Actually Nicotine is the main addictive substance in Cigarets. Essentially nicotine on its own is not harmful to the body but it is a highly addictive substance. It is the other 3000+ substances like Tar, Arsenic, Lead and Vinyl chloride which cause the damage. So although E cigs wouldnt be my choice the nicotine therein wouldnt be a problem.
jamesa1: Actually Nicotine is the main addictive substance in Cigarets. Essentially nicotine on its own is not harmful to the body but it is a highly addictive substance. It is the other 3000+ substances like Tar, Arsenic, Lead and Vinyl chloride which cause the damage. So although E cigs wouldnt be my choice the nicotine therein wouldnt be a problem.
But if the nicotine isn't doing anything for you, why would you want to sustain the addiction to it?
sofarsogood74: I think its doesn't give you anything back but bad breath, bad skin, smelly clothes and a smaller bank account. They do it to relieve the cravings like all other addicts. It's a 100 addictive and harmful substance which is sold in local corner shops. It's just crazy. Cots the country billions in health care.
All addictive substances like nicotine, heroin, pain pills and barbs and substances like alcohol and cocaine which are only addictive to about 1 in 10 users should be lumped into the same bracket...They should be legalised as people will always do them, but strictly regulated and all the VAT and other taxes from them should be pumped into services helping people kick the addictions. We don't supply enough services for addicts of any substance in this country.
I agree. Nicotine is not highly addictive physically - you sleep through the withdrawal every night, and your body withdraws every time you put out a cig. It's a mental addiction, and the products on the market aim themselves at the physical addiction - by providing you with the same drug! duh
henonpause: I agree. Nicotine is not highly addictive physically - you sleep through the withdrawal every night, and your body withdraws every time you put out a cig. It's a mental addiction, and the products on the market aim themselves at the physical addiction - by providing you with the same drug! duh
The problem is people think e cigs are a helping them quit smoking. But they are still taking in nicotine and sometimes more than they would from a normal cigarette. They ads for them are very misleading.
sofarsogood74: The problem is people think e cigs are a helping them quit smoking. But they are still taking in nicotine and sometimes more than they would from a normal cigarette. They ads for them are very misleading.
NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) is also misleading - like the gum. Major cigs, for example, have 1mg of nicotine per cig in them. That's the strongest dose I have found. Then you've the lower strength cigs like Silk Cut Blue with around 0.4mg. Next time you're in the pharmacy, ask for a LOWER STRENGTH box of gum - printed on the front? 2mg of nicotine per gum. The HIGHER STRENGTH? 4mg of nicotine per gum.
It's there - in black and white - but marketing and propaganda and brainwashing is powerful stuff - smokers don't see it at all.
henonpause: NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) is also misleading - like the gum. Major cigs, for example, have 1mg of nicotine per cig in them. That's the strongest dose I have found. Then you've the lower strength cigs like Silk Cut Blue with around 0.4mg. Next time you're in the pharmacy, ask for a LOWER STRENGTH box of gum - printed on the front? 2mg of nicotine per gum. The HIGHER STRENGTH? 4mg of nicotine per gum.
It's there - in black and white - but marketing and propaganda and brainwashing is powerful stuff - smokers don't see it at all.
Cold turkey is the only way. I think all the nicotine is out of your system in 2 week. So after that its psychological. If you don't want to give up you wont. If you really want to you will.Its that simple.
henonpause: I agree. Nicotine is not highly addictive physically - you sleep through the withdrawal every night, and your body withdraws every time you put out a cig. It's a mental addiction, and the products on the market aim themselves at the physical addiction - by providing you with the same drug! duh
Not sure what you're saying there really. The brain chemistry changes involved with nicotine are similar to other drugs. Dopamine levels etc. In tobacco form it's more addictive than Methadone.
henonpause: We are now being bombarded with this new Irish-made E-cigarette which is supposed to be a healthier option to regular smoking.
Is this an aid meant to help you quit, or keep your addiction alive?
Alan Carr's book frames it well. It's fear that stops people from giving up. Will I ever enjoy a meal again? Will I ever enjoy a drink? Me life will never be the same etc all these ideas are fear.
MADDOG69: Alan Carr's book frames it well. It's fear that stops people from giving up. Will I ever enjoy a meal again? Will I ever enjoy a drink? Me life will never be the same etc all these ideas are fear.
Allen Carr's Easyway to Stop Smoking is brilliant - anyone with a bit of sense should check it out
I am under no illusion however that it is a replacement for my nicotine habit, many E-Cig companies state openly that it is merely a replacement, and not a way to give up, so be wary of any company that tries to make out that it is a sure fire way of quitting, it isn't.
Also, if anyone does decide to use e-cigs, do your research, some companies use very specific batteries and cartomisers (cartridges) that can not be used with any other companies products, so you are tided in to buying continually from them and some aren't that cheap at all.
Go for a 510 battery/catromiser, they are far more common/generic and can be bought from lots of different sites.
smoker myself but in my experience its a filthy dirty rotten habit ,its gone to such a stage now that its becoming totally anti social to be a smoker have my packet of champix got so hopefully in the next few days will make the effort lot of aides to help you on the market but willpower is also required so hopefully i can kick this bad habit for once and for all
mjpd67: smoker myself but in my experience its a filthy dirty rotten habit ,its gone to such a stage now that its becoming totally anti social to be a smoker have my packet of champix got so hopefully in the next few days will make the effort lot of aides to help you on the market but willpower is also required so hopefully i can kick this bad habit for once and for all
those champix are supposed to have serious side effects
benni2: those champix are supposed to have serious side effects
ya was on them before but consulted my doctor and she said side affects pass after a while ,last time i was on them was seeing pink elephants running around on the ceiling in bed at night being on here has side effects also
henonpause: I agree. Nicotine is not highly addictive physically - you sleep through the withdrawal every night, and your body withdraws every time you put out a cig. It's a mental addiction, and the products on the market aim themselves at the physical addiction - by providing you with the same drug! duh
ever tried quitting smoking as a heavy smoker..I think its more than mental...you wont be able to sleep for the next 2 or 3 nights if you go cold turkey..couple that with weird sensations in your legs and arms..niggling twitches in your veins oh and the headaches and the general want to attack something and beat it to a pulp...but once that abates its all plain sailing
sofarsogood74: Cold turkey is the only way. I think all the nicotine is out of your system in 2 week. So after that its psychological. If you don't want to give up you wont. If you really want to you will.Its that simple.
As an ex-smoker, I can honestly say I enjoyed every single cigarette I ever smoked. I did find them relaxing, I found them to be a social outlet, especially when the smoking ban came in. A little group huddled under a shelter can be great craic.
I chose to give them up for several reasons, but mainly because I just wanted to. I knew I would omly do it once ever. So I did do the patches. I was totally allergic to them btw. I was like a junkie trying to find a vein, trying to find a clear bit of skin to stick it on! I also told nobody as I didn't want the constant questions and reminders. I did buy herbal cigarettes though. I know me. I knew if I went out for a few drinks I would be hanging for a cigarette. So I used to smoke one of those god-awful things. It did the trick though. I am now off them nearly 9 years. I still miss them on occasion, but never regret giving them up. It was my choice to do so. No matter how often you are told about the health issues/cost/secondhand smoking etc., it won't make a slight bit of difference. Until the smoker themself is ready in their head to give them up, it won't happen.
As an ex-smoker, I can honestly say I enjoyed every single cigarette I ever smoked. I did find them relaxing, I found them to be a social outlet, especially when the smoking ban came in. A little group huddled under a shelter can be great craic.
I chose to give them up for several reasons, but mainly because I just wanted to. I knew I would omly do it once ever. So I did do the patches. I was totally allergic to them btw. I was like a junkie trying to find a vein, trying to find a clear bit of skin to stick it on! I also told nobody as I didn't want the constant questions and reminders. I did buy herbal cigarettes though. I know me. I knew if I went out for a few drinks I would be hanging for a cigarette. So I used to smoke one of those god-awful things. It did the trick though. I am now off them nearly 9 years. I still miss them on occasion, but never regret giving them up. It was my choice to do so. No matter how often you are told about the health issues/cost/secondhand smoking etc., it won't make a slight bit of difference. Until the smoker themself is ready in their head to give them up, it won't happen.
That was my experience anyway
Lol, hi Cheeky Molly I agree with you. Banging on about health issues only makes a smoker smoke more, usually, lol. Same goes for the awful pics they are now putting on packs - none of that works. It simply reinforces to the smoker that they should think about stopping, and when that panic kicks in, the smoker has another cigarette whilst he thinks about stopping some other time, lol.
henonpause: Lol, hi Cheeky Molly I agree with you. Banging on about health issues only makes a smoker smoke more, usually, lol. Same goes for the awful pics they are now putting on packs - none of that works. It simply reinforces to the smoker that they should think about stopping, and when that panic kicks in, the smoker has another cigarette whilst he thinks about stopping some other time, lol.
Interesting topic and to get everyone's views...
PS I smoked for 22 years, am off them the last 12.
henonpause: But if the nicotine isn't doing anything for you, why would you want to sustain the addiction to it?
One reason is withdrawal is not nice.
I quit 6 months ago, but before that time I had made several unsuccessful attempts. I would sometimes using the patches for the first few days, sometimes go cold turkey and I carried a E-cig with me for a while when I went out. Even listened to hypnosis tapes. I found that the nicotine products took the edge off the withdrawal and satisfied my cravings when I was drinking. I still found that every now and again I would slip.
In the end I felt quitting for good was just due of getting enough leverage on myself to effect permanent change, rather than any of the quit aids (with the perhaps the exception of the tapes).
Although this i sort of hard to prove as that period of a year where I was an on/off smoker and using patches could have made it easier for me to quit.
A nicotine tablet to treat the mentally ill is being developed. Smoking has a calming effect on some of them but the effect is weak and short-lived. I wonder how many smokers are actually self-medicating without knowing it and should they even try to give up?
fifitheminx: Not at all u claimed smokers are self medicating.
On the contrary, I said some people with mental illness are smoking as a means of self-medication. I don't make that claim, it is made by mental health professionals.
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