RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

@ merlot

Also, my above comment, is not meant to imply that I consider myself somehow more intelligent than you (I don't, and every body has their own unique intelligence); however, you are Still misunderstanding, the concept of Occam's Razor!

A presence of a god, is not required to either begin the universe, OR allow it to continue to operate.

The laws of physics, are necessary, and sufficient, within themselves, for that..

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

@ merlot

I'm also a decent bloke. I have thought long and hard about this question. I have a tertiary mathematics background. And I, have a fair grasp, of the concepts involved.

You are unlikely to change my views, since I have been an Atheist, since I was 7 or 8 years old. I cannot recall, Ever having believed in a god. At (or about) that age, I used to ponder such questions, as: What is at the boundary of the Universe? And things like: Does light have weight?

Please feel free to add comments. I will read them, and respond, at some point. I will consider your view point; however, you are very unlikely to change mine.

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When I say "many" do this, I should correct this, by saying "some" (a minority)

However.....The type of blogs; to which you refer, is in fact: Many.....
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RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

And by the way, if my Juditious and very moderate, use of uppercase letters (to emphasize certain words)..is "yelling"..then you should take a good hard look at yourself. You may be acquiring the characteristics of an over-sensitive Snowflake.....

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

@ merlot

Why am I "yelling" at you?, why do you describe (my descriptions) of the fundamentals of our Universe/s as "yelling"?...I find that descriptor to be completely bizarre, actually...


Anyway....As you should know, by now...

Google is your friend

Look at the results, for the search term

Quantum Loop Gravity





professor

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

"Because of Gravity, the Universe Can, and Will, Create itself out of Nothing"

Steven Hawking

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

So believing in God, saves you from what?

Doing the Hard (and Extremely Unpopular Work), of Thinking For Yourself!!!

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

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RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

I'd there, then, an infinite procession of gods out there, one in turn "making" the next?

And IF so, who "began' (or made the 'original' god?)


confused

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

@ Merlot

NO, You are just SUGGESTING he made it

Once again, we have the fly in the ointment, (which is God)

Well, I would ask you, who made god? Is then an infinite "precession" of gods (one in turn, making the next?

And if he made the earth 6000 years ago; what was he doing the rest of the time?



dunno

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

@ galrads

Saves you from what?

Probably, from having to do the hard work; of actually thinking for Yourself

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

We are talking about any and all Gods which have ever been speculated to exist; there is simply no place, for them

When the Higgs Boson particle was discovered (necessary for things to have mass); it was dubbed the "God Particle"; but this is Only a Name! I called also call it the "icecream particle" (if I so wished; and it would effectively define the same thing). At the end of the day; it is just another subatomic particle..

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

@ merlot

I'm sorry to have to tell you, that you have a complete misunderstanding of the concept of Occam's Razor. A system only requires the Absolute Minimum in order to function.

Think:

E = mC^2

An entity called "god" is superfluous to requirements

Look at the fundamental equations of physics; (both at the very large; and very small levels)

Do you see a component, or variable, within these equations, to "factor in" or symbolise god?

No you don't!

Yet, we are here, aren't we?

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

By the way; if you are interested in these ideas, there is plenty of YouTube material out there. Sometimes, it is simplified, for the layman, so that you don't need a PhD to understand it

professor

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

Mindbending stuff, isn't it?

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

Occam's razor says only the bare minimum is required, in order, for a system to function, and hence a god is not required, and that God is superfluous. The system exists without it. Maybe there is only matter and energy?

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

In Space Time, time is an integral fabric, which may be warped in different directions, depending on the velocity of objects, and the gravity, between them

Our universe is postulated to contain dark matter, and dark energy. These are thought to drive the ever increasing expansion of our universe; however, at this stage, Physicists, and Cosmologists, cannot define these things

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

In Einstein's relatively, a effect may precede a cause, depending on the position of the "observer"
And this ties into what I have said above.

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

Is an afterlife, possible, for atheists? It actually may be, in the Atheist School of Buddhism.

I have thought about this question. If death, results in oblivion; then I don't see a problem with that. The reason, for this is very simple. No one would Know Anything About it !!!

Effectively, they would fall, into a dreamless sleep, and not wake up, senses would cease, and the person would be unaware of anything; hence they would, have no further problems, of any kind

If an afterlife exists, it is probably in the form of a godless reincarnation. But why on this Earth? Why, for that matter, even in this universe?

Quantum physics, and cosmology, speak of a Multiverse. Effectively an infinite number of universes are generated; and these are separated by vast voids of space (or "oceans of infinity"). The multiverse theory speaks of infinite copies of a person's "self" which exist in each "universe" and every conceivable action, or fate of a person a played out, in these Infinite Universes. Quantum copies of a person exist simultaneously, in each of these Universes, AND, moreover, they exist in the "here and now'. A person may be in two, three, or even many places at once. Things can happen simultaneously, and time may move forwards, and backwards; or time (itself), may be an illusion

If this is the case; then we are all living in a vast Quantum Matrix
And there is a Universal Quantum Wave Function, for the entire universe (or multiverse). Multiple copies of ourselves, exist somewhere; and things are governed by a type of synchronicity

Ever had a sense of Deja vu? This may be a manifestation of the above..

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

@ crown affair

Well hopefully others here can appreciate that we are all different, regarding beliefs.

Would it be a fair thing to say; that just (because) there has, been, pretty well, 2700 gods, (since Man's inception, as an intelligent being); that he has had More than a Little Trouble Making his Mind Up Over the Years???

dunno

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

And so the circituitous argument continues. As I was saying, (on the other blog), I have only been trying, best as I can to explain my philosophy, and why I hold the beliefs that I do.

As far, as I see it, ONLY man can save himself. As for me, there is no extraneous 'higher power'

Hence the Onus of Responsibility For his Own Actions; falls upon Man Himself...

And on no one else..

Why is this so difficult, for (some), here to accept???

dunno

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

I would also ask this god personage, (at this point, in time); to NOT allow deletion of valid counter arguments; as to his/her/it's existence

(I would surely do that)

"A little poison, now and then, makes for an agreeable life. A great deal, at the end, for an agreeable death"

- Nietzsche

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

If I ever have to front up to this God personage (in whom I don't; believe); I will say:

"Surely God, you can forgive me for being sceptical?"


wave

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

Sorry if all of that is a bit repitious. I'm on my phone, with my reading glasses, and I have had a few drinks at the pub!

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

The point is; that belief in a god/s, is a never ending circular argument. No one can ever 'win', this argument; because; to get to the bottom of it; we simply Do Not Know..

As far as I can make sense of this life; beliefs are a personal thing. Really another person; should not infringe on another person's RIGHT, to believe what they wish to believe; provided they are not purposely hurting others

Arguments get heated, at times here; but the good thing is that we can go away, and cool down.

I have seen too much mayhem, in this life, when I was young. Because, of this; I find belief in a God that "looks after us all" to be a very difficult thing to accept.

To each their own. In my case, I feel that Atheism is the best 'fit', for me personally

A popular misconception, in religious people, is that Atheists, (somehow), do not have a "conscience" but I can assure you all, (in most cases), nothing could be further from the truth.

Atheists are human beings, too. Just because we cannot bring ourselves to believe in a "diety" does not mean we are freewheeling people, who care not about our fellow human beings.

At the end of the day. A belief in God/s is a personal matter.

To be honest, based on what I have seen of this world, I cannot reconcile the idea that there is a kind of "benevolent being" that looks after all of humanity, (or even those who fervently believe).

To me this makes no sense. I hope I have, maybe, explained things a bit better. I have thought long and hard about these things (believe it, it not); since I was 7 or 8 years old.

The best fit for my belief system, happens to be Atheism. I cannot ever recall having believed in a God or God/s.

The way I see it, there is too much mayhem, and random cruelty in the world; for me to have (ever) have thought a "divine being" somehow looks after us

Hence, for me; the best "belief system" is Atheism

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

A small typo, in there, but I do presuppose, that all of you can read, at a basic level..


wave

RE: Believing in God saves you? From what?

So get over it !!!

We are Atheists, we are out there; and our opinions count Just As Much as Anyone Else Here !!!


Just because we don't believe in a Big Invisible Man in The Sky; Does Not Make us Lesser People !!!

And just to allay all of your "concerns for my soul" I must say that, "Yes, Most of us Atheists DO have a co conscience"...


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