitting - eliminating the need for nicotine
41
57%
Using E cigarettes - with nicotine
12
17%
Using patches or gum - with nicotine
3
4%
Using real cigarettes - with nicotine
14
19%
Using 24-hour patches - with nicotine
2
3%
Total Votes
72
We are now being bombarded with this new Irish-made E-cigarette which is supposed to be a healthier option to regular smoking.

Is this an aid meant to help you quit, or keep your addiction alive?
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Jan 23, 2014 10:03 AM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
jamesa1
jamesa1jamesa1Donegal, Ireland1 Threads 248 Posts
Actually Nicotine is the main addictive substance in Cigarets. Essentially nicotine on its own is not harmful to the body but it is a highly addictive substance. It is the other 3000+ substances like Tar, Arsenic, Lead and Vinyl chloride which cause the damage. So although E cigs wouldnt be my choice the nicotine therein wouldnt be a problem.
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Jan 23, 2014 10:04 AM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause
henonpausehenonpauseCork, Ireland50 Threads 2 Polls 1,504 Posts
jamesa1: Actually Nicotine is the main addictive substance in Cigarets. Essentially nicotine on its own is not harmful to the body but it is a highly addictive substance. It is the other 3000+ substances like Tar, Arsenic, Lead and Vinyl chloride which cause the damage. So although E cigs wouldnt be my choice the nicotine therein wouldnt be a problem.


But if the nicotine isn't doing anything for you, why would you want to sustain the addiction to it?
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Jan 23, 2014 10:05 AM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
jamesa1
jamesa1jamesa1Donegal, Ireland1 Threads 248 Posts
henonpause: But if the nicotine isn't doing anything for you, why would you want to sustain the addiction to it?

It is the Addiction to the Nicotine which makes it so hard to give up smoking.
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Jan 23, 2014 10:14 AM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause
henonpausehenonpauseCork, Ireland50 Threads 2 Polls 1,504 Posts
sofarsogood74: I think its doesn't give you anything back but bad breath, bad skin, smelly clothes and a smaller bank account. They do it to relieve the cravings like all other addicts. It's a 100 addictive and harmful substance which is sold in local corner shops. It's just crazy. Cots the country billions in health care.

All addictive substances like nicotine, heroin, pain pills and barbs and substances like alcohol and cocaine which are only addictive to about 1 in 10 users should be lumped into the same bracket...They should be legalised as people will always do them, but strictly regulated and all the VAT and other taxes from them should be pumped into services helping people kick the addictions. We don't supply enough services for addicts of any substance in this country.


I agree. Nicotine is not highly addictive physically - you sleep through the withdrawal every night, and your body withdraws every time you put out a cig. It's a mental addiction, and the products on the market aim themselves at the physical addiction - by providing you with the same drug! duh
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Jan 23, 2014 10:18 AM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
henonpause: I agree. Nicotine is not highly addictive physically - you sleep through the withdrawal every night, and your body withdraws every time you put out a cig. It's a mental addiction, and the products on the market aim themselves at the physical addiction - by providing you with the same drug! duh


The problem is people think e cigs are a helping them quit smoking. But they are still taking in nicotine and sometimes more than they would from a normal cigarette. doh They ads for them are very misleading.
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Jan 23, 2014 11:02 AM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause
henonpausehenonpauseCork, Ireland50 Threads 2 Polls 1,504 Posts
sofarsogood74: The problem is people think e cigs are a helping them quit smoking. But they are still taking in nicotine and sometimes more than they would from a normal cigarette. They ads for them are very misleading.


NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) is also misleading - like the gum. Major cigs, for example, have 1mg of nicotine per cig in them. That's the strongest dose I have found. Then you've the lower strength cigs like Silk Cut Blue with around 0.4mg. Next time you're in the pharmacy, ask for a LOWER STRENGTH box of gum - printed on the front? 2mg of nicotine per gum. The HIGHER STRENGTH? 4mg of nicotine per gum.

It's there - in black and white - but marketing and propaganda and brainwashing is powerful stuff - smokers don't see it at all.
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Jan 23, 2014 11:12 AM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
henonpause: NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) is also misleading - like the gum. Major cigs, for example, have 1mg of nicotine per cig in them. That's the strongest dose I have found. Then you've the lower strength cigs like Silk Cut Blue with around 0.4mg. Next time you're in the pharmacy, ask for a LOWER STRENGTH box of gum - printed on the front? 2mg of nicotine per gum. The HIGHER STRENGTH? 4mg of nicotine per gum.

It's there - in black and white - but marketing and propaganda and brainwashing is powerful stuff - smokers don't see it at all.



Cold turkey is the only way. I think all the nicotine is out of your system in 2 week. So after that its psychological. If you don't want to give up you wont. If you really want to you will.Its that simple.
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Jan 23, 2014 11:13 AM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause: I agree. Nicotine is not highly addictive physically - you sleep through the withdrawal every night, and your body withdraws every time you put out a cig. It's a mental addiction, and the products on the market aim themselves at the physical addiction - by providing you with the same drug! duh
Not sure what you're saying there really. The brain chemistry changes involved with nicotine are similar to other drugs. Dopamine levels etc. In tobacco form it's more addictive than Methadone.

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Jan 23, 2014 11:15 AM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause: We are now being bombarded with this new Irish-made E-cigarette which is supposed to be a healthier option to regular smoking.

Is this an aid meant to help you quit, or keep your addiction alive?

Alan Carr's book frames it well. It's fear that stops people from giving up. Will I ever enjoy a meal again? Will I ever enjoy a drink? Me life will never be the same etc all these ideas are fear.
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Jan 23, 2014 11:35 AM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause
henonpausehenonpauseCork, Ireland50 Threads 2 Polls 1,504 Posts
MADDOG69: Alan Carr's book frames it well. It's fear that stops people from giving up. Will I ever enjoy a meal again? Will I ever enjoy a drink? Me life will never be the same etc all these ideas are fear.


Allen Carr's Easyway to Stop Smoking is brilliant - anyone with a bit of sense should check it out

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Jan 23, 2014 12:01 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
MarsMan
MarsManMarsManBobbing along, Cork Ireland29 Threads 8 Polls 981 Posts
I use E-Cigs, have done for sometime.

I am under no illusion however that it is a replacement for my nicotine habit, many E-Cig companies state openly that it is merely a replacement, and not a way to give up, so be wary of any company that tries to make out that it is a sure fire way of quitting, it isn't.

Also, if anyone does decide to use e-cigs, do your research, some companies use very specific batteries and cartomisers (cartridges) that can not be used with any other companies products, so you are tided in to buying continually from them and some aren't that cheap at all.

Go for a 510 battery/catromiser, they are far more common/generic and can be bought from lots of different sites.
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Jan 23, 2014 12:02 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause: Allen Carr's Easyway to Stop Smoking is brilliant - anyone with a bit of sense should check it out


Yeah I have his book already. I even offered the pdf version to anyone. No one took me offer up. laugh
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Jan 23, 2014 12:30 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland181 Threads 5 Polls 6,550 Posts
smoker myself but in my experience its a filthy dirty rotten habit ,its gone to such a stage now that its becoming totally anti social to be a smoker have my packet of champix got so hopefully in the next few days will make the effort lot of aides to help you on the market but willpower is also required so hopefully i can kick this bad habit for once and for all wave
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Jan 23, 2014 12:35 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
benni2
benni2benni2eire, Tipperary Ireland26 Threads 2,399 Posts
mjpd67: smoker myself but in my experience its a filthy dirty rotten habit ,its gone to such a stage now that its becoming totally anti social to be a smoker have my packet of champix got so hopefully in the next few days will make the effort lot of aides to help you on the market but willpower is also required so hopefully i can kick this bad habit for once and for all
those champix are supposed to have serious side effects
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Jan 23, 2014 12:39 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland181 Threads 5 Polls 6,550 Posts
benni2: those champix are supposed to have serious side effects
ya was on them before but consulted my doctor and she said side affects pass after a while ,last time i was on them was seeing pink elephants running around on the ceiling in bed at night hole crazy being on here has side effects also laugh
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Jan 23, 2014 12:42 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause: I agree. Nicotine is not highly addictive physically - you sleep through the withdrawal every night, and your body withdraws every time you put out a cig. It's a mental addiction, and the products on the market aim themselves at the physical addiction - by providing you with the same drug! duh


ever tried quitting smoking as a heavy smoker..I think its more than mental...you wont be able to sleep for the next 2 or 3 nights if you go cold turkey..couple that with weird sensations in your legs and arms..niggling twitches in your veins oh and the headaches and the general want to attack something and beat it to a pulp...but once that abates its all plain sailinggrin
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Jan 23, 2014 12:43 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
sofarsogood74: Cold turkey is the only way. I think all the nicotine is out of your system in 2 week. So after that its psychological. If you don't want to give up you wont. If you really want to you will.Its that simple.


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Jan 23, 2014 12:43 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
Hi Hen .., aka Blow-in laugh

As an ex-smoker, I can honestly say I enjoyed every single cigarette I ever smoked. I did find them relaxing, I found them to be a social outlet, especially when the smoking ban came in. A little group huddled under a shelter can be great craic.

I chose to give them up for several reasons, but mainly because I just wanted to.
I knew I would omly do it once ever.
So I did do the patches. I was totally allergic to them btw. I was like a junkie trying to find a vein, trying to find a clear bit of skin to stick it on! I also told nobody as I didn't want the constant questions and reminders. I did buy herbal cigarettes though. I know me. I knew if I went out for a few drinks I would be hanging for a cigarette. So I used to smoke one of those god-awful things. It did the trick though.
I am now off them nearly 9 years. I still miss them on occasion, but never regret giving them up.
It was my choice to do so. No matter how often you are told about the health issues/cost/secondhand smoking etc., it won't make a slight bit of difference. Until the smoker themself is ready in their head to give them up, it won't happen.

That was my experience anyway
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Jan 23, 2014 3:19 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause
henonpausehenonpauseCork, Ireland50 Threads 2 Polls 1,504 Posts
mollybaby: Hi Hen .., aka Blow-in

As an ex-smoker, I can honestly say I enjoyed every single cigarette I ever smoked. I did find them relaxing, I found them to be a social outlet, especially when the smoking ban came in. A little group huddled under a shelter can be great craic.

I chose to give them up for several reasons, but mainly because I just wanted to.
I knew I would omly do it once ever.
So I did do the patches. I was totally allergic to them btw. I was like a junkie trying to find a vein, trying to find a clear bit of skin to stick it on! I also told nobody as I didn't want the constant questions and reminders. I did buy herbal cigarettes though. I know me. I knew if I went out for a few drinks I would be hanging for a cigarette. So I used to smoke one of those god-awful things. It did the trick though.
I am now off them nearly 9 years. I still miss them on occasion, but never regret giving them up.
It was my choice to do so. No matter how often you are told about the health issues/cost/secondhand smoking etc., it won't make a slight bit of difference. Until the smoker themself is ready in their head to give them up, it won't happen.

That was my experience anyway


Lol, hi Cheeky Molly
I agree with you. Banging on about health issues only makes a smoker smoke more, usually, lol. Same goes for the awful pics they are now putting on packs - none of that works. It simply reinforces to the smoker that they should think about stopping, and when that panic kicks in, the smoker has another cigarette whilst he thinks about stopping some other time, lol.

Interesting topic and to get everyone's views...
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Jan 23, 2014 3:21 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
henonpause
henonpausehenonpauseCork, Ireland50 Threads 2 Polls 1,504 Posts
henonpause: Lol, hi Cheeky Molly
I agree with you. Banging on about health issues only makes a smoker smoke more, usually, lol. Same goes for the awful pics they are now putting on packs - none of that works. It simply reinforces to the smoker that they should think about stopping, and when that panic kicks in, the smoker has another cigarette whilst he thinks about stopping some other time, lol.

Interesting topic and to get everyone's views...


PS I smoked for 22 years, am off them the last 12.
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Jan 23, 2014 3:23 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
sweeper
sweepersweepercork, Cork Ireland5 Threads 2 Polls 191 Posts
fifitrixibelle: Hiya sweeps welcome to the forums, bet you miss the chatroom ?
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Jan 23, 2014 3:27 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
sweeper
sweepersweepercork, Cork Ireland5 Threads 2 Polls 191 Posts
hiya fifi hahhaha only passing through hope you are well yes its shame that its gone crying
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Jan 23, 2014 4:09 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
dateadave
dateadavedateadavelimerick, Limerick Ireland7 Threads 3 Polls 95 Posts
henonpause: But if the nicotine isn't doing anything for you, why would you want to sustain the addiction to it?


One reason is withdrawal is not nice.

I quit 6 months ago, but before that time I had made several unsuccessful attempts. I would sometimes using the patches for the first few days, sometimes go cold turkey and I carried a E-cig with me for a while when I went out. Even listened to hypnosis tapes. I found that the nicotine products took the edge off the withdrawal and satisfied my cravings when I was drinking. I still found that every now and again I would slip.

In the end I felt quitting for good was just due of getting enough leverage on myself to effect permanent change, rather than any of the quit aids (with the perhaps the exception of the tapes).

Although this i sort of hard to prove as that period of a year where I was an on/off smoker and using patches could have made it easier for me to quit.
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Jan 23, 2014 4:39 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
martini100
martini100martini100wexford, Wexford Ireland19 Threads 2,158 Posts
I also use the E- Gig (well the vapor pipe ) and have cut down from 18mg to 3mg now, and it is defiantly worked for me.
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Jan 26, 2014 2:46 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
facetowardsfront
facetowardsfrontfacetowardsfrontCork, Ireland42 Threads 1 Polls 2,921 Posts
A nicotine tablet to treat the mentally ill is being developed. Smoking has a calming effect on some of them but the effect is weak and short-lived. I wonder how many smokers are actually self-medicating without knowing it and should they even try to give up?
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Jan 26, 2014 5:19 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
fifitheminx
fifitheminxfifitheminxDublin, Ireland35 Threads 4,039 Posts
Not at all u claimed smokers are self medicating.
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Jan 26, 2014 5:25 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
Jaymack
JaymackJaymackMonaghan, Ireland37 Threads 800 Posts
After many years on cigarettes,i have been on the E Cigs for two weeks now.

No Tar is a big thing for my lungs,i would like to eventually stop altogether but i feel so much better since i started on the ECigs.
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Jan 26, 2014 5:30 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
Glatlol
GlatlolGlatlolDublin, Ireland2 Threads 5,358 Posts
Jaymack: After many years on cigarettes,i have been on the E Cigs for two weeks now.

No Tar is a big thing for my lungs,i would like to eventually stop altogether but i feel so much better since i started on the ECigs.



If you want to stop just stop.
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Jan 26, 2014 5:33 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
facetowardsfront
facetowardsfrontfacetowardsfrontCork, Ireland42 Threads 1 Polls 2,921 Posts
fifitheminx: Not at all u claimed smokers are self medicating.


On the contrary, I said some people with mental illness are smoking as a means of self-medication. I don't make that claim, it is made by mental health professionals.

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Jan 26, 2014 5:38 PM CST Smokers : which is the better choice?
Jaymack
JaymackJaymackMonaghan, Ireland37 Threads 800 Posts
Glatlol: If you want to stop just stop.


Hi Glatlol,i have stopped i'm smoking ECigs,all part of my journey.
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