RE: Changing someones opinion... in CS

I see what you did there. giggle

RE: We lost another one...

He said a number of times that he had a plot for his burial with his wife and also something about a certain kind of tree being planted there.

May he rest, reunited and finally at peace.

RE: Changing someones opinion... in CS

Name calling, or being told you lack intelligence is not a challenge to your argument, or opinion.

It's most frequently an act of frustration. hmmm

RE: Changing someones opinion... in CS

It's not about changing someone else's opinion.

It's about developing your own.

You progress little if you only spend time with people who agree with your every word, or you theirs because no new information is introduced.

When people challenge you, no matter how reasoned, or ridiculous, it inspires you to research and to well-thought presentation of a counter-argument.


Although once in a while, someone may present an argument so accurate and persuasive that there is a dramatic shift in your perspective.

That can be an exquisite experience.

RE: WTF like

Why do you think Huzma Yousef's (edited) speech is rhetorical?

RE: Speed dating

You utter snob, Ninurta. laugh

I can't spell for toffee. dunno

RE: Speed dating

That's the advantage of speed dating, I imagine.

You've only got time to reveal your name and rank. giggle

RE: Speed dating

If the organiser does get back to you, perhaps they could put women who have expressed an interest in touch with each other.

That way you could meet up first, park next to each other and have someone to debrief with afterwards.

Talking about the experience surely has to be half the fun of it. dunno

RE: Hospice...

I'm sorry to hear that, Chat.

Particularly for your niece.

hug

RE: Speed dating

Yeah, it's probably not a good idea to meet a bunch of strangers and announce you're now walking back to your car on your own...and then repeat that action several weeks running.

Otherwise, it sounds like fun.

RE: Not a terrorist act

Maybe I was offline, or doing something else when that blog was in the top ten of the list.

If you cite the link for the blog, I'll have a look at it.
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RE: Not a terrorist act

Well said, Joanie. handshake
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RE: God Bless the USA! Court Lowers Trump Bond From $464 Million to $175 Million. Due in 10 days.

I'm sorry, I momentarily forgot you think women deserve to be beaten at times.

I should have known fraud and deception committed by an adjudicated rapist aren't going to register on your moral compass.

You can go back to making up stories to feel better about yourself, now.

There's no need to worry your little head about real things, like judgement orders in the public domain and what's actually going on under your little nose.
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RE: God Bless the USA! Court Lowers Trump Bond From $464 Million to $175 Million. Due in 10 days.

What part of fraud being against the law do you not understand?

Is it why deceptive business practise is against the law?
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RE: God Bless the USA! Court Lowers Trump Bond From $464 Million to $175 Million. Due in 10 days.

*lesson

RE: God Bless the USA! Court Lowers Trump Bond From $464 Million to $175 Million. Due in 10 days.

Hiya Snowy. wave

According to the order, Letitia James applied for 'monetary penalties and injunctive relief'.

The 'injunctive relief' are the sanctions against him: losing his business licence for three years, not being able to apply to certain lenders, the imposition of an independent monitor, etc. This is to stop him from continuing his fraudulent behaviour, it provides some time to sort out his sorry mess (Barbara Jones continues to find discrepancies) and I'm pretty sure Trump will see it as a punishment.

I haven't read the whole 92 page order yet, but so far I've found nothing there, or even in the media that suggests any of the 'monetary penalty' is punitive.

$354.9M is disgorgement.

$110M is interest because Trump wanted a trial rather than admit his fraud and because he delayed paying the bond to appeal.

In other words, if you thieve $10 out of the till, you pay back $10 plus interest and lose your job.

What Ozzie is suggesting is that you thieve $10 out of the till, you pay back 3 cents and get a pat on the back for learning your lessen.
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RE: God Bless the USA! Court Lowers Trump Bond From $464 Million to $175 Million. Due in 10 days.

CONTINUED


The word
“fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device,
scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation,
concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or
unconscionable contractual provisions. This defines the word 'fraud' in the context of the statute. It clearly refers to a device like inflating/deflating property value for financial gain as well as many other devices. It's both precise and broad in the net it throws out to capture business deception.


The term “persistent fraud”
or “illegality” as used herein shall include continuance or carrying
on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term “repeated”
as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct
fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one
person. More definitions for clarity. This statute isn't for one off boo boo's.


Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies
recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or
state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be
subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law." As long as there isn't another law that says something different, any money awarded to the attorney general (or other official involved in the application) from the fraudulent person(s)/business can be seized from their assets if they fail to pay.

Is that a bit clearer? laugh
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RE: God Bless the USA! Court Lowers Trump Bond From $464 Million to $175 Million. Due in 10 days.

From the order: the order that Judge Engoron wrote and I cited twice in this blog.

" Executive Law § 63(12) now reads as follows: in the order Judge Engoron describes the history and evolution of the statute and what it now states.

Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal
acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the
carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, When someone commits persistent fraud...

the attorney
general may apply… for an order enjoining the continuance of such
business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts,...the attorney general can apply for an order that commands...

directing
restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any
certificate ...the fraud to pay back the money, pay for any harm done and if appropriate, stop that person from conducting business by revoking their licence.

filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four
hundred forty of the former penal law or section one hundred thirty
of the general business law, These are the bits of law that say the attorney general can do the above.

and the court may award the relief
applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper. The judge will then review the attorney general's application and award the amount of money/sanctions that they think is reasonable from within that application.

Nota bene, Judge Engoron didn't award everything that AG James applied for, just most of it.
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RE: Is the real truth being hidden?

I don't recall 'butting heads'.

I do recall trying to save you from yourself and I've often felt sorry for you because I thought you had too low an IQ to understand your misogyny.

I see from this post above that you're smart enough.

There is no great mystery here. Women don't like you and that's why they don't want to have sex with you.

It's got nothing to do with looks, or how much money you have, or the size of your p*nis.

It's because you spend your time watching rubbish on the internet where unscrupulous people make a living from telling you what you want to hear - there's nothing you can do to change, your looks, your income and the size of your p*nis are all fixed; it's us nasty women who need to change our bad ways and give you the sex you think you're owed for no other reason than you're a man.


It seems like men even pay to hear what they want to hear so they can blame women for being unreasonable for not wanting to have sex with them.

Johnny, those women being interviewed are paid actors. That crap you're watching is an industry that preys on men like you that women don't like.

They feed you stuff that makes you more unlikeable so you keep coming back for more lessons on how to be a loser that no woman will touch.

The reality is, when men are kind and generous with nothing but themselves, we women are actually pretty easy. And vice versa.

That's the truth and there's bugger all hidden about it.

RE: Is the real truth being hidden?

If you're wondering why you're not getting any, Johnny, it's because you fall for that sexist shite on the internet that blames women for everything.

No amount of c*ck can compensate for a bitter and twisted c*nt like you.

Just satin'.

RE: God Bless the USA! Court Lowers Trump Bond From $464 Million to $175 Million. Due in 10 days.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you really not understand how Trump's fraudulent behaviour was a breach of Executive Law § 63(12)?
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RE: God Bless the USA! Court Lowers Trump Bond From $464 Million to $175 Million. Due in 10 days.

From the order:

" Executive Law § 63(12) now reads as follows:
Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal
acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the
carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney
general may apply… for an order enjoining the continuance of such
business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing
restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any
certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four
hundred forty of the former penal law or section one hundred thirty
of the general business law, and the court may award the relief
applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper. The word
“fraud” or “fraudulent” as used herein shall include any device,
scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation,
concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or
unconscionable contractual provisions. The term “persistent fraud”
or “illegality” as used herein shall include continuance or carrying
on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term “repeated”
as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct
fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one
person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies
recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or
state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be
subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law."

It's not shrewd business practises, it's fraud as you can see from the statute under which Trump et al were adjudicated liable.

No, in the interests of equalityjustice should follow the evidence equally.

Nobody says that individual murderers shouldn't tried because other murderers aren't being tried at the same time.

Nobody says an individual murderer is being unfairly singled out if they are successfully prosecuted.

Nobody say every person should be investigated for murder if one person is, just make it fair.

Your argument is entirely specious. People should be investigated and prosecuted on the basis of evidence, of which the prosecution had plenty in this case.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or do you really not understand how Trump's fraudulent behaviour was a breach of Executive Law § 63(12)?
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RE: God Bless the USA! Court Lowers Trump Bond From $464 Million to $175 Million. Due in 10 days.

How do you know they've gone after him unfairly if you never look into anything?



Okay, so Trump over-inflated the value of his properties.

For example, he said Mar-a-Largo was a social venue, rather than a residential property. All these things made Mar-a-Largo less valuable ($18-27M) so he paid less property tax.

When it came to getting loans, all of a sudden Mar-a-Largo is not only valued as if it was a home, but it was valued as if he could develop the land and build lots more homes on it (hence his claims it's worth a billion, or more.)

The banks did a certain amount of due diligence, but didn't take his business apart like a fraud investigation. They missed much of the fraud and offered Trump loans at favourable rates because he appeared to have so much to sell if he couldn't pay back the loan.

Had the banks known the full extent of the truth, they perhaps wouldn't have loaned him as much as they did and it would have been at a much higher interest rate. The favourable loan terms received meant that Trump profited more than if he'd not committed fraud.

Also, having received these loans, Trump developed other properties from which he could profit. Had he not received the loans fraudulently, he wouldn't have been able to do that.

That's just one example of what Trump did fraudulently. Judge Engoron's summary judgement was based on the maths (Mar-a-Largo valued at $18M in one set of official documents and $1B+ in another, for example.) Letitia James put so much documentary evidence in front of him, he was able to say there was widespread fraud within the Trump Organisation over a 10-15 year period.

The $354.9M original amount is just the excess money Trump gained by lying. The extra $110M is interest accrued during and after the trial. Had he admitted the fraud before it went to trial and paid the bond immediately after he wouldn't have accrued all that interest.
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RE: God Bless the USA! Court Lowers Trump Bond From $464 Million to $175 Million. Due in 10 days.

How much of the $464M is a fine?

I haven't seen anything to suggest it's not a disgorgement order (plus interest) in it's entirety. dunno
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RE: The 'worm moon' lunar eclipse...

Thanks for sharing your photos, Rob.

They've made my day. hug

RE: How Trump is following Hitlers playbook

Is that all you've got?

Again?

Mind, when you support an adjudicated rapist, it's jolly difficult rationally defending the indefensible.
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RE: How Trump is following Hitlers playbook

I realise you don't care and think it's irrelevant that Robert Reich is Jewish.

That's because you have no understanding of how being Jewish is relevant when evaluating the socio-political dynamic in the US and how it is relevant to your crass suggestion that it's Reich who is a Nazi.

Hitler's playbook is quite literally embedded in our genes and we recognise the same stories told to us as children by the survivors (our parents) with what is in front of us now.

It's clear you don't recognise Hitler's playbook in Trump's actions because you didn't respond to the question in my last comment.

I'm afraid you can't claim that white. male, Christian conservatives are the persecuted minority when not only are they the ones who are in power regardless of who you vote for, but that the constitution was created by the very same largely in their own interests.

It's not the non-MAGA element who have relegated women to breeding mares (Mutterkreuz anyone?).

It's not the non-Maga element who wanted to strip Muslim Americans of their citizenship, deport Muslim people and stop people from Muslim countries entering the US (as Hitler did with the Jewish people).

It's not the non-MAGA element who wanted to shoot BLM protesters in the legs (as Hitler had the Resistance shot in the streets like dogs, likely including my grandfather.)

It's not the non-MAGA element who want to strip LGBTQ+ people of their human rights (as Hitler did even with their rights to liberty and life.)

It's not the non-MAGA element who came up with Jewish space lasers starting forest fires (as Hitler blamed the Jewish people for all ills however ridiculous and fantastical.)

It's not the non-MAGA element who blame anti-fascists for their own fascism (as Hitler did when the Reichstag was burned.)

It's not the non-MAGA element who disparages the differently abled (as Hitler so famously did.)
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RE: How Trump is following Hitlers playbook

Uh huh.

Of course that was the irony, not you mis-translating the German, or accusing a Jewish man of Nazism in order to support your favourite adjudicated rapist, fraud and insurrectionist who wanted to strip Muslim Americans of the citizenship.

Now what does that remind you of?

Anybody...?
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RE: How Trump is following Hitlers playbook

Reich is a fairly common name amongst Ashkenazi Jewish people, the adjective meaning 'rich', as in 'a wealthy and powerful man'.

That's different from the noun 'Reich' meaning 'empire'.

Perhaps the irony is your ignorant assumption.
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RE: How Trump is following Hitlers playbook

It was the Jewish space lasers that are to blame, I tell ya.

They fry everyone's brains and only the the superior, real American patriots (who just happen to be white) can resist such evil doings.

Keep doing your star jumps, Chancer. joy
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