More migrants?

Yes
14
12%
No
87
76%
Not Sure
13
11%
Total Votes
114
I just have to vote... No

I don't think Muslims can possibly integrate into Europe in the current numbers. They don't speak the languages of their host countries. I think Europe will collapse and descend into chaos.

Comments (102)

Len05
you can't plane out the millions that walk in.
but the promised land is going into bits.
The islamisation is going to hurt bad. less equality, less enlightened courts,
The people itself are fine. The collective is going to be hard to alter and introduce to europe

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derda
I voted yes as you're asking if more are coming? Maybe misunderstood?

Merkel should have aligned with the EU and not welcomed poor workers. Now she tries the EU to shoulder this.

This will change the EU but I actually care more about the diseases they bring with them.

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germantourist
I like to know how many IS fighters will also come to europe as migrants and in 10 years we have here the chaos.

so NO for more migrants here in europe. our countries may support those migrants in their home country that they not even have the idea to come here. would be also cheaper.

here in germany some people already would like to have free internet for the migrants. and the stupid german always will pay. stop this ! ! !

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Tulefell
It was Germans, who voted for Merkel. Now who is supposed to "stop this"?

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Capricorn143


And who voted for your current and previous government? It was Sweden that invited them first!

I voted NO, although the question should be: more migrants from Muslim countries. Migrants from other parts of the world integrate, they participate in the workforce and do not cause problems making demands because of their religion.

Europe should immediately change the asylum system and NOT GIVE residence or citizenship to the ones that have come. EU should finaly use its countries' navies to prevent the ones coming from entering Europe.

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HappyValerie
War Refugees are intended to return home after the war, but I doubt they will ever go away! Economic Migrants remaining the main problem, it will take a while before Europe put a limit on the accomodation capacity. A public local consultation (referendum) on this, however edifying, should set new limits to this possible chaos. Now, will we be brave enough to tell the truth ?

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Capricorn143


No one is going back, both categories can get residence and citizenship, that is what is wrong and should be changed immediately.

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Tulefell
Voted blank at the last election - as there was no party that I feel would represent me. There ought to be a few empty chairs in Swedish parliament for all, who voted blank.

And I think there ought to be a referendum on the matter of pseudo-Syrians refugees.

Women and children and elderly and sick - yes. Those, who storm Hungarian borders... They are fit enough to make something of their country, if they are discontent with the situation. I am not obliged to feed them. I don't want them and there mentality here.

Next question?

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Capricorn143


Completely agree with you on who should stay.

Sweden has been inviting the regufees from various crisis areas for a longer time than Germany. Sweden seems to have developed political correctness to the extreme. I have read a lot about rape epidemic in Sweden and how your mainstream papers do not even reveal who the perpertrators are. I wonder how on earth Swedish women agree with the situation? I would expect the feminists, who do not make a sound, to stand up...or is it more important not to appear racist?

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Tulefell
I don't know whether it's rape epidemic or women just started to report s*xual abuse more often, than they did it some while ago - feminists made some impact after all.

It's true: media and authorities are not willing to talk about perpetrators' ethnicity - political correctness is our new holy cow. Well... on one side, there's no need to add fuel to Nationalists' cause; on another: would be good to call things by it's proper name for a change - a country should know its "heroes". But I don't keep my brief :)

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Esr
No more Muslim immigrants / refugees to Europe

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Capricorn143


You are write, however, our politicians and the leftists just keep on digging our grave.

help

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Esr
Yes, the West European countries have already done it, I hope that the countries in East European will learn of the mistakes, and say no thank you to muslins migrants, although they are pressure from the major european countries in west......

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Len05


I don't fully agree.
=creating a second class citizen with limited rights will give an apartheid situation. As you don't know how long things will take, i suppose you assume worst case scenario.

I don't think the civilians should be punished.

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Capricorn143


Well, if you check the situation in different European countries in terms of returning people to their own countries - it is horrible!
If you take an example of the war in Bosnia, many migrated to the Scandinavian countries and only a few returned when they could. Norway for example even changed its law to enable everyone to stay, Denmark gave everyone the choice and of course why would you go back to a poor country when you can live in a rich one????

Another example are Somalis in Norway - they never returned BUT they send their children to Somalia to go to religious schools over there or spend holidays with the whole family in what they otherwise claim to be a dangeours place from which they had to escape.

Yet another example are those who come illegally and don't have any grounds for asylum - even those stay, especially if they are criminals - we are sooo bloody good here, we cannot return anyone to their own country if he is to be punished for a crime there!!!

So, whoever sets foot on European soil gets to stay. If we want to help, then some need to go back, we cannot keep on accepting more and more.

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Esr
FROM THE NEWSPAPER TODAY: 18th OCTOBER.
A 18-year-old woman was the night of Sunday suffered a rape attempt in a parking lot in Frederikshavn. North Jutland Police so are looking for the two men who stood behind.
The police received the complaint around 1 o'clock Sunday night.
The 18-year-old woman explained that she was around at 0:35 behind the restaurant "Two Step Up" in Frederikshavn had been accosted by two men when she was gone from the restaurant to get some fresh air.
The two men were very communicative, and when the young woman refused them, they took hold of her and dragged her across the parking lot behind the restaurant.
There she was kept and attempted rape.
The young woman cried out and were eventually kicked them off. Then she ran from the site and reported it to the police.
The two perpetrators men described as:
A: 25-30-year-old man. 180-185 centimeters tall, muscular, dark complexion, Middle Eastern appearance, with short, dark, curly hair, mustache on the upper lip and down to the chin. He was dressed in dark jogging pants and green t-shirt.
B: 18-23 year old male. 175-180 centimeters tall, average build, middle eastern appearance, with shoulder-length dark hair, a large, wide nose. He was wearing blue jeans and white t-shirt.

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Capricorn143
Related to the post above


11 asylum seekers from Afghanistan rape a 29 Swedish woman, mother of 2, in a 7 hour long marathon.

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Len05


I do think we miss more legal ways to get in.
I do think you need to have experience and understanding before you can become a citizen.
We have a problem of asylum seekers getting a sort of instant acces, or backdoor route compared to people we attract to work here in a company.

And we leave by that way our social system open for graps.

But you need to have a system that works. Putting them in a sort of camp for years is not a good plan. Telling them not to build or interact in society is not a good plan.

But like the afghani crowd that raped. they see non-muslim women as whores. they see our legal system as not divine like the sharia. slavery is acceptable by their beliefs. and even a sister is merchandise to trade with. and women can get married at 11 years old or die when they object.
It will be hard to secular apply law on barbaric men.

You can pick out these sick guys a bit more easy in advance.
In China they would be hanged

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Capricorn143


I completely agree with you. If we know what is wrong and what needs to be changed, how come our representatives (politicians) don'h it? Hmm they may have another agenda...If they do, it is so effing stupid and shortsighted, they are cutting off the hand that feeds them (no idea how to say it in English grin )

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Len05


I don't expect most people know what justice is or human laws.
Most people see the world from their perspective and never think about ethical topics.
If you ask: sharia law or secular justice, i think more humans would lean to secular justice on a gut feeling. (they would dislike sharia simply because they dislike muslim, the muslim would have the opposite bias)
You need to spell out the reasons for a retrial, why no torture allowed, no god wishes it crap, no witchburnings, protection of media, no condemnation with proven guilty, why we take asylum seekers, why we protect minorities, ...
We, in Europe, failed in giving these explanations to the people during their education. We need now to use the media to go against the gut feeling. which is a little too late.

I still hear people not understanding basic children"s rights.
So i agree with certain politician to abuse the peoples opinions.
I agree the politicians attitude to judge above the peoples head.

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Babbler
We have to admit the European civilians are taken hostage by their democratic governments!! They always wanted a "controlled immigration" to keep up their economies in order to sustain the models of a care state.
Now we see an organised and controlled immigration of well informed and instructed people and not by our governments! It is the final chapter of an Islamisation proces that started in the former century. In some European countries 1/5 is muslim.
They already have a state in a state. They have their own attorneys, doctors and other skilled craftworkers thanks to our educational system and...politicians who allowed it. They now have their own politicians, who have influenced the politics of our countries already. Up till now they respected our laws. But now it is time to respect the koran and to welcome their brothers and sisters of the same religion.
NO ONE WILL STOP THEM!!!
This can escalate and result in a call for a new extreme leadership. A leadership that can be a dictator with a totalitarian view to reforming.
In what it can end we all know. Do our politicians know it????
What can we do??

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DDawson59
The infiltration of immigrants is social manipulation by govt (global citizenship agenda) society is polite/tolerant of visitors. Once they are settled those who came will not assimilate BUT only take rape and committ atrocities. Society becomes burdened and thus chaos and solution: more police state controls. Enslavement of sheeple communities.

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EQandIQ2


thumbs up

How about organizing REFERENDUM in every coutry and start immediate general demonstrations in those countries where the govt is corrupted or coward untill the referendum will speak for itself?!

handshake

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Babbler
The situation becomes worser. today I saw on the tv journal thousands of "refugees" were facing the ice cold water when crossing a border river in order to reach Austria. They were brought there by.....buses and train !!! Incredible what they can stand in order to reach their goal. And that is not for rest and peace because in the East Europe is no war and is it safe .Secondly the meeting of Assad and Poetin. Two dangerous crooks. Now the Russian Airforce is bombing all rebellian groups. Assad wants all resistance to be broken and cleaned up. What does the international community? NOTHING. Why?? The answer must be found in the words "money, money". To much countries depend on their energy and raw materials from Russia. For Poetin it is his revenge on the EU for the boycot after the crash of FLIGHT MH17 in Ukraine. He tends to go to the bone. The world must feel who's the master. Third the attitude of the governments, quarreling as kids and punishing their people by rises of all kind of taxes or misguided savings. This is a risky business.
Referendums can not change that, only a revolution does. Is it worth it??

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derda
Yes the EU does NOTHING.- The've planned some conferences which will lead to nowhere...Next year this time, they won't have agreed on anything.
In my local Fitnesscenter are refugees...how comes they have 800.- for the membership....

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Capricorn143


Dear EQ, I wonder if a referendum would stop this madness. Many people simply do not want or cannot see the connection between their own social state and the number of people from completely different culture. The referendum question would have to be very clear, e.g.

Do you want migration from ME countries or do you want to keep the level of social benefits?

or
Do you want Muslim migrants to keep their customs or do you think the state should set clear requirements, tick the ones listed below:
a.
b.
.....

cheers peace

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Babbler
I heard on the news that in Austria , 12500 refugees stranded on a parking! A raft wit refugees on the Middetariann And they did not wait for the transport they just walked on, going further like lemmings on migration. More and more natives begin to react, in The Netherlands, Germany,Danemark,.. The problem is escalating. The refugee people are hardened as warriors by war. The only thing that can stop them is...violence not the weather!!. But who dares to use it? and will it stop the flood?? I believe most of the refugees try to reach their goal before the winter. Not because the weather but because they fear measurements from European countries during the winter. I doubt there will be ones.The Eastern EU countries transport the flood of refugees to the borders to get rid of the mass. Their payback for the boycot of Germany during the bank crisis?? I still believe this migration is an organised crime by the opponents of Europe's richness and freedom.
The protagonists you can see on the everydays journal.

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Babbler
addendum + correction:
A raft wit refugees on the Middetariann = .. A raft with refugees on the Mediterranean Sea with no motor and filled with Nigerians!! Set up by traffixers (smugglers of people); This are economical "refugees"!!.....

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Capricorn143
The cold river crossing was between Croatia and Slovenia. Croatia just tratnsports them near the border, their police tell them where the border is and they just go!

Only yesterday more than 12.000 crossed into the SLovenian territory. In terms of our population it is as if 1/2 mil entered Germany in one day!!!! Only about 6500 were then accepted into Austria. This is total chaos and no one wants to stop it.

WE ARE DOOMED!!!!

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derda
The EU is not able to react to anything. Probably after a atombomb on Paris they would gather for a conference!
Well it's Merkel's fault to welcome cheap workers on their own.

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