What do you think, do they take the work away? (15)
Lammycool: I know a lot of people, because I am a Truckdriver. I often have a small-talk and mostly it ends in a discussion. That discussion is about the work situation in the EU. Many say, it`s because of the Recession, but there are also some People which mean, it`s because of those which came of Countries, behind the ex iron curtain.(Like Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Poland etc.) Because they are "cheap manpower" and take our work away. Mostly I`ve heard it, in the UK and Spain. Also in Benelux-states and Germany as well.
Yes, they are chip and they take “your” jobs away: cleaners, taxi-drivers, the like. Have never heard about a guest-arbeiter from the countries you’ve mentioned, to take a place as a board member of some bank here in Sweden (perhaps it’s different in your country, can’t know). But I know that some native people here claim disability and sit on well fare just because they have no education to write home about, but don’t want to take dirty, low-paid jobs, or don’t want to relocate to places there job is, as they’ve grown up in their respectively beloved hick-towns and have relatives and friends there (yes, it works as reason here).
But I’ve got a question: has the subject some personal motif? Has someone taken your place from you? And what exactly it was, if I may ask?
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Hi Tulefel, of course you can ask :-). No, I have no personal motive. In my case, the company had closed, because of lack of orders. To many Frigo-trucks for less customers.
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Lammycool: I know a lot of people, because I am a Truckdriver. I often have a small-talk and mostly it ends in a discussion. That discussion is about the work situation in the EU. Many say, it`s because of the Recession, but there are also some People which mean, it`s because of those which came of Countries, behind the ex iron curtain.(Like Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Poland etc.) Because they are "cheap manpower" and take our work away. Mostly I`ve heard it, in the UK and Spain. Also in Benelux-states and Germany as well.
Yes they do take the jobs away. BUT, having worked in 3 of the above mentioned countries before and after the socalled EU membership, i can understand why. Here in Germany the problem isnt so much the czechs, romanians or bulgarians but the Russian-Germans. But that is another story and i wont be dragged into a discussion about them.
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Lammycool: I know a lot of people, because I am a Truckdriver. I often have a small-talk and mostly it ends in a discussion. That discussion is about the work situation in the EU. Many say, it`s because of the Recession, but there are also some People which mean, it`s because of those which came of Countries, behind the ex iron curtain.(Like Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Poland etc.) Because they are "cheap manpower" and take our work away. Mostly I`ve heard it, in the UK and Spain. Also in Benelux-states and Germany as well.
Got to talk to your beloved Members of the EU-Parliament!Don't take it out on the People.
Someone is making Money out of the deal,and it ain't you nor the Immigrants!
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Well, you got to put yourself in the position as an employer......
If I`m running a company, and I got mostly hick-town nose-pickers picking up big fat salaries for what they doing in my employ - sticking to their job descriptions otherwise standing around drinking coffee..... and along comes a foreign guy willing to work for lower wages, doing the job description, and in slow times still working pushing a broom around and cleaning toilets ....while they wait to do their job description. WHO`m I gonna prefer to employ?
I seeing quite a few unemployed people around, living on unemployment for the last 2 years because the job they seeking is not available .... only lesser style jobs requiring more elbow grease and activity ... and they go for psychiatric counselling for their low esteem and depression cause they cant handle not being in managerial positions - and still they prefer to take anti-depressent pills instead of actually doing work they too ashamed to be seen doing.
If I`m running a company, and I got mostly hick-town nose-pickers picking up big fat salaries for what they doing in my employ - sticking to their job descriptions otherwise standing around drinking coffee..... and along comes a foreign guy willing to work for lower wages, doing the job description, and in slow times still working pushing a broom around and cleaning toilets ....while they wait to do their job description. WHO`m I gonna prefer to employ?
I seeing quite a few unemployed people around, living on unemployment for the last 2 years because the job they seeking is not available .... only lesser style jobs requiring more elbow grease and activity ... and they go for psychiatric counselling for their low esteem and depression cause they cant handle not being in managerial positions - and still they prefer to take anti-depressent pills instead of actually doing work they too ashamed to be seen doing.
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smoky: Well, you got to put yourself in the position as an employer......
If I`m running a company, and I got mostly hick-town nose-pickers picking up big fat salaries for what they doing in my employ - sticking to their job descriptions otherwise standing around drinking coffee..... and along comes a foreign guy willing to work for lower wages, doing the job description, and in slow times still working pushing a broom around and cleaning toilets ....while they wait to do their job description. WHO`m I gonna prefer to employ?
I seeing quite a few unemployed people around, living on unemployment for the last 2 years because the job they seeking is not available .... only lesser style jobs requiring more elbow grease and activity ... and they go for psychiatric counselling for their low esteem and depression cause they cant handle not being in managerial positions - and still they prefer to take anti-depressent pills instead of actually doing work they too ashamed to be seen doing.
If I`m running a company, and I got mostly hick-town nose-pickers picking up big fat salaries for what they doing in my employ - sticking to their job descriptions otherwise standing around drinking coffee..... and along comes a foreign guy willing to work for lower wages, doing the job description, and in slow times still working pushing a broom around and cleaning toilets ....while they wait to do their job description. WHO`m I gonna prefer to employ?
I seeing quite a few unemployed people around, living on unemployment for the last 2 years because the job they seeking is not available .... only lesser style jobs requiring more elbow grease and activity ... and they go for psychiatric counselling for their low esteem and depression cause they cant handle not being in managerial positions - and still they prefer to take anti-depressent pills instead of actually doing work they too ashamed to be seen doing.
Hi Smoky
yeah thats the other side of the coin isnt it.
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Have been in Oslo for a couple of weeks ago, got to hear there that there’s no educated unemployment there. Of course, I asked to explain what “educated” means in the context, and got a definition with rather diffuse edges, but still… looks like the pattern is the same there: you’ve got an education – you have a job, well… especially if you accept a lower salary. But if you have no education and no lust to take a lower salary, then yes, you are out on the street in recession times, as there is someone else who is willing to get up at 4.00 in the morning for less pay.
By the way, I’m used to that it’s always everything wrong with Russians… You’ve made me curious: what’s wrong with Russian Germans?
By the way, I’m used to that it’s always everything wrong with Russians… You’ve made me curious: what’s wrong with Russian Germans?
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Capitalism huh.Filthy lucre an all that. Well its how we all live,tis the system which we all subscribe to and until somebody comes up with a better one that actually works its all we,ve got.
To function capitalism needs to buy cheap and sell expensive,or sell cheap but nuy even cheaper.Tis the differential between the two that matters.But don,t go thinking that all that bit in the middle is fat cat profit funding luxurious lifestyles.Been in business many years.You need to make a certain amount of profit just to not go backwards.So the enemy is not profit,tis excessive profit,that which is beyond reason and necessity.But don,t forget,profit can be put to good use in creating new opportunities for employment.
Tis a difficult balancing act because in fact nobody really ever knows exactly how much profit they need to make to keep going,they just know that they need to make it and tis better to make more than you need than less.
Now apart from greater labour mobility due to the dropping of frontiers,lots of companies these days contract work out,right out of their own country in fact.For example,British Telecom,amongst others, many years ago relocated their call centres to India.Lower economy,lower wages,bigger differential between income and outgoings,more profit.
We can blame the companies,we can blame the other workers....we should accept some of the blame ourselves.As individuals we all want the highest possible income with the lowest possible outgoings so that we too can go somewhere more exotic for our holidays.So in fact,we are all little self contained capitalists.Mitigating against the system is the plain and simple fact that high wages and low prices are totally incompatible.Of course this conundrum can be alleviated a little by lower (machine/mass production)costs,but this can only go so far.
We should also remember something (the Marxist leaning)Tony Wedgewood Benn was trying to tell us years ago,only to be labelled a loony (which he may well be,though I doubt it).The more widgets and grommets there are on the market the lower the buying price,stands to reason. TIS THE SAME WITH WORKERS,THE MORE OF THEM THAT THERE ARE THE LOWER THE BUYING PRICE(salary).
To be in a healthy state then,far from eradicating unemployment,capitalist systems actually need a pool of unemployed,cheap labour.If that cheap labour cannot be found at home then the companies will look abroad.
Of course,nobody in their right mind could wish for mass unemployment for that would bring the system crashing down.But we certainly need enough of it to control salaries.
Enough.Just remember that the next time you start shouting for a reduction in prices,you are in effect asking for folks to lose their jobs.
To function capitalism needs to buy cheap and sell expensive,or sell cheap but nuy even cheaper.Tis the differential between the two that matters.But don,t go thinking that all that bit in the middle is fat cat profit funding luxurious lifestyles.Been in business many years.You need to make a certain amount of profit just to not go backwards.So the enemy is not profit,tis excessive profit,that which is beyond reason and necessity.But don,t forget,profit can be put to good use in creating new opportunities for employment.
Tis a difficult balancing act because in fact nobody really ever knows exactly how much profit they need to make to keep going,they just know that they need to make it and tis better to make more than you need than less.
Now apart from greater labour mobility due to the dropping of frontiers,lots of companies these days contract work out,right out of their own country in fact.For example,British Telecom,amongst others, many years ago relocated their call centres to India.Lower economy,lower wages,bigger differential between income and outgoings,more profit.
We can blame the companies,we can blame the other workers....we should accept some of the blame ourselves.As individuals we all want the highest possible income with the lowest possible outgoings so that we too can go somewhere more exotic for our holidays.So in fact,we are all little self contained capitalists.Mitigating against the system is the plain and simple fact that high wages and low prices are totally incompatible.Of course this conundrum can be alleviated a little by lower (machine/mass production)costs,but this can only go so far.
We should also remember something (the Marxist leaning)Tony Wedgewood Benn was trying to tell us years ago,only to be labelled a loony (which he may well be,though I doubt it).The more widgets and grommets there are on the market the lower the buying price,stands to reason. TIS THE SAME WITH WORKERS,THE MORE OF THEM THAT THERE ARE THE LOWER THE BUYING PRICE(salary).
To be in a healthy state then,far from eradicating unemployment,capitalist systems actually need a pool of unemployed,cheap labour.If that cheap labour cannot be found at home then the companies will look abroad.
Of course,nobody in their right mind could wish for mass unemployment for that would bring the system crashing down.But we certainly need enough of it to control salaries.
Enough.Just remember that the next time you start shouting for a reduction in prices,you are in effect asking for folks to lose their jobs.
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gussi: Hi Smoky
yeah thats the other side of the coin isnt it.
yeah thats the other side of the coin isnt it.
Ja, there`s always two sides to the coin innit?In SA there was "no work" (meaning fat salaried jobs) Then down came the Zimbabweans ... they set up humble shop wherever they could find a vacant space ......doing things like shoe repairs, hairdressing, signwriting, manicures, sewing repairs, dressmaking, appliance repairs, whatever and wherever they found a few customers or service needed, oh and also ANY structured employment they could find ......they just wanted to actually work and make some bucks to be able to eat.
.... and WHAT happened?.... the locals began stoning and killing them because "they were taking away the jobs" ....!!!!!!
Problem as I see it is everyone has grand ideals about how much they`re worth, and wont work for less? (Cause they have a certain standard they HAVE to live up to) Then when others are willing to do the base work they get verbally stoned.... well not stoned, but you know what I mean huh?
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Many years ago the Fender guitar company started to lose a lot of business to cheap,but good quality,Japanese copies of the Fender product.Had this been allowed to go on unaddressed then there may well not have been any Fender company left. So Fender got canny.
"Hey guys,if the Japanese can copy us,well why can,t we copy us?"
Think this is called a business epiphany.So Fender set up a factory in Japan and began to copy themselves,that is to say,to make cheap(er)Japanese produced copies of the home grown American product. Now,like nall switched on companies,they just keep moving their production to wherever the econmy is lowest,Kore,Mexico....this is not fat cat greed,it is sound business practice and if it savesd Fender in America,well then it saved American jobs at Fender in America.
"Hey guys,if the Japanese can copy us,well why can,t we copy us?"
Think this is called a business epiphany.So Fender set up a factory in Japan and began to copy themselves,that is to say,to make cheap(er)Japanese produced copies of the home grown American product. Now,like nall switched on companies,they just keep moving their production to wherever the econmy is lowest,Kore,Mexico....this is not fat cat greed,it is sound business practice and if it savesd Fender in America,well then it saved American jobs at Fender in America.
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God bless America,god bless Fender.
Oftaeat.
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Elley: Many years ago the Fender guitar company started to lose a lot of business to cheap,but good quality,Japanese copies of the Fender product.Had this been allowed to go on unaddressed then there may well not have been any Fender company left. So Fender got canny.
"Hey guys,if the Japanese can copy us,well why can,t we copy us?"
Think this is called a business epiphany.So Fender set up a factory in Japan and began to copy themselves,that is to say,to make cheap(er)Japanese produced copies of the home grown American product. Now,like nall switched on companies,they just keep moving their production to wherever the econmy is lowest,Kore,Mexico....this is not fat cat greed,it is sound business practice and if it savesd Fender in America,well then it saved American jobs at Fender in America.
"Hey guys,if the Japanese can copy us,well why can,t we copy us?"
Think this is called a business epiphany.So Fender set up a factory in Japan and began to copy themselves,that is to say,to make cheap(er)Japanese produced copies of the home grown American product. Now,like nall switched on companies,they just keep moving their production to wherever the econmy is lowest,Kore,Mexico....this is not fat cat greed,it is sound business practice and if it savesd Fender in America,well then it saved American jobs at Fender in America.
Excellento Idea Elley, ... So.... I copy van Gogh and then someone copies my copies of van Gogh and someone copies the copies of my copies of van Gogh and then someone copies the copies of the copies of the copies of copies of van Gogh ....... and we all get to eat a bowl of rice a day! I think I gonna train my granson to copy Mick Jagger ......well anyway that guy who copies Mick Jagger .....
Excuse me now ... I got toilets to go clean...... so I can make my payments on the Ferarri .....
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smoky: Excellento Idea Elley, ... So.... I copy van Gogh and then someone copies my copies of van Gogh and someone copies the copies of my copies of van Gogh and then someone copies the copies of the copies of the copies of copies of van Gogh ....... and we all get to eat a bowl of rice a day! I think I gonna train my granson to copy Mick Jagger ......well anyway that guy who copies Mick Jagger .....
Excuse me now ... I got toilets to go clean...... so I can make my payments on the Ferarri .....
Thought you were getting a SMUSTANG!Excuse me now ... I got toilets to go clean...... so I can make my payments on the Ferarri .....
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Yes the workers from the former soviet satellites are cheaper and yes they drive down wages across Europe, and that makes more profits for the owners of businesses.
By first making those countries very poor through communism, and then releasing the poor workers to flood the economies of Europe, the middle class is being destroyed. Leaving only the rich and the poor working class.
Of course the result will be civil unrest, but they have plenty of police and soldiers to contain that.
Their plan was written out long ago.
"By greatly increasing the military and the police forces, there will be nothing left in any state of the world other than ourselves, the masses of the working class, a few millionaires subverted to our interests, and a lot of police and soldiers."
By first making those countries very poor through communism, and then releasing the poor workers to flood the economies of Europe, the middle class is being destroyed. Leaving only the rich and the poor working class.
Of course the result will be civil unrest, but they have plenty of police and soldiers to contain that.
Their plan was written out long ago.
"By greatly increasing the military and the police forces, there will be nothing left in any state of the world other than ourselves, the masses of the working class, a few millionaires subverted to our interests, and a lot of police and soldiers."
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We all just have to remember that we are all in the labour pool and the devil takes the hindmost.We live in a culture of blame (I,m as bad as everyone else)but at some point we have to say to ourselves " this is the problem for me,what can I do about it for me ? I can re-train,move area...whatever it takes.As long as I am flexible and open minded and have clear ideas I can sort it out for me." This may sound selfish,but I can,t change the world all on my own,I can,t(much as I,d like to)re-organise the world around my needs and desires.So if I can,t change the world,I can at least try to change me.
Remember...
God, help me to accept the things I cannot change and to change the things I cannot accept.....
Remember...
God, help me to accept the things I cannot change and to change the things I cannot accept.....
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